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SSDG don't own the club, SSDG can't put the club into examinership.OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »You have a very poor grasp of what Rovers did under examinership. Seeing as your club is also assetless and broke, surely you in the SSG should have done a much more in depth analysis of whether the examinsership route is the right one for shels. If not, why not and if so, how are you still making those outlandish claims?
It is my understanding that if the club were to go into examinership, then it would cease to exist.
We still hold the lease on Tolka Park, but Ossie Kilkenny and his Cohort Ivan Cofolla (the spelling may be incorrect here) have the agreement on the price of the lease. If examinership was entered into, our debts would have to be paid from the money they'd give us for the lease, a lump sum. Our debts are more than this amount, and aren't to the taxman. So getting to pay a percentage is less likely, especially the way the club treated it's debtors in the past, they would be unlikely to agree to a percentage payment, or would agree to a percentage payment which would see the club shut down.
SSDG has minimal, if any, say in how the BoM of Shelbourne FC goes about it's business. Sure, the new BoM would seem to be doing things in a much more transparent way, although there is an issue of some missing monies, which I don't know it it has been sorted.
Any money requested from SSDG by the club has to be approved by SSDG Membership (there are about 50-60 members). If we don't agree, then no dice, the club don't get the money.
Er, yeah thanksOhNoYouDidn't wrote: »Basically Des, you seem like a decent bloke and someone I would love to have a pint with,
Ah come off it, "written off", "paying a percentage" and leaving ordinary fans thirty grand poorer. Same thing really? No?OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »but you are way off on saying we 'had our debts written off' and if you are that wring here, what else are you wrong on?
OK, fair enough, the Examinership was legal, and proper. People were still left out of pocket. Is this not true?0 -
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SSDG don't own the club, SSDG can't put the club into examinership.
Thats my point, the SSG was established to buy a say, but never got it.It is my understanding that if the club were to go into examinership, then it would cease to exist.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
Astonshing that the SSG havent even looked at this.We still hold the lease on Tolka Park, but Ossie Kilkenny and his Cohort Ivan Cofolla (the spelling may be incorrect here) have the agreement on the price of the lease. If examinership was entered into, our debts would have to be paid from the money they'd give us for the lease, a lump sum. Our debts are more than this amount, and aren't to the taxman. So getting to pay a percentage is less likely, especially the way the club treated it's debtors in the past, they would be unlikely to agree to a percentage payment, or would agree to a percentage payment which would see the club shut down.
maybe, maybe not. the point is you dont appear to have researched it. as you say, your assets are less than your debts, so you cannot lose by examinsership. the debtors will agree a percentage and you are out of the vicegrip that Mulden have over you.SSDG has minimal, if any, say in how the BoM of Shelbourne FC goes about it's business. Sure, the new BoM would seem to be doing things in a much more transparent way, although there is an issue of some missing monies, which I don't know it it has been sorted.
But the SSG arent in there getting a fans voice on the board....Ah come off it, "written off", "paying a percentage" and leaving ordinary fans thirty grand poorer. Same thing really? No?
OK, fair enough, the Examinership was legal, and proper. People were still left out of pocket. Is this not true?
Yes. But you are equating your uncle who got robbed by an individual who professed to have the clubs best interests at heart and all the other creditors of the club. not the same situation. your uncle gave a director a loan. thats not legally protected as its not worth the paper its (not) written on. not all debts were treated like that and you repeating it will not make it so.Pat Scully has a bebo page.
maybe, just maybe, its a fake....0 -
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raheny red wrote: »He could have been a hero, pity he didn't get a chance to shine. I loved him
If you want his autograph I'll get it for you:D He lives around the corner from me:cool:0 -
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Shelbourne: Out
John Brophy
Aidan Collins
Brian Gartland
Kieran Harte
James Hussey
Glen Lacey
Sean L'Estrange
Alan Murphy
Tony O'Dowd
Niall O'Reilly
Ciaran Quinn
Alan Reilly
Mark Rooney
Marc McCulloch (Galway United)
Mark Leech (rumoured to Galway United)
Jim Crawford
16 players gone, gutted over Jim Crawford leaving but i saw that one coming. Collins, Murphy, Gartland, Harte and Hussey would be super signings for the likes of Kildare and Monaghan, hope they don't come back to haunt us.0 -
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OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »Mark O'Brien and James Keddy Rovers to B*hs to Shels. What a downward spiral...
