Pairc Ui Caoimh - 60000 all seater stadium!

J Cheever Loophole

Alias G wrote: »

The new Pairc Ui Caoimh would be a white elephant anyway. The Gah doesn't get enough use out of their large stadia as it is.

If the intention is to use it for GAA games only, then I agree, although use as a concert venue would help.

GAA counties with big grounds reminds me of some third world countries who are determined to outdo each other with their expensive air forces, simply because the neighbour has one, as opposed to any real practical need.

The way ahead surely needs to be investing in smaller and more modern grounds, i.e. increased modern seating, and cover for all spectators. Each county should have a ground that can have a capacity of 10 - 20,000, and each province should have a ground in the region of 40 - 50,000 for provincial finals.

Pairc Ui Chaoimh does look as if it needs an urgent revamp though.

homerjay2005

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Who exactly is paying for this?

uefa

case885

Just looking at the casement park drawings which are very impressive, makes the new pairc ui chaoimh look like a joke apart from the new stand nothing done to the rest. They should really spend an extra 20-30 million and sort the whole thing out, surely they will get extra funding if a rugby world cup bid is successful.

rebel girl 15

case885 wrote: »

Just looking at the casement park drawings which are very impressive, makes the new pairc ui chaoimh look like a joke apart from the new stand nothing done to the rest. They should really spend an extra 20-30 million and sort the whole thing out, surely they will get extra funding if a rugby world cup bid is successful.

Big difference is that Ulster council are able to draw down capital funding from Sport NI to cover the costs of Casement Park - Cork cannnot do that

thinkstoomuch1

case885 wrote: »

Just looking at the casement park drawings which are very impressive, makes the new pairc ui chaoimh look like a joke apart from the new stand nothing done to the rest. They should really spend an extra 20-30 million and sort the whole thing out, surely they will get extra funding if a rugby world cup bid is successful.

Its a joke ,a complete joke,the set up.One ptich,is the so called centre of excellence project with the Pairc,and their moving the stadium roof.The cost is crazy.

Spending an extra 20-30 million ,on top of the 67 million would be just mad.
They are looking for goverment funding and Gilmore visited the Pairc a few weeks ago,and met with a few county board men.


Christy cooney ,ex president ,has now come on board the project and went or is going to go to Dublin soon with Bob ryan and put together a presenation on the project and look for goverment funding and meet goverment officals.


And the talk is they will get it too.


Cork dont want to spend any money themselves.The thing about it is ,Cork are among the wealthiest if not the wealthiest around and should be told if they want it ,pay for it themselves.

All the money for a stadium,when Cork have only 5 full time GDAS,Dublin have 50,tippeary much smaller in size than us have 5,,Rebel Og is only partly funded (such our 17 all ireland winning team were told to bring their sunscreen to games ,and provided with jaffa cakes ,when other counties had much more ,and our Hurling team had to have a fundraiser last friday night for their team fund.

All the above should be a priority ,then the stadium.Its not like we dont have one.Yes it needs work ,but not to the scale they want.They were so worried with it,they didnt even give it a lick of paint the last 30 years.

And when they done work to the seating,they made a b***s of it,they had to redo it ,a second time.

The project certainly wont lack drama anyway.

case885

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Big difference is that Ulster council are able to draw down capital funding from Sport NI to cover the costs of Casement Park - Cork cannnot do that

Just saw its only 22 million not 67 so that is alot less. If cork gaa are paying 22 million and there is an expected 20 million boost to the economy then surely they will get extra funding. I think they will be at it again in 15 years time as it will be a complete half arsed job.

thinkstoomuch1

case885 wrote: »

Just saw its only 22 million not 67 so that is alot less. If cork gaa are paying 22 million and there is an expected 20 million boost to the economy then surely they will get extra funding. I think they will be at it again in 15 years time as it will be a complete half arsed job.

Its 67 million.

case885

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Its 67 million.

Thought that some people said it was 22 million which seems very cheap, then again 67 seems very expensive for a 13000 stand and an astro turf pitch

thinkstoomuch1

case885 wrote: »

Thought that some people said it was 22 million which seems very cheap, then again 67 seems very expensive for a 13000 stand and an astro turf pitch

Research it.:-)...67m...i hope im wrong and its 22m.

ShamoBuc

It will probably be both ...89m...67 AND 22

thinkstoomuch1

ShamoBuc wrote: »

It will probably be both ...89m...67 AND 22

Wouldnt suprise me in the slightest.Country on its knees and Cork look for funding they dont need..

case885

how much are the county board funding?

Pete_Cavan

My understanding is that the stadium redevelopment will cost €22m but is part of the Marina Park development which will cost €67m in total.

CrabRevolution

There is no way it would cost €67M, is it going to be made of gold or something?

