Learner drivers, Would you feel safe in their car ?..

Paddy20

I believe that anyone getting into a car driven by a learner driver must be crazy.

What do you think ?..:mad:

P. :cool:

Paddy20

Agreed, but I do not seem to be able to get rid of the first one ?..
Maybe a a nice Mod might remove it for me .

P. :cool:

magnumlady

If the learner had some lessons first then I would feel safe.
When I learnt to drive in the UK I had about 15 lessons and then used to drive my mums car with her sitting beside me.

muffler

Paddy20 wrote: »

Maybe a a nice Mod might remove it for me

Ah sure seeing as its yourself Paddy and you are paying me a compliment I will have to oblige.

Gillie

Well unless ye all came out of the womb able to drive?

We all got to start somewhere!

Just because someone is learning it doesn't mean that they are dangerous!

donegalman1

Its often easy to tell when driving, which learner drivers should not be allowed out on their own from how they drive around town. Many are ok but others are terrible and the Gardai should be able to penalise in some way those who are bad.

Having said that, it seems accepted that most of these accidents are happening at night. Why not have a curfew for inexperienced drivers from say 11pm til 7am.

It wouldmake more sense than trying to ban them altogether which the recent govt initiative would have done effectively.

Still the most dangerous drivers imo are the old ones travelling through the gap etc at 40mph holding everyone up.

Gillie

donegalman1 wrote: »

Still the most dangerous drivers imo are the old ones travelling through the gap etc at 40mph holding everyone up.

QFT!

smashey

donegalman1 wrote: »

Still the most dangerous drivers imo are the old ones travelling through the gap etc at 40mph holding everyone up.

Correct.

Also, idiots who haven't a clue how to navigate roundabouts, the majority of whom don't have "L" plates.

regob

smashey wrote: »

Correct.

Also, idiots who haven't a clue how to navigate roundabouts, the majority of whom don't have "L" plates.

this pisses me off

Gillie

smashey wrote: »

Correct.

Also, idiots who haven't a clue how to navigate roundabouts, the majority of whom don't have "L" plates.

I hear ya! So stupid!

jimmycrackcorm

Paddy20 wrote: »

I believe that anyone getting into a car driven by a learner driver must be crazy.

What do you think ?..:mad:

P. :cool:

I think we should distinguish between learner drivers and boy racers because everyone seems to think they are the same.

Your statement is actually strange because if you rethink it then you are saying that no accompanied driver should get into a car driven by a learner driver unless it has dual controls.

regob

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I think we should distinguish between learner drivers and boy racers because everyone seems to think they are the same.

Your statement is actually strange because if you rethink it then you are saying that no accompanied driver should get into a car driven by a learner driver unless it has dual controls.

i totally agree with you, i am a learner driver at the moment and i can guarantee you i am one of the most, safeist and stick to the rules person there can be

muffler

regob wrote: »

i totally agree with you, i am a learner driver at the moment and i can guarantee you i am one of the most, safeist and stick to the rules person there can be

Self praise and all that. :rolleyes:

Paddy20

Listen Lads & Lassies,

Would you get onto a Jumbo airplane with a learner pilot. I do do not think so. If you are not qualified to drive a car then you should be banned from driving even accepting a passenger.

Anyone who is not in ageement with me, please post your reply and remember yet we are talking about human lives :eek:

P. :cool:

Gillie

But Paddy according to the Law they have to be accompanied!

There are a helluva lot of ppl who drive who are not "learner drivers" yet they simply cannot drive! It's a joke!

I don't think we can generalise in that way!

Potential-Monke

Christ, can ye hear yourselves? Granted, some L drivers haven't a clue, so thats why the law is changing so that new provisional license holders must have 12 (i think) lessons before being insured, and need proof of these also. Secondly, the law has changed so that an L driver must have a 2 year fully licensed driver with them in order to drive, and thats goes for any provisional driver.

But you can't penalise everyone (which is what happens anyway, ie: i'm 24/m and am paying rediculous insurance because of boy racers) for some others mistakes!

Plus, as many have said above me, there are alot of dangerous drivers out there with full licenses. Back in the 60's or 70's or something, there was such a backlog of people waiting for the full licenses that the all knowing government gave out 1000's of licenses without testing! i know cuz my mother got hers that way.

So, if dangerous driving is pissing you off something fierce, do something about it, ring 1890205805 with the reg number of the car and where and when you witnessed the dangerous driving, and make an official complaint. If you don't want to do that, then you shouldn't be complaining.

Paddy20

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Your statement is actually strange because if you rethink it then you are saying that no accompanied driver should get into a car driven by a learner driver unless it has dual controls.

