Pharmacists not dispensing methadone to junkies.

Degsy

patrickc2006 wrote: »

from active users i hear that the buzz is so good, it's like being on another planet and they just have to get that feeling again..

they dont "have to" do anything..they do it because they cant handle not having that buzz.Tough titty i say,i like having orgasms but i dont mug pensioners to buy porno mags.

Nevyn

You are right desgy that some of them can't face the process of getting clean and straight because it is not just about the physical withdrawal but a change in thinking and they have to face up to the type of person they are, completely and honestly and then start to make changes. A lot of the hard core junkies that I would know ( be it drugs or work or alcohol ) are all trying to escape from themselves and the pain of jonesing for a fix and the distraction of looking for the next hit or high is the same as a cutter, it distracts them from their mental and emotional issues.

Dudess

But it's not just about getting that great sensation again, isn't withdrawal supposed to be absolutely unbearable?

Degsy

Dudess wrote: »

But it's not just about getting that great sensation again, isn't withdrawal supposed to be absolutely unbearable?

They dont have to let themselves get to that stage,its thier choice.Withdrawal is pretty bad but they should remind themselves that death by septaceamia or AIDS is worse.

Terry

With regards to the generic drugs vs brand names, I've often been given the generic brand of my medication and it is the exact same. Some of the pills are even made in the same factory.

Yellow pack FTW.

hopalong85

oneeyedsnake wrote: »

People working for chains earn 80k max,what type of house is this going to get you?

A very nice house.

halfinch

Mordeth wrote: »

don't be ridiculous wertz, people who take drugs aren't people.

People who are taking herion are not all people who have placed themselves in this position. If a child grows up in a house when herion is taken by both parents and it seems completely natural to the child is it the childs fault if it grows up a heroin addict??Of course not.Those who are part of 'normal society' have been told the difference between right and wrong. If we were never taught these by anyone how is it the persons fault for not knowing. Herion is a way of life for some people and if they have taken the time to decide to come off methodone whould be made available to them. Although I do agree that 7 years is absultely ridiculous.....

Degsy

halfinch wrote: »

People who are taking herion are not all people who have placed themselves in this position. If a child grows up in a house when herion is taken by both parents and it seems completely natural to the child is it the childs fault if it grows up a heroin addict??Of course not.Those who are part of 'normal society' have been told the difference between right and wrong. If we were never taught these by anyone how is it the persons fault for not knowing. Herion is a way of life for some people and if they have taken the time to decide to come off methodone whould be made available to them. Although I do agree that 7 years is absultely ridiculous.....

Well in that case the children should be taken from the parents before they've a chance to start copying them.

bleg

Terry wrote: »

With regards to the generic drugs vs brand names, I've often been given the generic brand of my medication and it is the exact same.

of course they are, they might be a different shape, colour or texture but the people that make the drug are subject to the exact same regulations as the companies that first produced the drug.

jrbpharm

hse promised loads of things to pharmacists in the dispensing of metahdone

the promised hepatitis vaccines to all pharmacy staff working with methadone clients and the pharmacists
a garda liasion officer
a grant to improve the pharmacy security system

pharmacis have been held up with knives to their neck and guns to their head

the hse have delivered none of these yet are paying gardi overtime to guard the metahdone clinics this week!!!

enough is enough

Degsy

jrbpharm wrote: »

hse promised loads of things to pharmacists in the dispensing of metahdone

the promised hepatitis vaccines to all pharmacy staff working with methadone clients and the pharmacists
a garda liasion officer
a grant to improve the pharmacy security system

pharmacis have been held up with knives to their neck and guns to their head

the hse have delivered none of these yet are paying gardi overtime to guard the metahdone clinics this week!!!

enough is enough

The state should stop dispensing methadone altogether and concentrate on getting the junkies off the streets.The taxpayer shouldnt have to pay for extra guards to stop these scumbags running amok and chemists shouldnt have to put up with being robbed at knifepoint either.And junkies are looking for sympathy??

Dudess

Degsy wrote: »

Well in that case the children should be taken from the parents before they've a chance to start copying them.

Well yes, but what if they're not (as seems to be usually the case)? It's harsh then to have little or no sympathy for a junkie who's the child of a junkie.

Degsy

Dudess wrote: »

Well yes, but what if they're not (as seems to be usually the case)? It's harsh then to have little or no sympathy for a junkie who's the child of a junkie.

Ah c'cmon..its not like the kids start shooting up when thye're in nappies.They dont start doing it till they're in thier teens by which time its thier own choice.Junkies should be sterilised anyway.

Dudess

What about babies born with a heroin dependency? Are they always taken off the mother?

Degsy

Dudess wrote: »

What about babies born with a heroin dependency? Are they always taken off the mother?

I dont know go and ask one of them!

Dudess

My point is that some heroin addicts deserve a degree of compassion.

logic

The main theme from this thread seems to be all methdone users are junkie scumbags. Its funny that people with no experience or indepth knowledge of this lifestyle have such strong and harsh opinions (these people on jury duty is a scary thought). There is a difference between a scumbag with no morals and a person who has a drug problem.

