'Live line' caller murdered last night..

peasant

Oh and another thing ...


...sympathy for the family of the dead criminal.

Yes, I do have sympathy for their loss and I don't want to gloat or rub it in in any way, but in my opinion they have 'lost' this family menber a long time ago at the point in time when they as a family failed to prevent him from becoming a criminal.

You don't become a criminal from one day to the other, you're not born a criminal either, it's a long, steady slope down. A functioning family should be able to prevent one of their own from sliding too far down that slope.

So, harsh as that may sound, my sympathy for them is limited.

Mrs_Doyle

I am fairly happy for scum bags like Daly to continue wiping eachother out. One less toe rag on the streets.

Lizzykins

peasant wrote: »

Oh and another thing ...


...sympathy for the family of the dead criminal.

Yes, I do have sympathy for their loss and I don't want to gloat or rub it in in any way, but in my opinion they have 'lost' this family menber a long time ago at the point in time when they as a family failed to prevent him from becoming a criminal.

You don't become a criminal from one day to the other, you're not born a criminal either, it's a long, steady slope down. A functioning family should be able to prevent one of their own from sliding too far down that slope.

So, harsh as that may sound, my sympathy for them is limited.

+1

Cheeky_gal

How ****in disrespectful....:eek:

Terry

Mordeth, as I cannot infract a fellow mod, you should consider this a warning.

Nobody will mourn the loss of scumbags in 60 years time.
There is no correlation between Jewish people and scumbags in this instance and you were clearly trying to get a dig in at Mairt.

Mairt, one account is enough, thanks.

peasant

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

How ****in disrespectful....:eek:

Who? or what? is disrespectful?

Dudess

What I read is that Mordeth was drawing an analogy between Mairt gloating at this murder (of a scumbag yes, but still a murder) and a person of Nazi leanings gloating at the murder of a Jew 60 years ago. The fact that Mairt's partner is Jewish just drove it that bit further home. I really don't see how that's an attack on her religion.

It's not really comparing like with like though. Jews were murdered by Nazis for what they were. This guy was murdered for what he did.

Initially I thought "Yay! One less scumbag" (yes, even PC old me!) but r3nu4l's point about his relative was quite poignant.

tallus

peasant wrote: »

Oh and another thing ...


...sympathy for the family of the dead criminal.

Yes, I do have sympathy for their loss and I don't want to gloat or rub it in in any way, but in my opinion they have 'lost' this family menber a long time ago at the point in time when they as a family failed to prevent him from becoming a criminal.

You don't become a criminal from one day to the other, you're not born a criminal either, it's a long, steady slope down. A functioning family should be able to prevent one of their own from sliding too far down that slope.

So, harsh as that may sound, my sympathy for them is limited.

Totally agree with this, best post of the thread so far.

tallus

Dudess wrote: »

What I read is that Mordeth was drawing an analogy between Mairt gloating at this murder (of a scumbag yes, but still a murder) and a person of Nazi leanings gloating at the murder of a Jew 60 years ago. The fact that Mairt's partner is Jewish just drove it that bit further home. I really don't see how that's an attack on her religion.

It's not really comparing like with like though. Jews were murdered by Nazis for what they were. This guy was murdered for what he did.

Initially I thought "Yay! One less scumbag" (yes, even PC old me!) but r3nu4l's point about his relative was quite poignant.

+1 I thought the same too.

the boss of me

Let's not forget the innocent victim of this crime, the taxi driver. Apparently Daly slumped over the driver when shot and the gunman continued to pump shot into his his body.

This poor man, a father of three, will probably never drive a taxi again and is severely traumatised according to reports. He was very lucky not to suffer the same fate as Anthony Campbell.

So maybe before rejoicing in the violent murder of a gang member we should spare a thought for the innocent victims .

Dudess

Yeah, he's apparently in a terrible way. His cousin was on the news describing the state he's in. Poor man. But yes, it could have been worse.

gyppo

Dudess wrote: »

What I read is that Mordeth was drawing an analogy between Mairt gloating at this murder (of a scumbag yes, but still a murder) and a person of Nazi leanings gloating at the murder of a Jew 60 years ago. The fact that Mairt's partner is Jewish just drove it that bit further home. I really don't see how that's an attack on her religion.

It's not really comparing like with like though. Jews were murdered by Nazis for what they were. This guy was murdered for what he did.

Initially I thought "Yay! One less scumbag" (yes, even PC old me!) but r3nu4l's point about his relative was quite poignant.

Very well put together post.

While I have no sympathy for the person who was shot, I felt that the OP's post was insensitive to the deceased persons family, of whom I doubt he has any knowledge of (nor do I claim to have any, btw). The fact remains that this person was someones child or sibling - its very easy to speculate and assume things about this persons background - he's a loss to them, and they have a right to grieve with some dignity.

Dub_girl_101

peasant wrote: »

Who? or what? is disrespectful?

That comment by Mairt..the very first one

"HAHAHA.
Another cocksucker gets it in the head" ....jesus...

tech77

6th wrote: »

I'm pretty sure he was shot.

???
Yes I know.
It's an expression.

