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IMO games are getting stupidly long - 10k starting stack with 1 hr clock is about as much as i can handle. playing 3 days of poker before making the money is silly
"yep i got great value, stayed in smelly hotel for 3 days, missed work, and bubbled, it was great i got to listen to my ipod for 28 hours of play, in which i actively played 50 hands...."
there isn't anything you cant prove at a poker table in 36 hours that you can't prove in 12 - actually the major difference is that it is structured for NITs with bundles of patience and restraint - it takes away the necessity to actually play poker to survive - sit there for 3 hours, get AA, hammer the sh1t outta it, hope it doesn't get outdrawn, and move on to the next big hand in an hour or two. Then when you are lucky enough to reach the last 4 tables, win a couple of races that you will have to take - bringing you to a crapshooty FT if your lucky
Sigh. This is all rather silly. If you don't have patience, so what. I couldn't give a ****. Most good players do. Patience and discipline seems to be an important part of playing good poker.
But the bolded part is the really silly part. You may choose to NIT it up in this type of structure. But it is not a neccesity. The great thing about deep structures is that you have the room to play any game you like. You have the chips to put pressure on players playing too tight - room to take flops with a wider range early because of massive implied odds; room to float flops and turns and have chips behind to make plays on the river. Or, you can sit around and play a very tight range and lean on the structure. Like Mike said in his thread about the deepstack game - you can expect to see a wide variety of styles.
But talk about the fact that you just sit around and wait for the boots and win a few races on a crapshooty final table is utter nonesense IMO. I still dont understand the logic being espoused by Bops and Richie that more than 10k chips and 1hr levels produces a BETTER late structure than 15k+ and 1hr+ levels?????
How does that work?
And finally Bops, this talk of "having to play poker to survive" is rubbish. What that translates as is "having to go all - in pre - flop or on the flop more". lol donkaments. I don't have much experience of playing tournaments in the southeast. But maybe you guys are good at shoving in preflop and winning races. Fine. But a structure that takes you all out of your comfort zone and forces you to adapt your game a little doesn't make it a bad structure.
Sure, for fecks sake, I'm a tournament donkey who plays turns and rivers badly - and I'm arguing for a structure that makes me much, much easier to beat. The better players are more likely to win a tournament with a more extended structure on a more consistent basis. I am clueless as to why good players want to get away from that.0 -
LuckyLloyd wrote: »
I don't have much experience of playing tournaments in the southeast. But maybe you guys are good at shoving in preflop and winning races. Fine. But a structure that takes you all out of your comfort zone and forces you to adapt your game a little doesn't make it a bad structure.
I think your forgot to say except for me Lloyd
fwiw i agree0 -
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LuckyLloyd wrote: »Sigh. This is all rather silly. If you don't have patience, so what. I couldn't give a ****. Most good players do. Patience and discipline seems to be an important part of playing good poker.
But the bolded part is the really silly part. You may choose to NIT it up in this type of structure. But it is not a neccesity. The great thing about deep structures is that you have the room to play any game you like. You have the chips to put pressure on players playing too tight - room to take flops with a wider range early because of massive implied odds; room to float flops and turns and have chips behind to make plays on the river. Or, you can sit around and play a very tight range and lean on the structure. Like Mike said in his thread about the deepstack game - you can expect to see a wide variety of styles.
But talk about the fact that you just sit around and wait for the boots and win a few races on a crapshooty final table is utter nonesense IMO. I still dont understand the logic being espoused by Bops and Richie that more than 10k chips and 1hr levels produces a BETTER late structure than 15k+ and 1hr+ levels?????
How does that work?
And finally Bops, this talk of "having to play poker to survive" is rubbish. What that translates as is "having to go all - in pre - flop or on the flop more". lol donkaments. I don't have much experience of playing tournaments in the southeast. But maybe you guys are good at shoving in preflop and winning races. Fine. But a structure that takes you all out of your comfort zone and forces you to adapt your game a little doesn't make it a bad structure.
Sure, for fecks sake, I'm a tournament donkey who plays turns and rivers badly - and I'm arguing for a structure that makes me much, much easier to beat. The better players are more likely to win a tournament with a more extended structure on a more consistent basis. I am clueless as to why good players want to get away from that.
Lloyd your talkin tripe, you see things one way and thats it ill rip this apart later when i get a few minutes0 -
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RichieLawlor wrote: »Lloyd your talkin tripe, you see things one way and thats it ill rip this apart later when i get a few minutes
And you see things your way and that's it!!!! You can "rip it apart" later. And then I'll counter it, and then eventually we will have to agree to disagree!!
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lucky lloyd's proven super system on how to win a big tourney:
1) play like a donkey
2) get shortstacked obv
3) buy into side event
4) shove @ every given oportunity
5) win every race
6) suckout
7) lift trophy
8) can now afford a razor
did i miss anything??