Methadone is a program for users who want don't want to use anymore. It kills most of the effect of heroin. The withdrawl can be harder than a heroin withdrawl. Its a step towards getting clean, one of the two available options.

Methadone is prescribed as a painkiller in the US, not sure if it was prescribed this way here.

togster

A Jaysus Degsy wuld ya get of the high horse you are on. This isn't a cut and dry issue. "Choice" is a word bandied about by your good-self alot. Sure it was their choice to get involved in it. Im not going to argue the socio-economic reasons a person might turn into a junkie but i have seen people on heroin, coming of herion etc etc, and its terrible. I don't think we can understand that feeling. The way you feel about the peoblem is felt by alot of people sometime i do to. But just because you think a certain way doesn't make it right.

liamoh

Firstly chemists do not dispense pharmacists do and in your few mispelled lines you conveyed a vague understanding of the methadone scheme, pharmacists are repectable members of society and experts when it comes to medicines, please do not insult the profession.

Although the pharmacist is a member of the healthcare service, he cannot live in an environment where he is constantly under threat and where his security and welfare is at risk. The HSE blame the pharmacists for targeting the weak members of society but the same could be said for pharmacists as the weak members of the health service. The HSE escalated the general public perception that pharmacists only care about profit, and yet no amount of money can compensate for the fear and anxiety that they are forced to endure on a daily basis. Over 230 Irish pharmacists have been attacked in the past three years. It is obvious that the pharmacists are being forced to bear the brunt of the drug problem in Ireland, and that the HSE is failing to support them. It appears to have slipped peoples minds that the reason this scheme is administered through pharmacies is that communities did not want methadone clinics in their localities. It was the pharmacists who stepped in and helped the HSE by successfully delivering this scheme ever since. The HSE instead of supporting and helping the pharmacists in their endeavour have consistently ignored concerns raised by pharmacists in relation to safety and security issues.

And once again i don't know of course what employment you are in but jealously has obviously warped your views, try to be more unbiased in future.

humbert

I could almost hear the shovel cutting into the soil with each line.

liamoh

i'll take that as a complement!

Degsy

liamoh wrote: »

i'll take that as a complement!

I'll take that as a complIment!

sunnyjim

liamoh wrote:

Over 230 Irish pharmacists have been attacked in the past three years. It is obvious that the pharmacists are being forced to bear the brunt of the drug problem in Ireland

Get real.

230 in 3 years is fuch all.

I'm sure about 230 gardai are assaulted a week. 230 people are probably mugged every month.

I'm sure the manager of the local bookies, centra etc have to deal with the same assualts. I pity them, because they are not coming away with a 6 digit salary.

Degsy

sunnyjim wrote: »

Get real.

230 in 3 years is fuch all.

I'm sure about 230 gardai are assaulted a week. 230 people are probably mugged every month.

I'm sure the manager of the local bookies, centra etc have to deal with the same assualts. I pity them, because they are not coming away with a 6 digit salary.

If they pharmacists are living in such panic fear they could refuse to dispense MDA prescriptions,but they do,because thats where the money is and they dont give a damn about the neighbourhoods thye set up.One example was Popintree neighbourhood centre,the whole idea was to regenerate the area and try to attract new people into the area..what happens?A dispensing pharmacy arrives and promptly begins advertyising the fact that they fill "ALL prescriptions".This was a blatent atempt to advertise to junkies that they can get their methadone in the shop.If they get held up,they've only themselves to blame.

liamoh

sunnyjim wrote: »

Get real.

230 in 3 years is fuch all.

I'm sure about 230 gardai are assaulted a week. 230 people are probably mugged every month.

I'm sure the manager of the local bookies, centra etc have to deal with the same assualts. I pity them, because they are not coming away with a 6 digit salary.

Not really, the pharmacists are very vunerable, as methadone is similar to opioid drugs, the fact that most pharmacies are small and due to the HSE lack of funding are unprotected and because there in a more probable position to be targeted by drug addicts than gardai or employees of centra.

liamoh

Degsy wrote: »

If they pharmacists are living in such panic fear they could refuse to dispense MDA prescriptions,but they do,because thats where the money is and they dont give a damn about the neighbourhoods thye set up.One example was Popintree neighbourhood centre,the whole idea was to regenerate the area and try to attract new people into the area..what happens?A dispensing pharmacy arrives and promptly begins advertyising the fact that they fill "ALL prescriptions".This was a blatent atempt to advertise to junkies that they can get their methadone in the shop.If they get held up,they've only themselves to blame.

pharmacists do not make any profit from the methadone scheme it is sold at a loss, especially considering the robberies caused by the scheme.

The HSE was supposed to provide centres but it not and left individual pharmacists to dispense methdone themselves.

If this pharmacy did dispense methadone it was in order to help the sufferers of opioid dependence and I do noty believe htat their benevelonce should be considered their fault. Being targeted by drug dealers is not something anybody would willingly signed up for not even for the exagerrated amount the media claims the pharmacists make.

sunnyjim

WHAT?! MORE LIKELY THAN A GARDA? Tell that one to your local super, and see how long it takes to react to your next 'inevitable' robbery... (5 days I bet)

What country are you living in? You've got to be joking.