Mossy Monk

I wont cry over the death of another scumbag,

MooseJam

the boss of me wrote: »

Let's not forget the innocent victim of this crime, the taxi driver.

I dunno if I could ever call a taxi driver innocent

the boss of me

MooseJam wrote: »

I dunno if I could ever call a taxi driver innocent

That's beneath contempt

Dudess

Ah, After Hours gets like that.

Thank you for logging in, BossArky...

gurramok

peasant wrote: »

While scumbags killing each other off may seem like a nice, tidy 'solution' to the problem, it isn't.

Like it was said on the last word (which I sort of semi-overhaerd while driving home) these scumbags rule through fear.

The main reason why they're still out there, is because there is not enough evidence (hard solid evidence, not hearsay) to convict them.

One of the reasons why there isn't any evidence is because nobody will testify against them.

And the reason why nobody testifies against them is because everybody is afraid for their lives and those of their families.

Because these criminils have no problems with shooting members of rival gangs who are brutal, ruthless and armed.

How little problems would they have shooting the likes of you and me who are unarmed and helpless/clueless?

So long as we tolerate these gangland murders (or even quietly applaud them), the circle of fear will stay intact and these guys stay untouchable.

Well said Peasant, if only Bertie thought like you:)..thats the root of the problem you described.

You'd want to be on a suicide mission to testify against a gunman in your community these days.

There is a reason why 85%+ of few hundred gangland murders remain unsolved in this country in the last 10 years, peasant just described that reason.

Now its up to the authorities to provide real witness protection and trial by non-jury to put these murderers away.
When i say murderers, i think of the innocent victims of all this mayhem(plumber, coolock partygoer, car salesman in Walkinstown and they are just the ones who died nevermind the countless traumitised ones like the taxi driver last night etc)

SimpleSam06

Mordeth wrote: »

you give your moral compass an inch, it'll take a mile

once you start accepting ideas like 'who cares if they get killed, they're scum' it's not that slippery a slope to that idea morphing into other less desireable ones.

On the contrary I find that while the killing of scumbags causes me to lose no sleep whatsoever, if someone was to start randomly killing say, for example, black people innocent of any crime, that would upset me greatly.

So its not a slippery slope, and I'll just point out that the slippery slope argument is one of the most commonly used to cover a persons tracks when they are acting the prick.

Zzippy

tech77 wrote: »

???
Yes I know.
It's an expression.

Its After Hours. Maybe turn your humour switch to ON when you enter this forum

It was funny.....

Dave!

MooseJam wrote: »

I dunno if I could ever call a taxi driver innocent

lulz...

lawhec

Let this shooting be a lesson to anyone who phones into Liveline.






Seriously, scumbag shooting scumbag doesn't worry me one bit. Its the likes of the poor taxi driver whom I have sympathy for. If it could all be "contained" with scum ripping each other away from the rest of society it'll be all fine and dandy. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way, and IMHO while corruption exists in the high office of the state there will be little done right about it.

Not to mention the 40" wide screen plamsa telly, budgies, hookers, coke etc!

How the f**k do ye hold a 40" plasma TV in yer rectum to smuggle in? :eek:

humanji

the boss of me wrote: »

Let's not forget the innocent victim of this crime, the taxi driver. Apparently Daly slumped over the driver when shot and the gunman continued to pump shot into his his body.

This poor man, a father of three, will probably never drive a taxi again and is severely traumatised according to reports. He was very lucky not to suffer the same fate as Anthony Campbell.

So maybe before rejoicing in the violent murder of a gang member we should spare a thought for the innocent victims .

Well there were 7 people in the car. The victim, the taxi driver, 2 guys and 3 girls. On the news they said that the guys were very gentlemanly and did a legger, leaving the 3 girls screaming in the taxi.

DaBreno

lawhec wrote: »

Let this shooting be a lesson to anyone who phones into Liveline.

Excellent!

Spook_ie

MooseJam wrote: »

I dunno if I could ever call a taxi driver innocent

Troll you deserve at least a warning if not an outright ban

Terry

Poccington, less of the unfounded rumours.

Spook_ie, if you think someone is trolling, please report the post.
Not that one though, because I just see that as a joke.

hopalong85

Spook_ie wrote: »

Troll you deserve at least a warning if not an outright ban

lol, a valiant crusade you have embarked on in the name of taxi drivers there spook.

JMSE

the unfortunate taxi driver deserves a new life with his family in the carribean and a million dollars to bank with the compliments of the government who have spent 10 years sitting back letting law and order LAPSE

its gone like that old movie fort apache the bronx in this $hitehole country, and fianna fail are still spinning yarns but not getting too bothered about anything only their lies and gaffs

i love this country for where its come from and hate it for where it has arrived

Seth Brundle

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote: »

Tell that to the Garda recently shot by some scumbag stealing a car.

He was in a stolen car, but was up to something a lot worse - possibly a hit!

ixoy wrote: »

It was the fact he was able to say anything - he was in jail. He rang into the show from jail on a mobile phone that he had smuggled in. The officers, appalled that the general public finally knew this happened, cracked down and a lot of other fellow pieces of scum had their equally smuggled phones taken off of them.
They weren't happy...