Funny because not so long ago that would have been a completely upward sprial.
PS - Leagues aren't won on paper, they're won in the courts.
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Of course it does, I typed it, not you.OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »that makes more sense.
OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »I presume that Alan Byrne is not the same psycho who played for both our clubs in the 90's? He was ferocious! A Keely player if there ever was one!
I don't think it is tbh.0 -
Funny because not so long ago that would have been a completely upward sprial.
PS - Leagues aren't won on paper, they're won in the courts.
Rovers never sell to B*hs. We just let our waste go to them to pasture.
O'Brien, Keddy, Grunt, Palmer, Dully, McGrath, Mullin etc. We got the best out of them and punt them on where they proceded to be rubbish for the D7 shower.
Whereas when they come the other way they blossom at a bigger club with fans who appreciate good play. Liam O'Brien, Tony Cousins and Paul Whelan spring to mind.
It adds to their bitterness all the more, which is a nice bonus.0 -
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OK, there was an "unveiling" of the new signings in Tolka last night.
I wasn't there, but reports are saying that Dermot Keely said that this season's wage budget is totally used up on the current players (that list I posted).
Some of last years U21 squad will be promoted.
One or two other contracts have been negotiated, and players are waiting to sign, IF more money can be secured.
Keely is working to secure funds for this.
I have no idea what that means. External funds? Who the hell would touch Shels? More money from the developers?
He also said that he intends to push for First spot this season. This is more than he said last year.0 -
OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »I have no way of knowing wheter your wage bill is higher or lower, although I would be very surprised if its been reduced, but the impression is not one of a club in financial dire straits cutting its cloth.
I agree completely with this I just don’t understand how it’s possible to reduce your wages, when you have clearly signed guys that would be demanding say double what some shels players were on last year. I.E James Keddy , Philip Hughes , just to name two.OK, there was an "unveiling" of the new signings in Tolka last night.
I wasn't there, but reports are saying that Dermot Keely said that this season's wage budget is totally used up on the current players (that list I posted).
Some of last years U21 squad will be promoted.
One or two other contracts have been negotiated, and players are waiting to sign, IF more money can be secured.
Keely is working to secure funds for this.
I have no idea what that means. External funds? Who the hell would touch Shels? More money from the developers?
He also said that he intends to push for First spot this season. This is more than he said last year.
Mate so your telling me that he has spent his entire wage budget on 12 signings and has still cut the wage bill from last year, That’s nonsense Again as "OhNoYouDidn't" , stated we have no way of actually knowing the wage budget but when you compare the calibre of players signed this year compared to last year its clear why the questions is been asked.
From what I have read here, your saying Keely has a verbal agreement with some players but is waiting to secure funds. I can imagine it now, "Lads I want to sign you, but want to see if I can secure your wages"
I fear for Shels this season putting so much money on the pitch for the risk of ONE promotion spot for the winner , If Shels don’t win this first division mate , then they are in serious trouble , and it’s the strongest first division in years mate , Waterford , Longford , Dundalk , Shels all fighting for ONE SPOT.
On a side note John gill has added yet another former Rovers player to the new signings list. Jamie Duffy, I’m very happy with this signing.0 -
D58 - D51OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »Rovers never sell to B*hs. We just let our waste go to them to pasture.
O'Brien, Keddy, Grunt, Palmer, Dully, McGrath, Mullin etc. We got the best out of them and punt them on where they proceded to be rubbish for the D7 shower.
Whereas when they come the other way they blossom at a bigger club with fans who appreciate good play. Liam O'Brien, Tony Cousins and Paul Whelan spring to mind.
It adds to their bitterness all the more, which is a nice bonus.
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Ronan|Raven wrote: »Alan Matthews has resigned from his position.
Hmm.shels? or have they got someone?
Word was that Keely was going upstairs, but judging by the "fan meet" the other night, I reckon he'll be the manager in Feb/March.
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I'm worried.
12 players plus U21s plus "Keely is raising funds". WTF?
We bet on a gamble before, it didn't work, and we are dying.
Much prefer to consolidate in the First Div than chase dreams tbh.
Dundalk fairly strengthened in the week too.
Hearing Rutherford might re-sign, but him and Keely hate each other.0 -
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I agree completely with this I just don’t understand how it’s possible to reduce your wages, when you have clearly signed guys that would be demanding say double what some shels players were on last year. I.E James Keddy , Philip Hughes , just to name two.