Meath County Board researched the necessary improvements for Páirc Táilteann and the most expensive estimate for a stand they proposed was €1800 per seat. Say this balloons to €2000 a seat, even a 13000 seater stand would come to €26M.

thinkstoomuch1

Cork GAA confident Páirc Uí Chaoimh project will get go-ahead
Major €67 million euro development will make stadium among most modern in country



First published:
Wed, Sep 18, 2013, 01:35


Winning this year’s hurling All-Ireland may be the immediate goal for Cork GAA, but the organisation is also looking to the long-term with plans for a €67 million redevelopment of Pairc Ui Chaoimh.
Cork County Board is preparing to apply for planning permission to Cork City Council for the project next month and County Board chairman Bob Ryan is confident the project will get the go-ahead from planners keen to see the area developed.
“The redevelopment of Páirc Uí Chaoimh will be the first phase of the development of the Marina Park as part of the Cork Docklands project – we had to work closely with Cork City Council to ensure our redevelopment satisfied their plan for the area,” said Mr Ryan.

Three-tier structure
Under the plan, Páirc Uí Chaoimh will see its capacity increase from 43,500 to 45,000 with the existing covered or South Stand (with a current capacity of 9,000) being replaced by a three-tier structure with a total capacity of 13,000.
The existing uncovered or North Stand (with a capacity of 9,000) will also be redeveloped with capacity reducing to 8,000 to allow it be roofed while both the terraces will also be upgraded while retaining their current capacities of 12,500 at both the city and Blackrock ends.
Mr Ryan said the new South Stand will accommodate four new dressingrooms as well as bars, restaurants, meeting rooms and a museum, while it will also accommodate 2,000 premium seats.
In addition to the main pitch which remains the same size with a five-metre surround, the project also envisages the development of a full size all-weather pitch in the former Munster Agricultural Showgrounds with a viewing area on to it from the rear of the South Stand.
“We hope to complete the redevelopment within two years once we clear planning and it’s going to be a huge boost to the construction sector – we estimate it’s going to be worth €22 million in terms of labour, materials, etc and will create some 300 construction jobs.”
And Mr Ryan is confident that if Ireland succeeds in securing the 2023 Rugby World Cup, then the redeveloped Páirc Uí Chaoimh will be in the running to host games.

Rugby World Cup
“The Rugby World Cup wasn’t a factor in our design for the stadium – what we are doing, we are doing to bring it up to standard as a modern stadium for Gaelic games, but if we can do anything to assist the local economy by hosting rugby world cup games, then we will.
“The congress of the GAA has given central council the authority to negotiate with the people bidding for the Rugby World Cup and we’ve backed that at Cork County Board level and I’m confident the new Páirc Uí Chaoimh will more than meet their standards.”

iDave

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

The existing uncovered or North Stand (with a capacity of 9,000) will also be redeveloped with capacity reducing to 8,000 to allow it be roofed

So is the North Stand being torn down and rebuilt with a roof or are they putting a roof onto the existing stand?

thinkstoomuch1

iDave wrote: »

So is the North Stand being torn down and rebuilt with a roof or are they putting a roof onto the existing stand?

This is the CCB ,a state of the Art stadium ,were being told only second to croke park.Moving the roof from one side as far as I know.

The best part of all this is in their Words a "state of the art centre of excellence"and a Museum.

Its all well and good to have a museum ,but its nothing unless you can fill it with glourious triumphs and cups.
I hope to god were not relying on victories from back in the day ,and nothing in the present day in regards of success,which is a real possibity with some of our teams.

But sure if worst come to the worse they can do up teams of the best footballers and hurlers never to win an all ireland,and put in up on an engraved waterford crystal.

What a pointless exercise in fairness,in naming the best 15 cork footballer not to win an all ireland in the last few weeks,im sure some of the players on the list got no real satisfaction in being on a list like that.
People close to cork football know who those great players were anyway.Those players wont be forgotten .

It reminded me of unlimited heartbreak limerick.Would you see kerry ?kilkenny?do such a thing.No,what they do is ensure their teams are rememebered for they what won,rather than Not what they didnt win and everything is put in place ,to give them every possible chance.
When I see things like that ,it seems it is gloryfing times of underachievement.They would of been better of looking at why those great players underachieved(they had all irelands in them),and run a poll to the fans asking why they think they didnt win ,and what could be done in terms of preparation etc to make us successful in the future.That would be making a step forward,than rather living in the past,a past cork football would rather forget.
What team will they do next time ,they will do a list of our best u21 hurlers that never won an all ireland in recent times.

Man united are barely seven months in ,and their Manager is already under huge pressure.Finishing in the top four is seen as a failure even.It is unreal,in cork that some accept mediocity as acceptable.
As much as the United top brass have supported Moyles,make no mistake about it,if things get worse ,he wont last the year,or if they dont improve next year,they won't wait all day,the fans wont accept failure or second best and neither will fergusson.He will be loyal to a degree with Moyles,but hes a Winner at the end of the day.



The stadium is Number one priortity in cork.It shouldnt be.Players ,teams must be the no 1 focus .You have successful teams you have no problem filling a stadium,or enhancing commerical value and selling tickets.You always build from the botton up.

