Learner Drivers - Please sign

DarkJager

http://www.petitiononline.com/od404850/petition.html

And for the qualified drivers out there, keep your opinions to the other threads.

Bluefoam

I was prepared to sign until I read this bit:

It is clear that Noel Dempsey is unfit to hold this position any longer and we ask for his immediate removal from office.

Now, I just think that whoever created this petition is a tosser...

Mr E

Good luck DarkJager, but with signatures from Mickey and Minnie Mouse, and Hannibal Lecter, its going to be hard to take it seriously.

RuggieBear

Pass the test

Placebo

thanks for that deep insight their ruggie bear il let you know in 5 months exactly, until then cya later.

RuggieBear

i'm a learner and i've always thought it insane that one only needs a provisional to start driving legally.

Can't pass the test you shouldn't be driving...you are not competent enough for the road. Stick with the driving lessons until you are capable.

Placebo

RuggieBear wrote: »

i'm a learner and i've always thought it insane that one only needs a provisional to start driving legally.

Can't pass the test you shouldn't be driving...you are not competent enough for the road. Stick with the driving lessons until you are capable.

once again, thanks for the lecture and the colorful assumption, i have NOT failed any test of any sort [ever] so that does not apply to me in any shape or form. Petition is not directed specifically at the law, theres other factors here, such as the long waiting list which inturn makes the enforcement seem unreasonable.

Keith C

RuggieBear wrote: »

i'm a learner and i've always thought it insane that one only needs a provisional to start driving legally.

Can't pass the test you shouldn't be driving...you are not competent enough for the road. Stick with the driving lessons until you are capable.

So have you applied for your test? if you fail will you stop driving?

Anan1

DarkJager wrote: »

And for the qualified drivers out there, keep your opinions to the other threads.

This may not have occurred to you, but a bunch of unlicensed, untested drivers on the road impacts on me. Your rights end where my safety begins.

RuggieBear

Keith C wrote: »

So have you applied for your test? if you fail will you stop driving?

nope...i'm no where near competent enough to pass yet. I'll keep taking lessons till my instructor thinks i'm safe on the roads and that i won't kill anyone.

Then i'll take the test....be it a year or 10 years.

Driving isn't a right.

Placebo

RuggieBear wrote: »

nope...i'm no where near competent enough to pass yet. I'll keep taking lessons till my instructor thinks i'm safe on the roads and that i won't kill anyone.

Then i'll take the test....be it a year or 10 years.

Taking your age into account, lets say for instance you get married soon, what impact do you think this will have on your wife and kids? My dad lives abroad and my mom has failed twice, shes a fairly competent driver but gets nervous when shes being tested, now she cant drive, neither can my sister, neither can i and we are all competent drivers, i think no one has a problem with the law but the waiting list in hand, which is what it was 2/3 years ago as far as i can remember.

DarkJager

Anan1 wrote: »

This may not have occurred to you, but a bunch of unlicensed, untested drivers on the road impacts on me. Your rights end where my safety begins.

What makes you think you're such a safe driver??? I'm a learner and I take extreme care to follow every single rule of the road when I am in my car. I don't peform any maneuevers or actions that could endanger other users of the road. But from what I've seen, it doesn't work that way with licensed drivers. You must think that little pink slips gives you the right to drive however you want, and then point the finger at learners for dangerous driving?? Get off your high horse kiddo...

Leeby

I agree with the idea but 5 days notice is ridiculous, I'm on the waiting list at the moment, what am I supposed to do between 5 days from now and the actual test? I don't live with any fully licensed drivers.

RuggieBear

Placebo wrote: »

Taking your age into account, lets say for instance you get married soon, what impact do you think this will have on your wife and kids? My dad lives abroad and my mom has failed twice, shes a fairly competent driver but gets nervous when shes being tested, now she cant drive, neither can my sister, neither can i and we are all competent drivers, i think no one has a problem with the law but the waiting list in hand is what it was 2/3 years ago as far as i can remember.

My potential wife can drive. (full licence ):)
Just because it will (seriously) inconvenience you and your family doesn't give you the right to drive and potentially endanger others on the road.

besides, do you really think this is enforceable in this country....Are you seriously going to stop driving unaccompanied?

We are a country of Me Feiners....and we will continue to have ****e drivers, inexperienced drivers and lots of accidents as so many people are too self absorbed not to put others at risk every time they get in a car.

Anan1

DarkJager wrote: »

What makes you think you're such a safe driver??? I'm a learner and I take extreme care to follow every single rule of the road when I am in my car. I don't peform any maneuevers or actions that could endanger other users of the road. But from what I've seen, it doesn't work that way with licensed drivers. You must think that little pink slips gives you the right to drive however you want, and then point the finger at learners for dangerous driving?? Get off your high horse kiddo...

The simple fact is that i've passed the test whereas you haven't. Talk is cheap, but you have yet to prove yourself fit to drive unaccompanied on public roads.

Placebo

RuggieBear wrote: »

My potential wife can drive. (full licence ):)
Just because it will (seriously) inconvenience you and your family doesn't give you the right to drive and potentially endanger others on the road.

besides, do you really think this is enforceable in this country....Are you seriously going to stop driving unaccompanied?

