Berite and the boys get pay rise!!

2Scoops

bluewolf wrote: »

Isn't there something we can do about this?

Collectively, we had an opportunity to do something about this last summer. Wait a few years and we'll get another.

biko

March in the streets

ScumLord

We should start a petition!

Bertie and ministers should not only refuse the raise but take, even a 5% pay cut as a show of good faith to the Irish public.

_Kaiser_

2Scoops wrote: »

Collectively, we had an opportunity to do something about this last summer. Wait a few years and we'll get another.

Be realistic.. would "the alternative" have been any different? Politics in Ireland is about getting in, and STAYING in so as to feather your own nest and look after your family and mates with equally cushy jobs. Ethics isn't in most of their vocabularies.

2Scoops

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Be realistic.. would "the alternative" have been any different? Politics in Ireland is about getting in, and STAYING in so as to feather your own nest and look after your family and mates with equally cushy jobs. Ethics isn't in most of their vocabularies.

Point taken. Any chance there are people of integrity willing to run next time? And, of course, any chance the plain people of Ireland will vote for them? How depressing.

Jesus Wept

Stereonick wrote: »

Wasn't Steve Staunton getting €400,000? That kind of puts it in perspective. And Gerry Ryan must be getting more

Wtf has Gerry Ryan got do with this?

Tbh, the public sector are way over paid anyhow, it's a joke, it should of been addressed long ago. It costs €247k per year to keep a prisoner in Portlaoise Prison, a lot of that is down to the massive wages prison guards are on, not to say they don't work hard, it's exorbitant.

ScumLord wrote: »

We should start a petition!

Bertie and ministers should not only refuse the raise but take, even a 5% pay cut as a show of good faith to the Irish public.

Yea, great idea, a petition! That will get us far. :rolleyes::p

biko wrote: »

March in the streets

That's more like it, but it won't happen, I'd turn up outside the dail tomorrow if I thought there would be good support, but there won't be.

orestes wrote: »

Revolution anybody?

Join Teh Revolution

Zzippy

The-Rigger wrote: »

Tbh, the public sector are way over paid anyhow, it's a joke, it should of been addressed long ago.

Really? That's why teachers, nurses, civil servants, etc can't afford to buy a house... FFS, its only at the very top that these pay rises are happening, the rest of us aren't getting 30% pay increases I can assure you. That's why I'm paying nearly 50% of my net income on a mortgage...... way overpaid me bollix! :rolleyes:

dobsdave

I only came into this thread to see who this Berite guy was!
Sorry, continue.:D

paconnors

bluewolf wrote: »

Isn't there something we can do about this?

Yep, Dont Vote

2Scoops wrote: »

Collectively, we had an opportunity to do something about this last summer. Wait a few years and we'll get another.

Same thing will happen again,

i dont think i'l ever bother voting again as we the joe public paying their wages thru our own hard work, its a load of bollix

Savman

I hate Berite.

l3LoWnA

timmywex wrote: »

Taoiseach to receive €38k pay rise
Thursday, 25 October 2007 16:27
The Taoiseach is set to receive a pay rise of €38,000 a year, which will bring his annual salary to €310,000.

:mad::mad::mad:

I'm a working in a low paid job in the Civil Service, and along with Personnel NOT giving me my TINY increment (well to them it's tiny, to me it is MASSIVE - about a full tenner a week like!:rolleyes:Well, it genuinely IS alot to me) this year, because I had a few sick days in the previous 12 months (not even two weeks altogether), they refused a Medical Certificate for a day I took off a few weeks ago because the didn't recieve it within 7 days?! I was sick for three weeks, and went to work every day coughing and spluttering all over the place with colleagues even telling me they "caught" my illness from me. Anyways, I took ONE day off to go to the doc to get anti-biotics etc.(A thursday and came back to work on the friday even though doc had said "how long do you want cert for???") As my Supervisor wasn't available to give my cert to I gave it to him a few days later and he sent it to personnel. Personnel had the cheek to send back my cert to me saying it was a "general enough rule" not to accept a Cert 7 days after an illness?!!?!?! hello? It was signed by my doctor and dated etc A$$$$$$$$$HOLES!!!!! they'd do anything to save a few bob in order for the big lads to live the high life!!!