Cork are building a new stadium,with so many problems at ground level that should be sorted first and foremost.

Xenophile

All very fine for Cork but Páirc Uí Caoimh is a bottle neck to get in and out of. Waterford could do with a few bob to develop a stadium the home team never gets a game of any consequence. In fairness to their supporters Waterford should be allowed to play their home games in Nowlan Park, it's just a short and quick drive to the venue on the M9 motorway from Waterford city.

Thanks very much

If I was from Cork I'd doing the highland fling around the garden with delight to be getting an 60,000 all seater stadium. Typical Cork moaners, you just can't please them. Be quiet and thankful and please stop complaining.

case885

Thanks very much wrote: »

If I was from Cork I'd doing the highland fling around the garden with delight to be getting an 60,000 all seater stadium. Typical Cork moaners, you just can't please them. Be quiet and thankful and please stop complaining.

Its actually 45000 with 24000 staying as terrace..

thinkstoomuch1

Thanks very much wrote: »

If I was from Cork I'd doing the highland fling around the garden with delight to be getting an 60,000 all seater stadium. Typical Cork moaners, you just can't please them. Be quiet and thankful and please stop complaining.

Its quite clear you aint from Cork,with such a statement,no fact or logic to back it up.


Their is more to Gaa in cork than having a flash stadium ,player welfare,investment at underage,developing and maintaining of clubs in dire need of help around the county , and a strategic plan that has cork successful at all levels in both codes,or at the very least,be competive.

If you were from Cork you would actually know what you are talking about and their are more immediate concerns with Cork Gaa that should be addressed rather than an overpriced stadium.

Obivously your not a Cork man,so with respect it is easy to see why you have such a narrow minded view.

slingerz

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

This is the CCB ,a state of the Art stadium ,were being told only second to croke park.Moving the roof from one side as far as I know.

The best part of all this is in their Words a "state of the art centre of excellence"and a Museum.

Its all well and good to have a museum ,but its nothing unless you can fill it with glourious triumphs and cups.
I hope to god were not relying on victories from back in the day ,and nothing in the present day in regards of success,which is a real possibity with some of our teams.

But sure if worst come to the worse they can do up teams of the best footballers and hurlers never to win an all ireland,and put in up on an engraved waterford crystal.

What a pointless exercise in fairness,in naming the best 15 cork footballer not to win an all ireland in the last few weeks,im sure some of the players on the list got no real satisfaction in being on a list like that.
People close to cork football know who those great players were anyway.Those players wont be forgotten .

It reminded me of unlimited heartbreak limerick.Would you see kerry ?kilkenny?do such a thing.No,what they do is ensure their teams are rememebered for they what won,rather than Not what they didnt win and everything is put in place ,to give them every possible chance.
When I see things like that ,it seems it is gloryfing times of underachievement.They would of been better of looking at why those great players underachieved(they had all irelands in them),and run a poll to the fans asking why they think they didnt win ,and what could be done in terms of preparation etc to make us successful in the future.That would be making a step forward,than rather living in the past,a past cork football would rather forget.
What team will they do next time ,they will do a list of our best u21 hurlers that never won an all ireland in recent times.

Man united are barely seven months in ,and their Manager is already under huge pressure.Finishing in the top four is seen as a failure even.It is unreal,in cork that some accept mediocity as acceptable.
As much as the United top brass have supported Moyles,make no mistake about it,if things get worse ,he wont last the year,or if they dont improve next year,they won't wait all day,the fans wont accept failure or second best and neither will fergusson.He will be loyal to a degree with Moyles,but hes a Winner at the end of the day.



The stadium is Number one priortity in cork.It shouldnt be.Players ,teams must be the no 1 focus .You have successful teams you have no problem filling a stadium,or enhancing commerical value and selling tickets.You always build from the botton up.

Cork are building a new stadium,with so many problems at ground level that should be sorted first and foremost.

that critiscism is crazy, there can be nothing wrong with coming up with such teams at this time of year. very much a slow news/activity time in a GAA sense for the majority of people involved and it keeps people thinking and talking about Cork GAA.

Strangest criticism i've ever seen

Horse84

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Its quite clear you aint from Cork,with such a statement,no fact or logic to back it up.


Their is more to Gaa in cork than having a flash stadium ,player welfare,investment at underage,developing and maintaining of clubs in dire need of help around the county , and a strategic plan that has cork successful at all levels in both codes,or at the very least,be competive.

If you were from Cork you would actually know what you are talking about and their are more immediate concerns with Cork Gaa that should be addressed rather than an overpriced stadium.

Obivously your not a Cork man,so with respect it is easy to see why you have such a narrow minded view.

Sure he doesn't have to be from cork to give his view on it. And he def doesn't need to be from cork to see the deficiencies in recent success so that's a complete nonsense of an argument to be fair.