Pharmacies take in enough money to afford some bulky security men.

Take your altruistic self outta here - you don't dispense this stuff because you want to help them, you dispense it because you make money out of it - you're a business, so don't deny it.

You're hardly frontline. If you feel you are, get the security, the stab vest and the pepper spray....

pharmacists do not make any profit from the methadone scheme it is sold at a loss, especially considering the robberies caused by the scheme.

No business sells at a loss. Full stop. How many pharmacies are there in Ireland? Probably over 230. So if theres only 230, that means an individual shop gest robbed every 3 years? Hardly loss inducing.

BarryH

liamoh wrote: »

And once again i don't know of course what employment you are in but jealously has obviously warped your views, try to be more unbiased in future.

Be more unbiased like Mogie. Leave my rabbit alone, he's no bother!

Degsy

liamoh wrote: »

pharmacists do not make any profit from the methadone scheme it is sold at a loss, especially considering the robberies caused by the scheme.

The HSE was supposed to provide centres but it not and left individual pharmacists to dispense methdone themselves.

If this pharmacy did dispense methadone it was in order to help the sufferers of opioid dependence and I do noty believe htat their benevelonce should be considered their fault. Being targeted by drug dealers is not something anybody would willingly signed up for not even for the exagerrated amount the media claims the pharmacists make.

Complete BS.You meanto tell me that a business sells a product to HELP people at no financial gain to themselves?I'm sorry but i dont believe you.If its so dangerous to do it and you dont make any profit why sell the stuff in first place?It sounds a little bit like sombeody who owns a pub claiming they dont make any money selling alco-pops and they only do so to put a smile on the faces of under-age kids.

liamoh

sunnyjim wrote: »

WHAT?! MORE LIKELY THAN A GARDA? Tell that one to your local super, and see how long it takes to react to your next 'inevitable' robbery... (5 days I bet)

What country are you living in? You've got to be joking.

Pharmacies take in enough money to afford some bulky security men.

Take your altruistic self outta here - you don't dispense this stuff because you want to help them, you dispense it because you make money out of it - you're a business, so don't deny it.

You're hardly frontline. If you feel you are, get the security, the stab vest and the pepper spray....



No business sells at a loss. Full stop. How many pharmacies are there in Ireland? Probably over 230. So if theres only 230, that means an individual shop gest robbed every 3 years? Hardly loss inducing.

No of course not more than a gardai, I would have thought that would be implied, but a garda is aware of the dangers he is in, he enters into the force to counter such dangers, and I don't believe pharmacusts should just accept being robbed and attacked every now and again.

And yes they do sell at a loss ever since the HSE decided to reduce how much they would profit from the scheme, thus inducing the withdrawal.

Finally as for the divide between a patient or a customer, I'd like to believe I actully help people, I wouldn't be in healthcare otherwise, I'd do law or something, Pharmacy is one of the oldest professions do not write it off as a shop.

liamoh

Yes, that is something the public can't understand and is why everyone opposed the pharmacists not the HSE.

The HSE refused to set up clinics to provide for the methadone users thus the pharmacists stood up to help the HSE in pity for the patients.

How could any human being just allow them to relapse to more dangerous drugs again, we are members of healthcare foremostly money isn't everything.

I believe i'll omit any future comment, vulgarities and extremist comparisons put me off such attempts.

Nermal

liamoh wrote: »

The HSE refused to set up clinics to provide for the methadone users thus the pharmacists stood up to help the HSE in pity for the patients.

How could any human being just allow them to relapse to more dangerous drugs again, we are members of healthcare foremostly money isn't everything.

Nice to hear that money isn't everything. Especially coming from an anti-competitive profession making rather a lot of it trading on their 'skill' of taking pills from a big bottle and putting them in a smaller bottle.

sunnyjim

liamoh wrote:

and I don't believe pharmacusts should just accept being robbed and attacked every now and again.

You're a business. You have money on your premises. You are a target just like everyone else.

And no-one believes your codswallop about making a loss!! You're some joker.

Not really, the pharmacists are very vunerable, as methadone is similar to opioid drugs, the fact that most pharmacies are small and due to the HSE lack of funding are unprotected and because there in a more probable position to be targeted by drug addicts than gardai or employees of centra.

There are at least 1560 Community Pharmacys in Ireland, going by the regulator. Thats roughly 75 robberies a year on pharmacys boing by your figures. Roughly 1 in every 20 pharmacys are targeted annually...

My shop has been held at gunpoint 2 in the past year, along with uncounted snatch and grabs and 2 knife points. And we are not an easy target, we have ex-gardai working the shop floor (tiny shop, a centra). So far, I'm seeing that you guys have it easy. And guess what, I'm sure your turnover is quite higher. You can afford the losses.

Teachers, nurses, Dublin Corpo cleaners out O'Connell street at midnight... ALL get it worse than ye olde medicine-man taking pills from one box to another and printing a label. Tough down at the old pharmacaepioa?

And before you start wondering 'what problem does this centra-phile have with pharmacists?', it's not a grudge... It's jealousy!