The only time that should happen is when someone is learning to drive accompanied by a qualified driving instructer .

P. :cool:

Gillie

Paddy I think we all know that all these deaths on our roads are NOT caused by Learner Drivers but Careless drivers or other factors (Drink, Speed etc.)

There is a serious attitude problem to driving in this country and while it remains it won't matter if they have a Provo or Full license!

Paddy20

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Christ, can ye hear yourselves? Granted, some L drivers haven't a clue, so thats why the law is changing so that new provisional license holders must have 12 (i think) lessons before being insured, and need proof of these also. Secondly, the law has changed so that an L driver must have a 2 year fully licensed driver with them in order to drive, and thats goes for any provisional driver.

But you can't penalise everyone (which is what happens anyway, ie: i'm 24/m and am paying rediculous insurance because of boy racers) for some others mistakes!

Plus, as many have said above me, there are alot of dangerous drivers out there with full licenses. Back in the 60's or 70's or something, there was such a backlog of people waiting for the full licenses that the all knowing government gave out 1000's of licenses without testing! i know cuz my mother got hers that way.

So, if dangerous driving is pissing you off something fierce, do something about it, ring 1890205805 with the reg number of the car and where and when you witnessed the dangerous driving, and make an official complaint. If you don't want to do that, then you shouldn't be complaining.

Unworthy of comment from me, let other posters judge ?..

P.

Potential-Monke

Paddy20 wrote: »

Unworthy of comment from me, let other posters judge ?..

P.

Just cuz i'm new here, maybe you'd like to explain why it's unworthy.

Gillie

Paddy20 wrote: »

Unworthy of comment from me, let other posters judge ?..

P.

Sorry but the man's got a valid point here.
There are people who have full licenses who simply cannot drive!
It's insane!

We have 400,000 "learners" here at present but they are not necessarily bad drivers!

Once the new laws are enforced and these ppl get to take their tests they will be found out if they are "bad" drivers but what about the others who simply can't drive or can but choose to speed or drive & drive!
There is nothing to stop them from f*cking up!



Just curious Paddy do you drive yourself?

Potential-Monke

The only way to stop the dangerous driving from here on in is to make licenses 5 years max, and bring in the resources to test people reapplying for the full licenses. But we all know thats not going to happen.

Gillie

Potential-Monke wrote: »

The only way to stop the dangerous driving from here on in is to make licenses 5 years max, and bring in the resources to test people reapplying for the full licenses. But we all know thats not going to happen.

In a perfect world - yeah!


Eh why is this in the NW forum anyway???:)

Paddy20

Gillie wrote: »

There is a serious attitude problem to driving in this country and while it remains it won't matter if they have a Provo or Full license!

The answer appears to be clear, unless a driver has a full clean license they should not be allowed to carry any passengers, other than a fully licensed car driver/ passenger. :rolleyes:.

P. :cool:

Gillie

Ok. Well that's slightly different to your original post.

And now the Law has changed to enforce this. Although they're is nothing against having subsequent passengers to the fully licensed driver in the car!

Potential-Monke

Well the law states that provisional drivers cannot drive without one anyway...

EDIT: Got there ahead of me gillie. And, as i said, the full licensed driver with them needs to ahve 2 years driving as a fully licensed driver.

Paddy20

Gillie wrote: »

Eh why is this in the NW forum anyway???:)

Simply because I care and the N.W. is where I live.

P. :cool:

Paddy20

As far as I am concerned, anyone driving a car or other road vehicle, should haved been tested and passed as competent . Howeverer since the formation
of our wonderful republic.

Total yes men, were appointed to implement sensible driving ability legislation.
They failed and to this day we have drivers who paid 1 Punt for a license to drive.

Thankfully times have changed and Government are now at last implementing long overdue legislation, whereby eventually those who get behind the wheel of a motor vehicle must be fully tested, and licensed.

P. :cool:

Potential-Monke

Would you also agree then that in order to stop the boy racers from killing themselves and others that anyone under the age of 25 b restriced to, say, a 1litre car?

Paddy20

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Just cuz i'm new here, maybe you'd like to explain why it's unworthy.

The fact that you are new here , has nothing to do with the thread , but welcome aboard this rocky ship, and your view will always be appreciated especially by me .

P. :cool:

Paddy20

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Would you also agree then that in order to stop the boy racers from killing themselves and others that anyone under the age of 25 b restriced to, say, a 1litre car?

Sorry, IMHO your question has been already answered

Goodnight. Sleep well.