They're taking money from us poor and giving it to the rich - go figure!!

Jesus Wept

Galwayguy99 wrote: »

Really? That's why teachers, nurses, civil servants, etc can't afford to buy a house... FFS, its only at the very top that these pay rises are happening, the rest of us aren't getting 30% pay increases I can assure you. That's why I'm paying nearly 50% of my net income on a mortgage...... way overpaid me bollix! :rolleyes:

I retract my sweeping generaliation that 'the public sector' are overpaid.
But elements of the public sector are without doubt overpaid, and have way more holidays and benefits than the private sector.

On that list would be Government officials, RTE, Prison guards and probably Berite, whoever that is.

Outer Bongolia

The-Rigger wrote: »

Wtf has Gerry Ryan got do with this?

Gerry Ryan is involved with EVERYTHING

We are also paying his wages. Bertie gives better value. 500,000 of Gerry Ryan's income goes on steaks and wine.


But seriously, in the present climate, looking at the earnings of CEOs and solicitors, I would have thought Bertie would get a lot more

daniel3982

I'm going to name my son Berite in honour of this amazing news. Hopefully he too will be rich and provide for me in my retirement.

0ubliette

Dont blame me, i didnt vote for him.
rot in hell bertie, you're the worst thing to ever happen to this country. Even the famine had its good points.

Sleepy

Galwayguy99 wrote: »

Really? That's why teachers, nurses, civil servants, etc can't afford to buy a house... FFS, its only at the very top that these pay rises are happening, the rest of us aren't getting 30% pay increases I can assure you. That's why I'm paying nearly 50% of my net income on a mortgage...... way overpaid me bollix! :rolleyes:

You can get a mortgage can't you?

Most of the private sector actually earn less than their public sector counterpoints at this stage and we certainly don't have the same job security, state guaranteed pensions, flexibility in the workplace or other benefits.

Have to admit, I'm beginning to think the only way this country can be saved is through a series of assasinations.

phasers

it's still only one third of what Pat Kenny earns

so the real question here is:
why is Pat Kenny still on television

Reku

phasers wrote: »

so the real question here is:
why is Pat Kenny still on television

Regardless of earnings that alone worries me, he's awful at interviewing people!

SimpleSam06

The-Rigger wrote: »

Tbh, the public sector are way over paid anyhow, it's a joke, it should of been addressed long ago. It costs €247k per year to keep a prisoner in Portlaoise Prison, a lot of that is down to the massive wages prison guards are on, not to say they don't work hard, it's exorbitant.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out when the economy runs full tilt into a wall over the coming years, as I'm fairly sure it will. Will it be spliffs or sedition, I wonder?

l3LoWnA wrote: »

:mad::mad::mad: They're taking money from us poor and giving it to the rich - go figure!!

How much do you pay towards your pension? Because if you were in the private sector, you'd have to be saving around half of your pay for 30 years to receive a similar pension. But of course benchmarking doesn't take that into account.

Outer Bongolia

So whoever becomes the next Taoiseach, Brian Cowen or Enda Kenny or whoever, will have this big shiny new package waiting for them

connundrum

Savman wrote: »

I hate Berite.

QFT. Although if my name was Berite, you'd have to give me a few bob every time my name was printed. I can only imagine the slagging he gets in the pob having a few pintes with the lades.

Zzippy

Sleepy wrote: »

You can get a mortgage can't you?

Most of the private sector actually earn less than their public sector counterpoints at this stage and we certainly don't have the same job security, state guaranteed pensions, flexibility in the workplace or other benefits.

Have to admit, I'm beginning to think the only way this country can be saved is through a series of assasinations.

Out of all my mates, 2 of us work in public sector, and 9-10 in private sector. I guarantee the private sector guys are all earning 20-60K more than either of us, depending on how successful they've been (one or two haven't gone that far but are still on much better money). Agree on the assassinations though. I have my hitlist drawn up...