I agree totally that the board are putting way too much focus on this stadium and from what I can see it is over priced and yes it is to the detriment of games development within the county. That being said they have to do something with the place.
Also the idea of a museum has to be welcomed. Just because there's a lack of success today doesn't mean that the kids of the future shouldn't learn about the past and hopefully gain inspiration from it and strive for that success themselves. Your response that great players who never won an all Ireland will be remembered anyway I for one just don't buy. I'm in my 20's and I wouldn't be overly familiar with fellas who played in the 80's and before so it's right and proper that there should be a place for them there.
And no that's not an indication of this acceptance of mediocrity that's become established within the county before u say it.

You keep referring back to the likes of Kerry and Kilkenny and the likes. Let them do their own thing, I'm sure they have their issues too.

two wheels good

Thanks very much wrote: »

If I was from Cork I'd doing the highland fling around the garden with delight to be getting an 60,000 all seater stadium. Typical Cork moaners, you just can't please them. Be quiet and thankful and please stop complaining.

If you were from Cork you might know how much grief is caused to local residents with traffic problems and inconsiderate parking and litter every time a game is played at PUC. Actually the traffic problems are often not just local - three suburbs are clogged up. Yet the GAA never offer any traffic plan - e.g coaches, shuttle buses, public transport tickets included with match tickets

The grounds are located in an inaccessible cul de sac - a location not suitable for expansion and handling the traffic.
The lands which have been sold to the GAA by the city council (at a very advantageous price) would have been better utilised as a public park/amenity - promoting recreation and health for all the public.

Thanks very much

case885 wrote: »

Its actually 45000 with 24000 staying as terrace..

Oops.

Thanks very much

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Its quite clear you aint from Cork,with such a statement,no fact or logic to back it up.


Their is more to Gaa in cork than having a flash stadium ,player welfare,investment at underage,developing and maintaining of clubs in dire need of help around the county , and a strategic plan that has cork successful at all levels in both codes,or at the very least,be competive.

If you were from Cork you would actually know what you are talking about and their are more immediate concerns with Cork Gaa that should be addressed rather than an overpriced stadium.

Obivously your not a Cork man,so with respect it is easy to see why you have such a narrow minded view.

I'm very sorry for giving my opinion. I hope everything works out. Don't give up.

Thanks very much

two wheels good wrote: »

If you were from Cork you might know how much grief is caused to local residents with traffic problems and inconsiderate parking and litter every time a game is played at PUC. Actually the traffic problems are often not just local - three suburbs are clogged up. Yet the GAA never offer any traffic plan - e.g coaches, shuttle buses, public transport tickets included with match tickets

The grounds are located in an inaccessible cul de sac - a location not suitable for expansion and handling the traffic.
The lands which have been sold to the GAA by the city council (at a very advantageous price) would have been better utilised as a public park/amenity - promoting recreation and health for all the public.

Ok sorry about that.

thinkstoomuch1

Thanks very much wrote: »

I'm very sorry for giving my opinion. I hope everything works out. Don't give up.

Noboddy minded you giving an opinion.
It is when you insult Cork as a bunch of moaners,and just give a half-arsed reason to why,is quite natural your are going to get a response.

As you will read by me and the other poster,Cork have valid reasons to as you put it kindly "moan".Feel free to address the points raised.

The point about you not being a cork man,was simply ,to illustrate you don't understand why we give out about the stadium ,yet you tell us not to complain and we should stop moaning.

thinkstoomuch1

Horse84 wrote: »

Sure he doesn't have to be from cork to give his view on it. And he def doesn't need to be from cork to see the deficiencies in recent success so that's a complete nonsense of an argument to be fair.

I agree totally that the board are putting way too much focus on this stadium and from what I can see it is over priced and yes it is to the detriment of games development within the county. That being said they have to do something with the place.
Also the idea of a museum has to be welcomed. Just because there's a lack of success today doesn't mean that the kids of the future shouldn't learn about the past and hopefully gain inspiration from it and strive for that success themselves. Your response that great players who never won an all Ireland will be remembered anyway I for one just don't buy. I'm in my 20's and I wouldn't be overly familiar with fellas who played in the 80's and before so it's right and proper that there should be a place for them there.
And no that's not an indication of this acceptance of mediocrity that's become established within the county before u say it.

You keep referring back to the likes of Kerry and Kilkenny and the likes. Let them do their own thing, I'm sure they have their issues too.

Nail on the head,fellow Rebel,he doesn t need to be a cork man to have an opinion,but it is not much to ask he would have an idea what he was talking about ,before making a half-arsed comment that Cork are a bunch of moaners ,when he couldnt back it up.

You said yourself we dont need a new stadium at that ludiricous cost and using tax payer money in all probabilty.Yes it needs work,no one denies that.


