That "Heartbroken" song...

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...this one. T2 feat. Jodie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DOxZgiVgqU

Now, the voice is a bit annoying to say the least, but I love the music, especially the bassline.

What other songs would be recommended that would be of the same style?

What is the style even called?

Thanks lads.

ntlbell

Some ponce from a music magazine might call it "up tempo vocal garage"

Basemant jaxx maybe ?

jimi_t

Bad 2-step UK Garage (called 4x4 now for some inexplicable reason... I'm not getting into the quantisation / syncopation debate)

this is probably the closest to it that I can think of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owKkSxGT8Ng

(either that or I'm just showing you up by posting Craig David )

try the likes of

Dj Luck & MC Neat - With a little bit of luck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUp8a08gyqI

Double 99 - Ice Cream (Dub)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXgof9AMHPQ

Shanks and Bigfoot - Sweet like Chocolate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHFFol-8REI


and then there's this pack of gob****es...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKRHJ_-mRo4

ntlbell

jimi_t wrote: »

try the likes of


Shanks and Bigfoot - Sweet like Chocolate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHFFol-8REI

Is there such thing as decent 4X4?

The above was one i was trying to think of for him earlier but forgot the name.

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jimi_t wrote: »

Bad 2-step UK Garage (called 4x4 now for some inexplicable reason... I'm not getting into the quantisation / syncopation debate)

Please do, I don't even know what that means tbh. Be nice to learn something tbh.

jimi_t wrote: »

this is probably the closest to it that I can think of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owKkSxGT8Ng

(either that or I'm just showing you up by posting Craig David )

Jesus H.

Really?

jimi_t wrote: »

Dj Luck & MC Neat - With a little bit of luck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUp8a08gyqI

OK I know this, not bad.

jimi_t wrote: »

Double 99 - Ice Cream (Dub)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXgof9AMHPQ

Ah, that's cool, love the basslines in that one too actually. Didn't know this song before.

jimi_t wrote: »

Shanks and Bigfoot - Sweet like Chocolate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHFFol-8REI

Er...this reminds me of teenybopper girls.

jimi_t wrote: »

and then there's this pack of gob****es...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKRHJ_-mRo4

JTJ Feat sMoKio & DB

So Solid Crew?

Actually, Chavs they may be, but there's a real Dizzee Rascal sound going on there, no?

I like Dizzee.

ntlbell wrote: »

Some ponce from a music magazine might call it "up tempo vocal garage"

Basemant jaxx maybe ?

Hmm, yeah, big fan of Basement Jaxx.

ntlbell

artful dodger maybe?


getting a bit desperado stages....:(

jimi_t

DesF wrote: »

Please do, I don't even know what that means tbh. Be nice to learn something tbh.

Well right, the two main characteristics of garage would probably be the Bass line and the rhythmn/timing

The Bass line is the result of using a very simple square wave and using a slow attack rate, low resonance, open cutoff and EQ'ing a big chunk of the midrange out of it - leaving just the bass and treble so as to get the "ooOOMph" effect while leaving frequency space open for the rest of the track (i.e. leave the vocal range clear - a reason why the whiny english chav-rap style suits it so well; no bass and no treble ).

The rhythmn/timing thing I will explain in a small bit... I just have to check an old theory book I have to make sure I'm not making an eejit out of myself.


If you liked the Double 99 track, they produced what is probably THE classic 2step track - awful quality but you'll get the gist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUjBMv3p48I

A D'n'B track using the same kind of bassline.

Super Sharp Shooter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbkR5aDFMTs

And here's how to do a bassline using a doublebass Absolutely quality tune.

Roni Size - Brown Paper Bag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4n0iUtWEwY

BaZmO*

It's just 2 Step Garage with a 4/4 beat so I can see why they're calling it 4x4. Just a variation on a theme I suppose. Although the vocal is atrocious.

Very like Artful Dodger - You're moving Too Fast

Put a 4/4* beat over that and it'd be very similar.


* A 4/4 beat is just a continuous beat like in most dance songs. The 4 refers to a bar.

jimi_t

BaZmO* wrote: »

It's just 2 Step Garage with a 4/4 beat so I can see why they're calling it 4x4. Just a variation on a theme I suppose. Although the vocal is atrocious.

Put a 4/4* beat over that and it'd be very similar.

* A 4/4 beat is just a continuous beat like in most dance songs. The 4 refers to a bar.

In a time signature, the top bit refers to the amount of beats per bar, the bottom bit refers to what note value constitutes a beat

4/4 beat refers to 4 crotchets (we can call these "whole" notes for our purposes) per bar. Two step is predominantly in 2/4 - 2 crotchet beats to a bar.

i.e. DUM-dum / DUM-dum / DUM-dum / DUM-dum

Whereas techno is invariably in 4/4

i.e DUM-dum-dum-dum / DUM-dum-dum-dum / DUM-dum-dum-dum / DUM-dum-dum-dum

The very nature of techno being 4 bars in 4/4 time has a lot to do with the fact that all step-sequencers (the things for programming in notes so you're left free to twiddle with the filters and effects) since the TB-303 are usually 16 step - so 4 beats in a bar X 4 bars = 16 notes. Simplicity really.


Now, my problem with what they're now calling "4x4" is that, from what I've heard, a lot of it is in 6/8 time - syncopated shuffling rhythms etc...

Bazmo is right in saying that 4x4 garage is a reference to the 4/4 time signature - wikipedia can explain this

However, I reckonthis isn't a UK garage revival per se - more that DubStep, which shares a lot of the same musical qualities as 2step Garage, has gotten very popular and has branched off into something more mainstream. Dubstep had a big thing about using syncopation in tracks (stressing the "off-beat" in the bar, rather than having a big 'DUM' at the beginning of every bar) and this has carried over into the '4x4' stuff, where a lot of the stuff I've heard just isn't in 4/4.

(tbh, the naming convention might have more to do with letting MCs with too many gold teeth shout out "Fo-ar to the flo-ar!" than musical structure.)

I could go into greater depth, but a lot of this is covered quite well in the Wikipedia articles (suprisingly enough).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-step_garage

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Hats off lads, thanks very much.

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Hi again.

Would this song fit the bill?

Benga & Coki - Night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2JX2Ix7MiA&feature=related

jonny68

I don't even like calling UK Garage 'Garage' as it's not proper Garage like US garage.

Makaveli

The English are calling it Bassline. It's more of a northern thing from what I've read.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd_4OrFH3EU

There's another example, awful as it may be.

jimi_t

DesF wrote: »

Hi again.

Would this song fit the bill?

Benga & Coki - Night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2JX2Ix7MiA&feature=related

In terms of 2-step or Garage? I would have called it dubstep myself - like Skream - Midnight Request Line

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W_yi6uFtn4

jimi_t

Makaveli wrote: »

The English are calling it Bassline. It's more of a northern thing from what I've read.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd_4OrFH3EU

There's another example, awful as it may be.

Tragic... Watchable after the first 10 seconds only for the fact that the black dude singing looks like a really sleazy version of the guy from scrubs.

Makaveli

Awful isn't it. Although, your one in the red pants is pretty easy on the eye.