They all were in the maximum security wing FFS! How did all that stuff get in without the screws knowledge?!?!

Mrs_Doyle wrote: »

I am fairly happy for scum bags like Daly to continue wiping eachother out. One less toe rag on the streets.

But you are happy for his murder to be still out there? For every one killed, there is one just as bad walking away, high on coke with a smoking gun in their hand!

lawhec wrote: »

How the f**k do ye hold a 40" plasma TV in yer rectum to smuggle in? :eek:

Did you not see the South Park episode Cartman's Silly Hate Crime - he managed top get Disney's Monorail up there!

WoollyRedHat

6th wrote: »

I'm pretty sure he was shot.

lol

drdre

thats good another major scumbag off the street.

orestes

On less scum-bag in the world? I fail to see the problem.

EamonnKeane

On the news they said that the guys were very gentlemanly and did a legger, leaving the 3 girls screaming in the taxi.

Did they not also have legs on which to run?

They all were in the maximum security wing FFS! How did all that stuff get in without the screws knowledge?!?!

Um, obviously they were bribed/intimidated.

i love this country for where its come from and hate it for where it has arrived

The murder rate in the 19th century was 4 times higher than the 2007 level. My great-grandfather was stabbed in Ennis (survived) over a hundred years ago, long before Gangland Terror Stalked The Streets Of Ireland.

if someone was to start randomly killing say, for example, black people innocent of any crime, that would upset me greatly.

Good to know.

Black Swan

Thread title:
No longer a "live one"?

togster

Mairt wrote: »

Ya know what. Unlike most people here I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong.

.

O...M...G :rolleyes:

humanji

EamonnKeane wrote: »

Did they not also have legs on which to run?

You're missing the point.

Heisenberg.

This post has been deleted.

6th

tech77 wrote: »

Live by the sword etc..

6th wrote: »

I'm pretty sure he was shot.

tech77 wrote: »

???
Yes I know.
It's an expression.

Oh, I see.

Laslo

what's the difference between what you're saying here, and what somebody might have said about your jewish wife 60 odd years ago?

D'uh!

One less piece of dog s**t on the streets. Hallelujah!

drdre

orestes wrote: »

On less scum-bag in the world? I fail to see the problem.

Same as me, Hope to see more high level gang leaders killed.

peasant

drdre wrote: »

Same as me, Hope to see more high level gang leaders killed.

Only problem is ...the dead ones get replaced

cornbb

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

On the contrary I find that while the killing of scumbags causes me to lose no sleep whatsoever

lawhec wrote: »

Seriously, scumbag shooting scumbag doesn't worry me one bit.

drdre wrote: »

thats good another major scumbag off the street.

orestes wrote: »

On less scum-bag in the world? I fail to see the problem.

Laslo wrote: »

One less piece of dog s**t on the streets. Hallelujah!

drdre wrote: »

Same as me, Hope to see more high level gang leaders killed.

Well we're headed for a bonanza record year of murders, I hope all ye cheerleaders are happy :rolleyes:

ireland.com wrote:

The Republic's murder rate is on course to reach record levels by the end of the year following a significant increase in domestic and stabbing murders as well as an upsurge in gangland violence in recent weeks, write Conor Lally and Mark Hennessy .

drdre

peasant wrote: »

Only problem is ...the dead ones get replaced

I know what you mean but if you kill of the MAIN guys then atleast some activity will slow down.Theres always going to be some but if most are gone then it shouldnt be as bad.

Seth Brundle

Several 'main guys' have been killed in the past and all it did was cause a blip in supply. As for most being gone - nature abhors a vacuum - as there can be some nice earnings (short term) in that business, when one goes another is ready to take their place

gyppo

cornbb wrote: »

Well we're headed for a bonanza record year of murders, I hope all ye cheerleaders are happy :rolleyes:

+1

peasant

drdre wrote: »

I know what you mean but if you kill of the MAIN guys then atleast some activity will slow down.Theres always going to be some but if most are gone then it shouldnt be as bad.

Sorry drdre, but that is quite a naive thing to say.

Simply because whoever kills the MAIN guy, then becomes the new MAIN guy and everybody underneath him moves up one step on the ladder, creating new openings which are soon filled.

Only the names and faces change, the criminal structure remains the same.

Slow Motion

peasant wrote: »

Only the names and faces change, the criminal structure remains the same.

Meet the new boss ! Same as the old boss !

lawhec

cornbb wrote: »

Well we're headed for a bonanza record year of murders, I hope all ye cheerleaders are happy :rolleyes:

I've no problem with a slight blip in the records if the scum cleans itself off the streets.

cornbb

lawhec wrote: »

I've no problem with a slight blip in the records if the scum cleans itself off the streets.

A scumbag being murdered on the streets doesn't lead to fewer scumbags. It leads to more scumbags realising they can get away with murder and in turn, more scumbags, more armed robberies, more muggings, beatings, rapes and more revenge murders. Its a cycle. "One less scumbag on the streets" won't help.