We are a country of Me Feiners....and we will continue to have ****e drivers, inexperienced drivers and lots of accidents as so many people are too self absorbed not to put others at risk every time they get in a car.

so according to you for the past 100 years, everyone on the road was at risk ? And as i have already stated my whole family is more than qualified to drive properly. Enjoy car pooling in the near future with the next person to post on your beloved thread

DarkJager

DarkJager wrote: »

But from what I've seen, it doesn't work that way with licensed drivers. You must think that little pink slips gives you the right to drive however you want, and then point the finger at learners for dangerous driving?? Get off your high horse kiddo...

True. Judging from what I see on my daily drive to work learner drivers are for the most part better drivers. Last week for example I saw the most reckless driving I have ever seen being performed by a driver who presumedly had a full licence.
There is a roundabout outside where I work, which is on an extremely busy road. There were three cars waiting in front of me at the lights before the roundabout. As soon as the lights went green he overtook them on the left side, tore across in front of them and weaved through two lanes of traffic on the roundabout. Madness.

Anan1

Placebo wrote: »

And as i have already stated my whole family is more than qualified to drive properly.

Didn't you just say that your mother has failed the driving test twice? Or has she passed since?

E92

DarkJager wrote: »

http://www.petitiononline.com/od404850/petition.html

And for the qualified drivers out there, keep your opinions to the other threads.

It says a lot about how "democratic" this country is that even if I did bother to sign I know it wouldn't make the slightest difference.

Anyway, you're blaming the wrong person, its the RSA's idea, I'd be getting rid of a vertain Gay Byrne way before I'd be getting rid of Dempsy, remember the RSA come up with the ideas and the Minister just implements them if he feels it won't cost him or his Government votes.

Keith C

RuggieBear wrote: »

nope...i'm no where near competent enough to pass yet. I'll keep taking lessons till my instructor thinks i'm safe on the roads and that i won't kill anyone.

Then i'll take the test....be it a year or 10 years.

Driving isn't a right.

Out of curiosity how many lessons have you had & how many hours of accomanpied road driving have you had?

Cionád

RuggieBear wrote: »

nope...i'm no where near competent enough to pass yet. I'll keep taking lessons till my instructor thinks i'm safe on the roads and that i won't kill anyone.

Then i'll take the test....be it a year or 10 years.

Oh come on, theres only so much an instructor can tell you, and the test is really easy tbh. Maybe he just wants more money off you??

If you have a bit of confidence, are observant and know the rules of the road, its easy to pass.

RuggieBear

Cionád wrote: »

Oh come on, theres only so much an instructor can tell you, and the test is really easy tbh. Maybe he just wants more money off you??

If you have a bit of confidence, are observant and know the rules of the road, its easy to pass.

I'd like to think my instructor will not rip me off but.....you never know!

Have you passed this easy Test?

Keith C wrote: »

Out of curiosity how many lessons have you had & how many hours of accomanpied road driving have you had?

not that many...only started in the last two weeks

Placebo

i dont think its much asking to bring the waiting list down,
while i agree with the law, personally i feel learner drivers are more "carefull" drivers than others , as they are freshly taught, im confident in saying this with experience THAT full time drivers have long forgotten the exact rules ! [red=stop, green=go , buslane = mine ] and no Learner in their right mind without knowing how to drive goes on the road, so its mostly just the case of bad driver, fullstop.
or maybe its just a *cough*woman*cough*

Cionád

RuggieBear wrote: »

Have you passed this easy Test?

not that many...only started in the last two weeks

Ok, after two weeks your not ready i'd be confident to say. But once you have a few months on the road you'll be well able for it, theres not much to it.

Passed mine last year.

RuggieBear

Cionád wrote: »

Ok, after two weeks your not ready i'd be confident to say. But once you have a few months on the road you'll be well able for it, theres not much to it.

I hope so. Gonna cost me a fortune in lessons.

Passed mine last year.

sweet.

Stephen

petition signatures wrote:

24. Bertie Well done noel there will be a few extra bob in next weeks pay packet

LOL

daveirl

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DaBreno

RuggieBear wrote: »

We are a country of Me Feiners....and we will continue to have ****e drivers, inexperienced drivers and lots of accidents as so many people are too self absorbed not to put others at risk every time they get in a car.

What a crock of sh1te. Putting provisionals off the road is the Silver bullet? no more accidents from this point on? Provos are a lot safer than you think. Dangerous drivers and full license holders are not mutally exclusive. Also this countries Public transport system makes it unrealistic in rural cases. Until waiting times for Driving tests is at an acceptable level, this law = muck.

daveirl

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colm_mcm

who's gonna deliver my pizza now!

Placebo

daveirl wrote: »

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why is there no phsycological perspective taken into account, people kept putting it off having known the long waiting period. Its actually so far in the future its ridiculous.

"So again I ask, presumably you don't believe in having any test if it's not a test of competency to some degree."

No i do, i just dont see where these new L = DANGER stats has risen out of no where, people are assuming now.