The reason I keep refering to Kerry and kilkenny ,is they are the kings of football and hurling.We were once in that throne,but due to neglect,acceptance we have no given right bullsh**e ,and it happens in cyles ,and all the other aspects to accept medioricity and glorify failure rather than see it as black and white ,it is failure when a county the magnitude of Cork,only Dublin rival us in terms of rescources like money and pick of players,we greatly underachieved at all levels bar u21 football in recent times.


This team of the best 15 to never win an all ireland,im sorry,i just don't buy the concept or see any benfit in it at all.
The 15 that were named are well known in cork football by young and old ,without having to do a poll to highlight them.
Im in a similar age group to you,me and many of my mates,would be well up with Cork greats of the past like many cork fans,from reading old books ,match reports,tv footage and best of all from going to club games,and talking to the older folks ,where they with every word speak knowlege of their great club men that wore the red and white.

And don't forget most of those players have won all stars anyway,and recieved such accolades ,and that is one of the reasons that the All stars came in,to recogoise players outstanding in a year that never won a celtic cross.Only one team can win an all ireland every year,but over a players career in cork we should be winning all irelands,and id rather like many remember cork teams as one that win rather those that underachieved.


Would Man utd?all blacks,?kerry ,kilkenny?dublin(never done that in their famine) the Germans,the Italians name such teams ,in their sports ,simply no they wouldnt even contemplate such a thought.


The players involved wouldnt want to be assiocated with such teams.Would Roy Keane want to be named on such teams.No he wouldnt.
Brian o driscoll,O gara,driscoll all the same.

Dricco having had a huge part in the lions tour said he didnt feel in the mood to celebrate,like keane in the 99 champions league final,as both didnt actually play in the finals.Those players were being harsh on themselves,but thats the mentality they have.

Why oh why do new zealand always win close matches against ireland ,at international,is they simply do not want to be the ist all black team to loose at international to us.That refusal,sheer stubborn doggness not to accept corks view ,sure we play ireland so many times were bound to loose once.


They dont believe in the law of averages.They like all great winning teams ,have only one formula,it is called winning.


Munster,are going through a period of transistion yet their CEO garrett fitzgerald said last year their aim was to contest the home heinken cup final.Statement of intent.They have much tougher challenges fiancailly as they compete with the clout of the rich french clubs.Their priorties never fall though.


Cork have the rescources,we should be dominating ,at worst competing at all levels.


Would brian o driscoll and paul o connell want to be named on the best irish team never to beat the all blacks.Not a chance.


Id say a lot of cork players didnt want any such team.Their is plenty else to write about like the best Cork hurling team ever or the success of the ladies football team.


Going on such teams that never won is a sobering thought ,as it begs the question how with so much talent,real talent we won just 3 Senior all irelands in the last 40 years since 73.

premierstone

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Noboddy minded you giving an opinion.
It is when you insult Cork as a bunch of moaners,and just give a half-arsed reason to why,is quite natural your are going to get a response.

As you will read by me and the other poster,Cork have valid reasons to as you put it kindly "moan".Feel free to address the points raised.

The point about you not being a cork man,was simply ,to illustrate you don't understand why we give out about the stadium ,yet you tell us not to complain and we should stop moaning.

Jaysus you really showed him up for claiming that Cork was full of moaners, talk about making his argument for him!

thinkstoomuch1

slingerz wrote: »

that critiscism is crazy, there can be nothing wrong with coming up with such teams at this time of year. very much a slow news/activity time in a GAA sense for the majority of people involved and it keeps people thinking and talking about Cork GAA.

Strangest criticism i've ever seen

Haven't they just published the Cork end of year book for £8,good value.
Their you get a comphrensive view of all cork gaa activity throughout the year.
You don't need a website poll to keep thinking Cork gaa.The last game of the County ended ,and their is the excellent as you posted Duhallow 20 invitation tournament.

The cork college football is on tommorrow.
Then the middle of January,the Harty Cup,and then the Mcgrath Cup,followed by the leagues.

And the Cork end of the year book has winning teams ,like the Ladies,Cork Junior footballers,the remarkable and great story of the hurlers this year,Midelton and of course,Clyda Rovers ,Cork and Munster Club champions.
I'm sure you would very much enjoy reading about their glorious triumph,and Grenagh also to name but a few.

Their is plenty going on in Cork,with the county convention this week,the club draws and various club agms and annnouncements.

Horse84

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Nail on the head,fellow Rebel,

Less of the fellow rebel ****e lad. I don't agree with most of what you're saying at all but I don't need to write an essay to explain why.

Remembering players of the past that didn't win an all Ireland is completely correct and is in no way indicative of a mindset of the acceptance of mediocrity. Would it be that the likes of awesome players like ken Mcgrath in Waterford and more like him be forgotten? Will you go away and cop yourself on. I've never seen anyone make mountains out molehills like you do. Unbelievable.

And for the love of god will you please learn to use there, their and they're correctly before my eyes bleed dry reading this forum.

thinkstoomuch1

Horse84 wrote: »

Less of the fellow rebel ****e lad. I don't agree with most of what you're saying at all but I don't need to write an essay to explain why.

