Native american indian dog

LovelyTom

thanks for that wyk

wyk

LovelyTom wrote: »

thanks for that wyk

Pas du Problem.

And while I am at it, allow this North American Indian to put in a plug for the local Greyhound Rescues. These dogs work so hard, and are often descarded after their careers are over, and sometimes even before, to the tune of thousands a year. Please do what ya can.

Wes

Nala

Thanks for that post wyk, seems like those dogs really are somewhat of a waste of money after all, if they are just an imitation. Not really surprising as they are possibly sold -and sell- to some people if not many, purely because they sound impressive.

lightening

Nala...

Nala wrote: »

Great, enjoy your "blah's", as you kindly refer to rescue dogs.

Read my earlier post about rehoming dogs.

Nala wrote: »

As for the OP, I am not sure how you can tell from his original post that he is not familiar with dogs, but maybe you can.

He is on here asking for advice and graciously taking it on. I'm no Sherlock Homes, but he strikes me as not being overly familiar with dogs.

Nala

lightening wrote: »

I do my bit Nala, believe me. Just because I don't brag and whine about it, doesn't mean I don't do my bit.

So if any of us mention having a rescued animal we are bragging or whining about it? That's nice. I am actually proud to say I have rescued animals. I'm not going to hide the fact I have rescued animals in fear of you thinking I'm bragging.

Our man in Havana

Play nice folks or there will be bannings. It will take just one more reported post. You are on notice now.

Whispered

I have been reading this thread with great amusement at the start which has now turned to annoyance. Many of us rescue, rehome, donate to animal charities etc however we dont feel the need to come on here making people feel bad about their decisions. It's self rightous attitudes like that which make people avoid animal shelters etc.

~Thalia~

wyk wrote: »

I am Native American myself. And let me tell you, these dogs are only 'recreations' of the NAIDs. True NAID's are bred from Wolves(as are most dogs. But Native American dogs were not far removed from the North American Gray Wolf - http://www.cosmosmith.com/gray_wolves.html ). In the States we call the modern version of these dogs "hyBrids" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfdog - note how similar the OP's dog appears. They are VERY dangerous, and unpredictable compared to typical domestic dogs. They only make pets for those with a good amount of land, and a good amount of experience with the breed. What you get in Europe is a European interpretation of this dog. Which, looking at the dog info I can find on the internet, is nothing like the dogs the Native Americans had(which varied greatly, as well, BTW).

If you were to ask me, and you haven't, it is a gimmick to sell dogs. The OP subject is a breed made specifically for it's looks, and then given a misleading label.

WYK
Southern Cherokee
Texas, USA.

You know looking at the pics of the NAIDs I did think they looked like wolf hybrids and was going to ask but thought it might sound a bit stupid so thanks for confiming that I'm not a total idiot!

wyk

LovelyTom wrote: »

thanks for that wyk

Tom,

I did some searching this morning and found a few sites in the US that have actual NAID/Hybrids. The costs are actually quite affordable. They are legal in Texas, where I am from. I am new to Ireland, and have no idea how legal wolf hybrids are here. I wouldn't be surprised if they were barred with the state BSL's here:

http://www.starcrosswolves.com/LOCATIONmaps.html

http://www.aaapets.com/pet_lovers/breeds/wolf.php

It usually costs about 400 Euro to ship a dog from the states one way, handling not included. However, since the US doesn't really participate in the pet passport scheme, you will have to make the breeder familiar with this, pay for all the shots, wait 6 months between two blood work samples, and THEN ship the cub. Otherwise the cub will have to wait in quarantine here in Eire; which is very difficult for a dog to go through, and likely will incur further costs. If you pay up front, most American breeders of good repute will accommodate you.

Though I am a big proponent of the rescues, and believe most people are served just fine with any old mutt that has a personality that fits them. Some folks aren't even aware that there are such great rescue options, as well. I also believe in the freedom to choose. If someone prefers a certain breed for whichever reason, that is their choics. I think it's a good idea to let folks know what their options are, but to demean them for their choices is often unwarranted.

I wanted a guard dog for my house, but didn't want just ANY guard dog. So I began looking around at my options. I ended up with a Hungarian Komondor:

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/komondor.htm http://www.dog.com/breed/Komondor.asp
Here he is shaved for the summer along with my Greyhound:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YC8me578MVw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TfTa0__MtvQ

It took me 9 months of waiting with the Komondor rescue to acquire him. He is 3 years old, and in good health. The breeders did not want him because of his slightly pinkish nose(only black noses can be bred) and his small size for his breed at 100 lbs.