P.:cool:

Potential-Monke

You answered a question relating to L drivers, not boy racers (unless you're taking for granted that all boy racers are L drivers, which they're obviously not)...

Night!

jimmycrackcorm

Paddy20 wrote: »

Listen Lads & Lassies,

Would you get onto a Jumbo airplane with a learner pilot. I do do not think so. If you are not qualified to drive a car then you should be banned from driving even accepting a passenger.

Anyone who is not in ageement with me, please post your reply and remember yet we are talking about human lives :eek:

P. :cool:

I hear they put Jumbo learner pilots into the microwave for three minutes and they come out fully fledged captains. Anyway the comparison between a jumbo pilot and a car driver is a bad example especially when a pilot has an autopilot facility.

The basic truth is that passing the test doesn't make boy racers grow up or drink drivers dirve safely. Another anomoly is that if you look at the fatal accident statistics over the last 5 years it completely doesn't take into account the huge increase in car registrations and traffic, otherwise we now have less fatalities even with a substantial increase in provisional licences.

http://www.garda.ie/angarda/statistics98/nroadstats.html

Paddy20

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Would you also agree then that in order to stop the boy racers from killing themselves and others that anyone under the age of 25 b restriced to, say, a 1litre car?

NO one who has not passed a driving test should be allowed to drive any vehicle'unaccompanied' by a quallified driver' on Public roads, the litre power of the vehicle simply is not part of the equation. .

P. :cool:

Paddy20

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I hear they put Jumbo learner pilots into the microwave for three minutes and they come out fully fledged captains. Anyway the comparison between a jumbo pilot and a car driver is a bad example especially when a pilot has an autopilot facility.

The basic truth is that passing the test doesn't make boy racers grow up or drink drivers dirve safely. Another anomoly is that if you look at the fatal accident statistics over the last 5 years it completely doesn't take into account the huge increase in car registrations and traffic, otherwise we now have less fatalities even with a substantial increase in provisional licences.

http://www.garda.ie/angarda/statistics98/nroadstats.html

JC,

What the hell would I do without my contributions being constantly being put down by you, I think you must qualify as the most anti Paddy20 poster on boards.ie and the N.W. Forum,

Good luck to you

P. :cool:

jimmycrackcorm

You are hardly suggesting that everyone should automatically agree with you?

Good luck to yourself too, I hope we both share the Euromillions - there's enough there.

Paddy20

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

You are hardly suggesting that everyone should automatically agree with you?

Good luck to yourself too, I hope we both share the Euromillions - there's enough there.

Agreed, can you bring my share around to me ?.:)

P. :cool:

Potential-Monke

Paddy20 wrote: »

NO one who has not passed a driving test should be allowed to drive any vehicle'unaccompanied' by a quallified driver' on Public roads, the litre power of the vehicle simply is not part of the equation. .

P. :cool:

It was a seperate question, which you obviously can't read properly. Not all boy racers are L drivers. Alot of them have full licences which need need in order to be able to insure their new 6million Horsepower Type R Intergra or whatever they're unable to drive nowadays.

As i said in my last post, you're taking for granted that all boy racers are L drivers. Read the posts before commenting on them. We know your point, L driver should not (and legally cannot) driver unaccompanied. We've that point cleared up, you don't have to keep repeating yourself! And to be honest, being stuubborn in your ways is not an indication that you're right.

Take this example, a single mother in her thirties, on her 3rd provisional license. She uses the car to drop her 3 children to school, then she has a part time job which she needs to travel to. After that, she has to do the shopping for the week, which is a substantial ammount considering it involves herself and 3 kids. Now, if she was stopped by a Garda, would you agree that she should have the car taken off her and be prosecuted for not having a fully licensed driver with her? (Pleasea, don't reply by saying that "i have already answered that question" or something simular, i'm asking for an honest reply which you've put some thought into after reading the whole post...)

smashey

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Take this example, a single mother in her thirties, on her 3rd provisional license. She uses the car to drop her 3 children to school, then she has a part time job which she needs to travel to. After that, she has to do the shopping for the week, which is a substantial ammount considering it involves herself and 3 kids. Now, if she was stopped by a Garda, would you agree that she should have the car taken off her and be prosecuted for not having a fully licensed driver with her? (Pleasea, don't reply by saying that "i have already answered that question" or something simular, i'm asking for an honest reply which you've put some thought into after reading the whole post...)

Unless she gets her full license by next June, she will will lose the car.

muffler

Potential-Monke wrote: »

It was a seperate question, which you obviously can't read properly.

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Read the posts before commenting on them.

Potential-Monke wrote: »

you don't have to keep repeating yourself! And to be honest, being stuubborn in your ways is not an indication that you're right.