Remembering players of the past that didn't win an all Ireland is completely correct and is in no way indicative of a mindset of the acceptance of mediocrity. Would it be that the likes of awesome players like ken Mcgrath in Waterford and more like him be forgotten? Will you go away and cop yourself on. I've never seen anyone make mountains out molehills like you do. Unbelievable.

And for the love of god will you please learn to use there, their and they're correctly before my eyes bleed dry reading this forum.

Always the sign that someone cant debate when they get personal.You cant address the points fair enough.

Cork are winners.Will they were,in the past.
Jbm and. Nash have said even last week,that this year was not a success.I think it was,from the adversity they faced ,and injuries.
They don't and its refreshing to know they dont accept second best.


You glorify corks best 15 that never won an all ireland yet you didnt want to go the homecoming for the hurlers (when they greatly overachieved)cause it was raining and you didnt want to get wet,when they needed all the suppport they needed.


I'm not in to polls,immaterial ,but hail rain or snow,i would support a team.

Myself and you are different,thats fair enough.You accept failure ,when teams can achieve more.I don't.I want Cork to win more,the talent is their,i see it week ,in ,week out.You should have a look at Keane and veira tonight.Any sports fan,does not have to be a soccer fan,would be inspired by their fellow Cork man,hunger and high standards.

He has won so much at united ,yet he feels he could and should have won more.
Eammon ryan,juliet murphy,ronan o gara ,JBM, you name it don't accept second best.


Im sorry if it offends you,but I would like to see cork be remembered as winners.
If a cork team ,is simply beaten by a better team,fair enough.It happened ,this year,no complaints,Clare were by far the better team.Could cork have done anything else to win it,no they couldnt.

Okay a better choice of subs,but at the end of the day ,clare would have won.
What I dont like is when I see talented,cork teams loose due to poor preparation and poor management.

Those players named were great players long before and after the poll.

Horse84

I didn't want to go to the homecoming cause I didn't want to get wet? What in the name of Christ are u talking about?? This was meant to be a thread about PUC.
The reason nobody wants to 'debate' u man is for the simple reason you're the most overbearing presence I've ever seen on these forums and if anyone disagrees with you sure you can't accept it at all.
There's been countless times recently where points you've made have been pulled on by others but you ignore them of course.
Afraid to get wet? LMFAO here. You're a fella with too much time on your hands to thinks too much I reckon.

thinkstoomuch1

Horse84 wrote: »

I didn't want to go to the homecoming cause I didn't want to get wet? What in the name of Christ are u talking about?? This was meant to be a thread about PUC.
The reason nobody wants to 'debate' u man is for the simple reason you're the most overbearing presence I've ever seen on these forums and if anyone disagrees with you sure you can't accept it at all.
There's been countless times recently where points you've made have been pulled on by others but you ignore them of course.
Afraid to get wet? LMFAO here. You're a fella with too much time on your hands to thinks too much I reckon.

I debate the points fairly.
You debated my point in my post and I replied.
You focused on my grammar rather than what I said.If you can give criticism ,fair enough.Surely I can reply

I have adressed all points,i choose to ignore one poster,simply cause it was getting in to a tit for tat,and we just don't hold the same views,so I agree to disagree.

You read my post ,and debated it.I simply replied and give you reasons why they were my opinions.Nothing more ,nothing less.

You say I make mountains out of molehills.I simply gave a view .

iDave

Would it be beyond the realms of possibility of building a whole new stadium in or near Cork for the RWC. 30-40k build to a high standard. Can then be used for Cork GAA, Munster finals, IRS, Cork City FC Munster Rugby (when they need it), ROI U21 etc?

thinkstoomuch1

iDave wrote: »

Would it be beyond the realms of possibility of building a whole new stadium in or near Cork for the RWC. 30-40k build to a high standard. Can then be used for Cork GAA, Munster finals, IRS, Cork City FC Munster Rugby (when they need it), ROI U21 etc?

Munster wouldnt go for it,as with thomond park that is their main rubgy venue,and I could never see them going outside what they see as the home of rubgy in limerick.

When they decided not to go ahead with a training centre in cork but its all in limerick,that is where their strong hold.


I couldnt imagine cork would want to share their stadium long term with anyone.

What you say makes sense ,but it hard to envisage it even be considered by either of the above.

iDave

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Munster wouldnt go for it,as with thomond park that is their main rubgy venue,and I could never see them going outside what they see as the home of rubgy in limerick.

When they decided not to go ahead with a training centre in cork but its all in limerick,that is where their strong hold.


I couldnt imagine cork would want to share their stadium long term with anyone.

What you say makes sense ,but it hard to envisage it even be considered by either of the above.

Well not suggesting it as a permanent home for Munster just continue with what their doing now in Musgrave and if they are in a HEC semi (if it still exists) play there as the competition rules wouldn't let them play in Thomand.

thinkstoomuch1

iDave wrote: »

Well not suggesting it as a permanent home for Munster just continue with what their doing now in Musgrave and if they are in a HEC semi (if it still exists) play there as the competition rules wouldn't let them play in Thomand.