Yeah you missed something. I actually didn't suckout once in the ME AIPF from day two on!! I actually managed to get it in at least 70 / 30+ every time. And I won all :
A3 > Q3 AIPF
KK > QQ AIPF
AA > AK AIPF
AA > Q10 AI on a 1063r flop
A10 > Q10 AIPF (to knock a shortstack out)
QQ > 99 AIPF
AA > 88 AIPF
77 > A5 AIPF (to knock a shortstack out)
QQ > AQ AIPF
Now I will be the first to admit that was lucky. I never said I wasn't lucky in that event fwiw. And I didn't play like a donk on day one btw. I would have had a very workable stack if a good call with AQ after Andy Black had 3 bet overshoved on me preflop had held up against his A9. So ho hum, stfu, and call me lucky when you win one with more style and grace - which is definately quite possible to do.
And yeah, I won a lot of pots without showdown by 3 or 4 betting pre - flop without callers. Which is an important part of winning tournaments. Unusually, I didn't win any pure coinflips or have a huge suckout. But yeah, I ran real good in a different sort of way. And I have never claimed that I am a great player. Or that I outplayed everyone in that tournament. If someone can find somewhere where I said or wrote something along those lines please correct me.
EDIT: Btw, I didn't "win" in Drogheda. I chopped it with Liam and Brendan - and was arbitrarily declared the winner on the basis of having more chips when play ended.
The side event was a laugh. I sucked out a couple of times in that but it was largely irrelevant - and lasted 10 minutes.get back in your sh*thole box you call your house and never ever insult us good folk from the sunny south east again
Wtf with the childish insult? I like my house.
But what exactly has my win in Drogheda or whether I'm any good got to do with a debate over tournament structures? 0 -
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LuckyLloyd wrote: »Well there was no Waterford lads at either final table of the GJP festivals!!
There was only one Waterford player between both events i missed the may one. there was millions of Dubs in the IO0 -
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LuckyLloyd wrote: »
Wtf with the childish insult? I like my house.
But what exactly has my win in Drogheda or whether I'm any good got to do with a debate over tournament structures?
lol lloydy i was only takin the mickey! - fair play to you for takin it the way you did and wp in the tourney etc
I'd tell you to get back in your box, but we'd have a job stickin your big head in there - wouldn't we??MrPillowHead wrote:This is well out of order.
...how about get back in your ponsy barbie car instead - is it a soft-top??
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10k structure with a one hour clock has always been pretty standard in big buy in events & i have no objection to it , i know people want value for money nowadays but there is still plenty of play with a structure like this, looking forward to this event , think the only way il be playing it though is if i satellite into it , if not the main event - il be definitely playing one of the supporting events , regardless its gonna be a great few days , 1st time a big big tourney has been held in galway , bring it on
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LuckyLloyd wrote: »Sigh. This is all rather silly. If you don't have patience, so what. I couldn't give a ****. Most good players do. Patience and discipline seems to be an important part of playing good poker.
I agree but poker is also about gambling, we dont gamble totally because we feel like it we gamble out of neccessity. everytime you shove from the button into the blind you are partially gambling ok and educated gamble but still. I get the impression from you Lloyd that gambling is just not in your nature maybe im wrong you seem to look down on "gamblers"LuckyLloyd wrote: »But the bolded part is the really silly part. You may choose to NIT it up in this type of structure. But it is not a neccesity. The great thing about deep structures is that you have the room to play any game you like. You have the chips to put pressure on players playing too tight - room to take flops with a wider range early because of massive implied odds; room to float flops and turns and have chips behind to make plays on the river. Or, you can sit around and play a very tight range and lean on the structure. Like Mike said in his thread about the deepstack game - you can expect to see a wide variety of styles.
this part i agree with well putLuckyLloyd wrote: »But talk about the fact that you just sit around and wait for the boots and win a few races on a crapshooty final table is utter nonesense IMO. I still dont understand the logic being espoused by Bops and Richie that more than 10k chips and 1hr levels produces a BETTER late structure than 15k+ and 1hr+ levels?????
How does that work?
It works like this, The more chips you start with the longer you can survive in the tournament, yes, which means in the latter stages as the blinds rise there will be more players meaning the average stack in relation to the blinds will be less meaning slightly less play. You can say you make up for this with the more chips in play but it doesnt really work like this. You have more and more players hanging on for dear life meaning the big stack are not so big and there are loads of shortys hanging aboutLuckyLloyd wrote: »And finally Bops, this talk of "having to play poker to survive" is rubbish. What that translates as is "having to go all - in pre - flop or on the flop more". lol donkaments. I don't have much experience of playing tournaments in the southeast. But maybe you guys are good at shoving in preflop and winning races. Fine. But a structure that takes you all out of your comfort zone and forces you to adapt your game a little doesn't make it a bad structure.
Poker is gambling, not totally gambling as i agree its more skill than gambling but playing short stack poker is a skill of nlh which requires a williness to gamble and i get the impression you just cant handle, ok none of us like playin ninja poker but its a part of the game, deal with it. You speak of comfort zones Lloyd well your comfort zone seem to be level 1 with gazillions of chips which leaves me wonderin, Has your game changed that much since GJP 1??
I just cant understand why this structure is good enough for the EPT but gets ripped apart on here.0
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