Potential-Monke wrote: »

(Pleasea, don't reply by saying that "i have already answered that question" or something simular, i'm asking for an honest reply which you've put some thought into after reading the whole post...)

Woaaahhh. Dont go posting things like that. You are new here so I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Attack the post if you want but not the poster. Take a few minutes and read the charter and familiarise yourself with it.

Im tempted to give you a yellow card but I wont but drop the back seat modding attitude and you will get along fine with everyone here.

Potential-Monke

Wasn;t trying to, but point taken. Cushty.

donegalman1

Listen, the whole thing is a red herring, bringing in this is the govt been seen to do something. I'd love to see full stats on road crashes and deaths and see where learner drivers, drink, engine size and the like can be fully attributal.

I still everyday see dangerous slow vehicles causing a huge backup of traffic and then other drivers chancing their arm to pass or speeding up later to make up for lost time.

There was a time it was legal for someone who was driving slowly to drive on the hard shoulder tio let others pass.... this is now illegal and a farce. On the Lifford to Letterkenny Road the council put in pull in points for tractors etc... I only ever saw one used once. There cannot be any excuse for someone hogging the road say in Barnes Gap at 40mph in good conditions. If they are that nervous they should not be on the road full stop, regardless of license type. Everyone in this country feels they have a right to drive, and drive as they like - thats the attitude that needs changing.

And posters are right to point out that many 'boy racers' have full licenses. They are given the name for their car types and driving style. Other young and learner drivers are penalised for their behaviour.

doonothing

learner drivers, from my experience, are not any more dangerous than any of the licensed drivers on the road, let alone the lunatic drivers who managed to pretend to be safe for the 30 minutes of a driving test.

acting like a sensible driver for 30 minutes does not make them any more or less qualified to be on the road than most learner drivers.

as ive been saying on repeat for the past 3 weeks, learner drivers are not the problem, bad drivers are the problem.

smashey

donegalman1 wrote: »

On the Lifford to Letterkenny Road the council put in pull in points for tractors etc... I only ever saw one used once.

They were an exercise in futility. I saw them used once as well.

Gillie

donegalman1 wrote: »

There was a time it was legal for someone who was driving slowly to drive on the hard shoulder tio let others pass.... this is now illegal and a farce.

*shouts*

This is NOT illegal ppl!! It is NOT!

Only a Solid white line on a motorway!

You can pull in on DC's and Natioal roads where there is:
-A hard shoulder
-A broken yellow line running along that hard shoulder

This has been a misconception for a long time!

muffler

smashey wrote: »

They were an exercise in futility. I saw them used once as well.

You seen this once as did donegalman1. Now what I would like to know is which one of you was driving the tractor?

Potential-Monke

Gillie wrote: »

*shouts*

This is NOT illegal ppl!! It is NOT!

Only a Solid white line on a motorway!

You can pull in on DC's and Natioal roads where there is:
-A hard shoulder
-A broken yellow line running along that hard shoulder

This has been a misconception for a long time!

You can pull in in the hard shoulder on a dual carraigeway in cases of emergency (car breaking down - NOT answering the mobile) and a slow driver can pull into the hard shoulder on both DC and national roads to let others by buy CANNOT driver there all the time. Hard shoulders are for pedestrians and cyclists.

See the new red RSA Rules of the Road, Page 60, bottom of page.

Gillie

Potential-Monke wrote: »

You can pull in in the hard shoulder on a dual carraigeway in cases of emergency (car breaking down - NOT answering the mobile) and a slow driver can pull into the hard shoulder on both DC and national roads to let others by buy CANNOT driver there all the time. Hard shoulders are for pedestrians and cyclists.

See the new red RSA Rules of the Road, Page 60, bottom of page.

Good man! I was waiting for someone to ask me to back it up!

It's amazing the amount of ppl who don't know this!:eek:

muffler

Gillie wrote: »

Good man! I was waiting for someone to ask me to back it up!

It's amazing the amount of ppl who don't know this!:eek:

I knew it :rolleyes:

donegalman1

Well last year there was an announcement that would lead anyone to believe driving on the hard shoulder was illegal.

If its not then people should be made aware its not and be made aware that courtesy can prevent accidents.

In any case I ain't falling for no banana in my tailpipe.

Gillie

donegalman1 wrote: »

Well last year there was an announcement that would lead anyone to believe driving on the hard shoulder was illegal.

If its not then people should be made aware its not and be made aware that courtesy can prevent accidents.

In any case I ain't falling for no banana in my tailpipe.

Your absolutely right! They should have made ppl aware that this was the case.