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

How much do you pay towards your pension? Because if you were in the private sector, you'd have to be saving around half of your pay for 30 years to receive a similar pension. But of course benchmarking doesn't take that into account.

Well lets see, I was 7 years temporary before they'd even give me a permanent contract, so I'm now buying back those 7 years at 4K a year just so I'll have 40 years service instead of 33 when I retire. On top of that, I'll have to make AVCs when I can afford it after finishing paying off that 28K.

Contrary to public opinion, people in different sectors of the public service have different terms of employment, including different pension rights. For instance, Defence Forces get full pension after 21 years, guards after 30 years, my section 40 years. Not sure about Civil Service. And a full pension is actually half your salary.

I started paying into a private pension when I was temporary, and bacause I started young I wouldn't have to pay half my salary as you suggest to get a decent pension. Can't pay into it anymore due to tax penalties. The later you start it, then yeah, you might have to pay half your salary to have a pension worth anything. But that would be your own fault...

Hail 2 Da Chimp

Fuck Bertie right in his stupid fucking ass!!!


/rant over!

grahamo

Well for Bertie & his mates. Its no coincidence this happens as soon as an election is out of the way. I still haven't even got me 3% due under towards 2016. I was due that pay rise last year and I'm still waiting!

gurramok

Galwayguy99 wrote: »

Really? That's why teachers, nurses, civil servants, etc can't afford to buy a house... FFS, its only at the very top that these pay rises are happening, the rest of us aren't getting 30% pay increases I can assure you. That's why I'm paying nearly 50% of my net income on a mortgage...... way overpaid me bollix! :rolleyes:

Thats a separate issue, we have a housing bubble.

If your paying 50% of your wages on a mortgage it sounds like you borrowed wayyy too much.

Consider those of us on less than teachers, nurses, civil servants, etc, we are all in the same boat on the housing issue.

Terry

Any unproven allegations of corruption will result in a ban.
Carry on.

Spyral

the bastards can make sure they get paid and I dont even get my fees paid in uni.. feckers.

Mr. Incognito

The Irish Dail only sits 96 day's of the year. Why are we comparing them with the private sector? Let them work a 40 hr week and then we can compare them. And constituency work my ass.

Anyone that voted for this proven shower of money wasters has no right to complain now. The writing was on the wall.

What pisses me off is half the people gripeing will still be stupid enough to go vote FF at the next election because that's Daddy and Mommy's party. Cop on.

I started paying into a private pension when I was temporary, and bacause I started young I wouldn't have to pay half my salary as you suggest to get a decent pension. Can't pay into it anymore due to tax penalties.

What tax penalties are you suffering for a pension? I'm a tax consultant. PM me.

Jesus Wept

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Reku

The-Rigger wrote: »

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ROFL
Too true, too true...

EoC

Annoyed then please sign and pass on petition

http://www.gopetition.com/online/14927.html

Regards EoC

ScumLord

Signed. I was just about to post one meself.

ferdi

anyone know of a good Grass Knoll in drumcondra?

gurramok

Signed. Bertie apparently has defended the pay rise, talk about pure ignorance

Mr.Micro

gurramok wrote: »

Signed. Bertie apparently has defended the pay rise, talk about pure ignorance

To be expected ,Politicians do not do modesty just inflated egos and self worth.

ScumLord

The body has recommended that Mr Ahern's salary be increased to €310,000 per annum to match the equivalent private-sector wage.

How many Taoiseach's operate in the Private sector? This is garbage. Who apointed this independant body and do they go to the same dinner partys as bertie?

Sleepy

Just mailed that petition to my entire address book!

Macha

I have another idea, email the link to the Wiki page on Benchmarking to the offending Review body:

info@reviewbody.gov.ie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benchmarking

The concept is obviously alien to them

Collapsing health service? Pay freeze in health sector? Finance minister telling us to 'tighten our belts'? Increase of 50% in murder rate?