So, even with 'odd breeds' there may still be a rescue option.

Wez

Dyr

wyk wrote: »

Tom,

I did some searching this morning and found a few sites in the US that have actual NAID/Hybrids. The costs are actually quite affordable. They are legal in Texas, where I am from. I am new to Ireland, and have no idea how legal wolf hybrids are here. I wouldn't be surprised if they were barred with the state BSL's here:

http://www.starcrosswolves.com/LOCATIONmaps.html

http://www.aaapets.com/pet_lovers/breeds/wolf.php

It usually costs about 400 Euro to ship a dog from the states one way, handling not included. However, since the US doesn't really participate in the pet passport scheme, you will have to make the breeder familiar with this, pay for all the shots, wait 6 months between two blood work samples, and THEN ship the cub. Otherwise the cub will have to wait in quarantine here in Eire; which is very difficult for a dog to go through, and likely will incur further costs. If you pay up front, most American breeders of good repute will accommodate you.

Though I am a big proponent of the rescues, and believe most people are served just fine with any old mutt that has a personality that fits them. Some folks aren't even aware that there are such great rescue options, as well. I also believe in the freedom to choose. If someone prefers a certain breed for whichever reason, that is their choics. I think it's a good idea to let folks know what their options are, but to demean them for their choices is often unwarranted.

I wanted a guard dog for my house, but didn't want just ANY guard dog. So I began looking around at my options. I ended up with a Hungarian Komondor:

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/komondor.htm http://www.dog.com/breed/Komondor.asp
Here he is shaved for the summer along with my Greyhound:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YC8me578MVw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TfTa0__MtvQ

It took me 9 months of waiting with the Komondor rescue to acquire him. He is 3 years old, and in good health. The breeders did not want him because of his slightly pinkish nose(only black noses can be bred) and his small size for his breed at 100 lbs.

So, even with 'odd breeds' there may still be a rescue option.

Wez

I saw a few komondors when i was over in hungary, the folks there said they really werent a pet breed, more shepherd dogs.

wyk

Bambi wrote: »

I saw a few komondors when i was over in hungary, the folks there said they really werent a pet breed, more shepherd dogs.

At the risk of hijacking the thread:

Yes, they were bred to be livestock guardians. Which, of course, means they are guard dogs for sheep etc. I approached the rescue with the following parameters:
I wanted one that was particularly friendly to people, did not want to be out in the flock, and preferred to be indoors. This is why it took 9 months to find one. A Komondor with these attributes is not a good working diog, and often will end up in the Komondor Rescue groups in the US. He was indoors except for when I took him about during chores or to the park, or for exercise. He also slept indoors on a small bed next to mine. He did not like strangers much, and was very protective of both me and my Greyhound. So it worked out brilliantly.

I was, in no way, suggested a Komondor as a pet. This particular breed takes a lot of experience with dogs to train and handle. The breed is extremely strong willed, and made to act and work on it's own. If left uncontrolled in a public environment, they can wreak a good amount of havoc. All you need do is read the breed descriptions I noted:

PERSONALITY:

Strictly a one-man dog. Even then, there is often a struggle for dominance.
Dignified. Only puppies romp and play.
Suspicious and uneasy in strange environments.
Do not seek friendship and do not tolerate being insulted either.
Quiet. Komondorok hardly ever bark. This makes them very dangerous as they do not warn before attacking.

I dunno exactly what they mean by 'insulted' only to take it as they do not tolerate nonsense.




Wez

LovelyTom

wyk wrote: »

Tom,

I did some searching this morning and found a few sites in the US that have actual NAID/Hybrids. The costs are actually quite affordable. They are legal in Texas, where I am from. I am new to Ireland, and have no idea how legal wolf hybrids are here. I wouldn't be surprised if they were barred with the state BSL's here:

http://www.starcrosswolves.com/LOCATIONmaps.html

http://www.aaapets.com/pet_lovers/breeds/wolf.php

It usually costs about 400 Euro to ship a dog from the states one way, handling not included. However, since the US doesn't really participate in the pet passport scheme, you will have to make the breeder familiar with this, pay for all the shots, wait 6 months between two blood work samples, and THEN ship the cub. Otherwise the cub will have to wait in quarantine here in Eire; which is very difficult for a dog to go through, and likely will incur further costs. If you pay up front, most American breeders of good repute will accommodate you.