Yeah it would make sense,but Irfu would rather the semifinals are in the aviva ,i would think.
Frank wants hes own stadium.

Pete_Cavan

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

The best part of all this is in their Words a "state of the art centre of excellence"and a Museum.

Its all well and good to have a museum ,but its nothing unless you can fill it with glourious triumphs and cups.
I hope to god were not relying on victories from back in the day ,and nothing in the present day in regards of success,which is a real possibity with some of our teams.

But sure if worst come to the worse they can do up teams of the best footballers and hurlers never to win an all ireland,and put in up on an engraved waterford crystal.

What a pointless exercise in fairness,in naming the best 15 cork footballer not to win an all ireland in the last few weeks,im sure some of the players on the list got no real satisfaction in being on a list like that.
People close to cork football know who those great players were anyway.Those players wont be forgotten .

It reminded me of unlimited heartbreak limerick.Would you see kerry ?kilkenny?do such a thing.

Yes, actually;
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/killarney-selected-for-3m-gaa-museum-179178.html

The stadium redevelopment is not just about match days, if it can also produce income on non match days it could be a big asset. The plans are to have the concourse of the main stand open to the public to draw on the park;

This and a museum would help attract visitors, creating an income from concessions. There is also the potential and concerts and large events and corporate facilities could be a nice money spinner too. Planning to recoup the costs of the redevelopment based on match days alone would make it a non runner, but if it can produce money every day and get a number of big concerts each year to supplement match days it could be a goer.

jank

Got to love that photoshop. Once couple dressed for winter another in summer clothes....

iDave

The best of CP, Thomand and the Aviva all in one :rolleyes:

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=206320

yellow50HX

iDave wrote: »

Would it be beyond the realms of possibility of building a whole new stadium in or near Cork for the RWC. 30-40k build to a high standard. Can then be used for Cork GAA, Munster finals, IRS, Cork City FC Munster Rugby (when they need it), ROI U21 etc?

As a corkman and a gaa fan I would luv to see that. Just look at how much finicanical difficultly hchale park, the Gaelic grounds, thomond park and so on. For it to work then the ego and pride of some of the sporting bodies needs to be put to the side. We are a small country and spending 30-40 million on a stadium that will only be filled once or twice a year makes no sense. As for Munster they would prefer to play any big games in the province rather then having to use the aviva.

thinkstoomuch1

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Yes, actually;
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/killarney-selected-for-3m-gaa-museum-179178.html

The stadium redevelopment is not just about match days, if it can also produce income on non match days it could be a big asset. The plans are to have the concourse of the main stand open to the public to draw on the park;

This and a museum would help attract visitors, creating an income from concessions. There is also the potential and concerts and large events and corporate facilities could be a nice money spinner too. Planning to recoup the costs of the redevelopment based on match days alone would make it a non runner, but if it can produce money every day and get a number of big concerts each year to supplement match days it could be a goer.

The problem is not the museum ,i don't have an issue with it.Croke park is splendid ,and kerry have no doubt will make a top class set up.My problem is cork have a lot more issues that needs to be addressed like

A director of hurling and football.

5 GDO is farcial for a county of size of us.
Our underage set up must be fully funded by the board.
Our teams like our hurlers shouldnt have to fundraise for team holidays.
Cork made a profit of 1.4 million this year.
The rescources and talent is in cork ,but their is not the will their like dublin.

I look at dublin as a role model,the blueprint for cork.We are ,the only county that at dual codes can compete with them at all levels in terms of talent and rescources but we wont.

Dublin have in hurling and football been Hugely succesful across all grades recently.


It is pointless having a museum unless your going to try and have as many succesful teams.From 1979 up to 94,between minor u21,,and senior or Clubs at either hurling or football cork their was barely a single year that a team won a national title,all ireland or league title ,and if they did not teams were at worst getting to all irelands finals.

The talent that was their is Still in cork.What has changed?
Other counties are just as prepared even better than cork ,as where cork stood still they evolved.

Concerts are all well and good,but the majiority of cork fans would like to see a new stadium sold out at munster final day like the gaelic grounds was.

Cork havent won a minor football since 2000,,a hurling title around the same an u21 since 98,any senior title since 05,,not even a munster since 06.


Their is huge cause of concern at most levels.The only conisistent team in the last 8 years has been the wonderful u21 football team,where it is no coincendence john cleary was involved from o4 to 12.


Prior to that,the cork u21 team had lost a 1st round to clare,and then waterford ,and such was that management team so bad,one of our great players Noel O leary said in 2007,,that set up was the worst he had ever seen.