Pay rises & backslaps for everyone in the audience!

marcsignal

That money was just resting in his account

meglome

blah wrote: »

According to Wikipedia*
President of USA $400,000 = €281,452
Prime Minister of UK £187,611 = €269,324


*not necessarily reliable

I'd like to firstly say 1. I'm a capitalist and 2. I run a business. My point being I have no issue with anyone's pay per se.

But these pay rises are out of ****ing orbit. This means Bertie get's more than the US President, the Prime Minister of the UK and the German Chancellor... WTF? We are on an economic downturn and it time for the boys at the top to jack up their pay. If this was a corporation and figures were not up to expectations there would be murder from the shareholders if they got pay rises like these. Well I'm a shareholder in this particular corporation and I'm pissed off. **** Fianna Fail.

tech77

Galwayguy99 wrote: »

Cnuts!

Pretty much sums it up.
Every few months this shower seem to get a 10-15% pay rise.

Wouldn't give a damn TBH if they were actually doing something useful but they clearly aren't..
10bn (atleast IIRC) wasted in the last few years.
Health Service a mess, Crime, Roads etc etc...

Glad to see 90% of people on this thread are not happy with this though.

meglome

EoC wrote: »

Annoyed then please sign and pass on petition

http://www.gopetition.com/online/14927.html

Regards EoC

Just filled this in and sent an email to a load of people.

SimpleSam06

Galwayguy99 wrote: »

Out of all my mates, 2 of us work in public sector, and 9-10 in private sector. I guarantee the private sector guys are all earning 20-60K more than either of us

Leave it out.

Irish Public Service 2001-2006: Salaries up 59%; Payroll up 18% - 38,000 workers and Pensions up 81.3%

The increase in the average industrial wage for a male worker in the period 2001-2005, was 19%.

Galwayguy99 wrote: »

And a full pension is actually half your salary.

Wrong.

A private sector worker can provide for the equivalent of a public service pension for a maximum of two-thirds of final salary for retirement. However, 28% of salary would have to be put aside every year for 40 years to do so.

Galwayguy99 wrote: »

The later you start it, then yeah, you might have to pay half your salary to have a pension worth anything. But that would be your own fault...

Wrong.

gurramok

ScumLord wrote: »

How many Taoiseach's operate in the Private sector? This is garbage. Who apointed this independant body and do they go to the same dinner partys as bertie?

Very good point.

Most TD's are either teachers, publicans, solicitors, doctors(real ones:))...good professions one might say.

Bertie is supposed to be an accountant:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertie_Ahern
'He has also claimed, or it was claimed by others on his behalf in circulated biographies, that he was educated at University College Dublin and the London School of Economics. Neither university has any records that show Ahern was ever one of their students.[2] He worked in the Accounts Department of the Mater Hospital, Dublin, from where he is still technically on a career break. He has often been described, and has referred to himself, as an accountant. As there is currently no legal definition in Ireland of the term accountant this is technically correct. But he is not a qualified chartered, certified or public accountant. On the 8 October 2006 the Irish News of the World described him as 'an accounts clerk.' [5] He is an honorary member of the Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy.'

Whether he is a real accountant or not, he won't get 310k in that profession in the real world
Thing is most TD's/ministers don't earn 310k in the real world so this comparison with the private sector is a load of bulls**t

Orange69

EoC wrote: »

Annoyed then please sign and pass on petition

http://www.gopetition.com/online/14927.html

Regards EoC

Ye might as well go and have a **** as to sign a petition...

FF do not care, they are in for another 5 years and they couldnt give a damn what anyone in the country thinks..

Terry

Do you think Fine Gael would do any better?

chump

Terry wrote: »

Do you think Fine Gael would do any better?

Well they couldn't do much worse, and they deserve a chance to fail.

And they will have their chance. Hopefully they turn out to be a bit more forward looking.

FruitLover

EoC wrote: »

Annoyed then please sign and pass on petition

Online petitions aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

bowsie casey

Does anybody believe Fine Gael when they say they would have refused to accept the increases if they were in office (Irish Times, p1 today) ?

Not I said the cat....

Terry

FruitLover wrote: »

Online petitions aren't worth the paper they're not printed on.

Fixed.