Mate so your telling me that he has spent his entire wage budget on 12 signings and has still cut the wage bill from last year, That’s nonsense Again as "OhNoYouDidn't" , stated we have no way of actually knowing the wage budget but when you compare the caliber of players signed this year compared to last year its clear why the questions is been asked.
From what I have read here, your saying Keely has a verbal agreement with some players but is waiting to secure funds. I can imagine it now, "Lads I want to sign you, but want to see if I can secure your wages"
I fear for Shels this season putting so much money on the pitch for the risk of ONE promotion spot for the winner , If Shels don’t win this first division mate , then they are in serious trouble , and it’s the strongest first division in years mate , Waterford , Longford , Dundalk , Shels all fighting for ONE SPOT.
On a side note John gill has added yet another former Rovers player to the new signings list. Jamie Duffy, I’m very happy with this signing.
Sarge, i have to go on a long one here so be patient
Shels wage bill in the 7-8k per week bracket during the 2007 season, that was guaranteed by the Tolka property developer and it was that high mainly due to having to throw a team together in 2 days so we had to be more generous than in normal circumstances to have chance of putting some sort of team together. i still disagree with some of the unnecessary expensive signings in made July but that's the past now.
now this season the club has to attempt to live within its means without any cash advances from Mr.Kilkenny. from knowing exactly what some Shels players were on last season and having a rough idea what some others were on, the 16 players released this week would have accounted for around 70% of the wage bill.
the 5 players resigned will be on good money and that includes Mark O'Brien who will be taking a wage cut from what he was with Bohs. Philly Hughes was on crazy money with Dundalk and i guarantee you he has taken a wage cut - look at it this way, his stock is down after 2007 if we didn't sign him Kildare would have and he would have been on a tiny fraction of his income from Dundalk, with Shels he'll earn more money than Kildare in a more competitive side, while still on less than he was with Dundalk. James Keddy has had to go part time, he would have planned for this happening, he's nearly 35 and not a long-term player for any club, his stock is down, he'll be on good first division money but nothing close to what he was on with Drogheda. Also take into consideration Dublin based players such as Delaney, Hedderman and Brennan are minus a countryside commute they will be better off for that. Not everyone will be on €400/€500 per week, players like Alan Byrne will be on very modest wages. Don't underestimate the fact that most of our squad have worked with Keely in the past, they know Keely, they trust him, they would like to work with him again, they are not necessarily only joining Shels because of mad amounts of cash, some players do actually want to play football.
i'm not going to preach i know every single source of income or know exactly what figure each of the new signings are on but you're completely off the mark saying that Shels are not cutting the wage bill and are on some wild buying the league spree like previous seasons. 13 senior players signed, likely costing 4k-4.5k tops + 4/5 under 21 players being promoted to the squad who are all on peanuts. we still sell season tickets, we still get gate receipts, we still get sponsorship, we still have many other sources of revenue, we have a whole winter to plan how maximise other sources of income. the massive debts are still there, they are too great to service on gate receipts, the fate of them will ultimately come down to what happens with the transaction of Tolka Park, the BOM are working on this and i don't envy the task they have. Shels will attempt to break even next season. the club still may lose money but it will be a drop in the ocean compared the millions upon millions hemorrhaged over the past seasons. the club has pulled through the worst storm, still a mountain to climb but the fact Shelbourne fc is already planning for next season is only a positive. Keely is doing wonders to bring some smashing players to the club next season under tighter belts, i don't know whether having a strong first XI and inexperienced back up will pull of the league title but the club is giving it a shot anyway. now, if the club and Keely go and sign another expensive 6/7 top players then i'll change my stance here but so far Keely and the BOM have been open, they've told us the club is cutting back but will look at sustainable avenues to raise extra money to strengthen the squad further. they've until the end of February to do that and i'm confident that can be achieved.
one last point and this is main one. if Shels go of on a spending spree this season with someone else's chequebook and win the First division title do you think the FAI will give Shels a Premier Division license? Not a chance in hell, you can guarantee the FAI are keeping a good eye on Shels' situation and the Shels BOM know that too. the club knows it must attempt live within it's means this season and they will whatever they can to achieve that while maintaining our competitiveness next season. sit back and look forward to a Shels and Dundalk (and probably Waterford) ding dong for the title! 0 -
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