I said that kilkenny and kerry have not and I couldnt imagine would do a poll to name the best 15 that never won an all ireland.
Their greatest difficulty is to pick the greatest 15 that won them.
In one code kerry have appeared in 9 senior football finals since 2000,,winning five.Cork in comparision in hurling and football at senior have won 3 ,appearing in 8.
Kilkenny have got to 11 senior finals,won 8 in just one code.A huge difference.


Roy Keane had no problem picking a united 11 as the best ever he played with.But if you asked him to pick the best ireland team not to get to a major final,i would doubt he would.

Those 15 that were picked,most had won all stars or nominated for one.They were known for their talents.

Kevin o dywer,Fehily,Mark O Connor,John Evans,Ciaran O Sullivan,Joe Kavanagh,Colin Corkey and Philip Clifford all won all stars.Most of the team bar three would have been in Cork teams from the 90's up.So its not like ,as the argument by some was used that the team picked ,allows them to remember them,as they would have grown up in an aera where these players wouldnt be known.
The team picked is a modern day team in essence.
Most of these players played in the modern times,some still at club,so they would be well known.



The argument is it that that team puts a feel good factor in Cork and gets them thinking about football.The reasons are right but they are far more important ways to do that .
The team that was picked in the end ,you can cleary see by the balance of it,was done by younger voters.The more older version wouldnt do polls etc,.
They see no significance in such a team also.
The board done a poll and as the trend young people find these popular and voted.Thats Fair enough.


But that team that was picked was one sided,only three before 1990 and one from the 60s and two from the 80s.So from even say 1945 upwards ,to the 80s there were a lot of great players that were better than what was named that never won but beaten by great kerry teams.Brian Cococoran was one of our greatest hurlers ever,an all time Hero of mine,certainly a good footballer but didnt play enough top top games to be in the list.You can see here ,it was he's profile got him their.


Whats interesting is three players named are selectors with the current set up,sexton,davis and o sullivan.Since ,people have a view that these players will now become automatic great coaches.It doesn't always work that way.


Picking a best 15 that never won doesnt give them any greater signifance as majority of true cork fans know exactly who the greats were anyway.

I Can gurantee you ,you ask people in six months ,who that team was most would barely rememeber half of it,cause the team isnt such a big deal in comparison to other teams..Yet ask anyone who Corks 15 in 1945 or 73 were and the majority would name or be close it,as all ireland winners always are easier to remember.And those were years ago.

People say oh,it was just a bit fun ,wind down time in the lead up to xmas.Im all for that,but normally like in any job you do that when you have your work done.Cork have lots to do.
Doing a poll was more PR,than anything else.The poll cost them nothing to run.
Would'nt they be better of presenting guys that won their munster medals in 06 on time,not 7 years later or making sure the hurlers don't have to fundraiser for a team fund.The things they do,are immaterial,where essential things like these are never given the attention they deserve.

Ucc had a function for their fitzgibbon cup team,like most clubs do with winning teams to present medals.Cork 06 did not.


Reardens started a best club team in cork hurling and football the last two years.Thats a wonderful concept ,as it recogonises great club men who were not at inercounty level but were super super stalwarts at club and deserve accolades as some will never reach the big time with their clubs.


At intercounty level ,cork are well able to win all irelands.A succesful team,will always bring in revenue ,as you can write books,have dvds,memorbilla etc ,plays you name it.


Ireland rubgy for years on end played in a great stadium ,the parc des prince,before the stade de france,but I am sure not many irish players or fans want to remember the parc des prance as Ireland never won a game their.Not one game.


It is fine to have a fancy stadium(greatly overpriced though) and a museum,but the most important things to cork fans is the teams and what goes on the field of play.

By all means have their fields of dreams,but surely it is not asking for much that a county like cork ,once the kings in hurling,close or at the top roll of honour at minor hurling football and hurling and u21 hurling and football,to leave no stone unturned in giving us every chance to turn our talent in to successful teams to grace the stadium and produce us with many memories across all levels to line every inch of space we have in the museum with both past and present.

homerjay2005

Any more pics of the overall development available?

iDave

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Any more pics of the overall development available?

Compared to the new Casement which is a much better effort

thinkstoomuch1

iDave wrote: »

Compared to the new Casement which is a much better effort

Ours is pale shadow in fairness .Centre of excellence is way of the standard also.

Thanks very much

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Ours is pale shadow

There you again with the poor mouth. Can you not just be happy and grateful to accept your lot?

dzilla

I think hes right... it is a pale shadow. Another old fashioned and antiquated stadium design giving a tidy around the arm pits. The move to all seater should be made.

zetecescort

dzilla wrote: »

I think hes right... it is a pale shadow. Another old fashioned and antiquated stadium design giving a tidy around the arm pits. The move to all seater should be made.

Would be against an all seater stadium. Terraces in the Pairc are the best in the country, steep enough that your close to the pitch no matter how high you go up.

The current Pairc reminds me of flying with Ryanair, if you expect no frills you'll be grand. The atmosphere when it's full is brilliant, all fans close to the pitch. Just don't expect any creature comforts.