Though I am a big proponent of the rescues, and believe most people are served just fine with any old mutt that has a personality that fits them. Some folks aren't even aware that there are such great rescue options, as well. I also believe in the freedom to choose. If someone prefers a certain breed for whichever reason, that is their choics. I think it's a good idea to let folks know what their options are, but to demean them for their choices is often unwarranted.

I wanted a guard dog for my house, but didn't want just ANY guard dog. So I began looking around at my options. I ended up with a Hungarian Komondor:

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/komondor.htm http://www.dog.com/breed/Komondor.asp
Here he is shaved for the summer along with my Greyhound:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YC8me578MVw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TfTa0__MtvQ

It took me 9 months of waiting with the Komondor rescue to acquire him. He is 3 years old, and in good health. The breeders did not want him because of his slightly pinkish nose(only black noses can be bred) and his small size for his breed at 100 lbs.

So, even with 'odd breeds' there may still be a rescue option.

Wez

thanks a lot wyk, I'm still unsure of what my decision is but thanks a lot for all the help

Amimad

Tom,

Putting my neck out here, it might get biten off:eek: if I suggest looking at a Northern Inuit. Friends of mine in Galway & roscommon have them, they make lovely companion dogs & look like wolves. They are only lookalikes & have no actual wolf blood in them. Just google the breed & you'll find loads a bout them, PM me if you want contact details of owners.

On a personal note, & considering the way this thread has gone buy-v-rescue.
I have had 2 rescues in the past (still have one) both loving dogs but with issues, even though both came to me at an early age. Don't get me wrong Timmy whom I still have has made huge leaps & bounds but it has taken more than 6 years. Oh & I wouldn't be with out him.

I also have 2 Kelpies, a breed which I heavily researched & decided was for me. It took me 2 years to be sure.

I guess what I'm trying to say is do what seems right for your circumstances.
What ever little four legged friend you end up with good luck:)

Ami

peasant

Amimad wrote: »

...
On a personal note, & considering the way this thread has gone buy-v-rescue.
I have had 2 rescues in the past (still have one) both loving dogs but with issues, even though both came to me at an early age....

Just on that note:

We have three dogs, two rescues (that came to us aged 5 and 18 months)one purebred (that we bought at 12 weeks old)
No issues with the rescues whatsoever, the purebred on the other hand is gaga. Thankfully not dangerous, but gaga all the same.

Glowing

It bugs me when people bring up the 'rescue dogs have issues' argument - it's true in a very VERY few cases, but there is absolutely nothing to say that if you buy a pedigree from a breeder, that they're not going to have 'issues' too.

Rescue dogs have sometimes been abandoned, mistreated, or found as strays, but that's no guarantee that they won't make fantastic pets or that they're in any way dangerous. Sometimes these dogs have been surrendered by loving families that for some reason can't look after them any longer, and there are plenty of young pups to be found too.

The 'rescue dogs have issues' argument is just another myth out there which will dispell any hope of us rehoming these pets with the general public .. and we've little chance as it is.

fits

2 rescues and zero issues with me also...

That said, if I really did fancy a particular breed (after Id done all the research etc...) I'd buy one (from a good breeder of course) and I wouldnt feel one bit guilty about it...

Glowing

fits wrote: »

2 rescues and zero issues with me also...

That said, if I really did fancy a particular breed (after Id done all the research etc...) I'd buy one (from a good breeder of course) and I wouldnt feel one bit guilty about it...

Well you've obviously got the sense firstly to do the research to ensure the breed in question is suitable for your environment and your lifestyle, and secondly, do put the effort into finding a responsible breeder.

The problem is that many people don't put the thought into it, and just want a cute/hard/cool dog irrespective of their suitability and will buy from some randomer in the Buy & Sell.

When I think of all the christmas-pups who will end up in a pound somewhere .... grrrrrr.

Anyway, sorry for hijacking the thread ...!

racso1975

Again if somebody comes on this section and asks about a particular breed why should they be bombarded with rescue options however should the title be "looking for a dog but have no preference" then by all means suggest the rescue option

People's opinion on buying dogs have been well documented in previous threads.

But can we not for once stop attacking people who choose they dont want a rescue dog!!!!!!

Amimad

OMG you can't say anything on here without being misunderstood:(.
It makes me think it's not even worth sharing my views/experiences/stories:(

lightening

Amimad wrote: »

It makes me think it's not even worth sharing my views/experiences/stories:(

Exactly what I thought would happen. The moderator has warned them and clamped down.

It would be a shame if people were afraid to come on asking advice in fear of being attacked. The majority of people in here give great advice though.