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04-11-2007 10:21pm#1
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Yep a whole €1.50 a week..........
Why would you pay 1.50 a week for something you'll never use. It just doesn't make sense for Sky subscribers to sign up to for the cable too so why would you?
I don't honestly think its that hard to understand why someone wouldn't sign up for the tv and broadband if they are getting tv elsewhere. That 75 euro or whatever over the course of the year could probably pay a good bit of a months ESB bill.0 -
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For ex BBC Communications Enginneer or Photographer
No snow, no ghosts, no artifacts, no herringbones. I get roughly DVD quality via my Analogue TV aerial (i.e. PAL vs RGB is poorer, but "Busy" parts of picture better than "average" DVD). BBC on Digital sat is OK (720x 576), but ITV3 on Digital sat is poorer than RTE analogue (544 x 576 is why). RTE do feed the Analogue transmitters digitally, but it is a much higher bit rate than Satellite and higher than many DVDs. Some "Digital Only" channels only use 384 x 288, 1/4 PAL, which is poorer than VHS (typically 350 x 576 equivalent).
My S-VHS gives better Analogue than cable Analogue.0 -
For ex BBC Communications Enginneer or Photographer
No snow, no ghosts, no artifacts, no herringbones. I get roughly DVD quality via my Analogue TV aerial (i.e. PAL vs RGB is poorer, but "Busy" parts of picture better than "average" DVD). BBC on Digital sat is OK (720x 576), but ITV3 on Digital sat is poorer than RTE analogue (544 x 576 is why). RTE do feed the Analogue transmitters digitally, but it is a much higher bit rate than Satellite and higher than many DVDs. Some "Digital Only" channels only use 384 x 288, 1/4 PAL, which is poorer than VHS (typically 350 x 576 equivalent).
My S-VHS gives better Analogue than cable Analogue.
So what you're basically saying is that content can decide quality. Given that satellites nowadays would be pretty much a transparent device (i.e. no degradation) the same could easily apply to cable, indeed to individual channels like Sky One - which can vary horrifically in quality given whatever they're pushing out at any given time.
What I'm saying is that it is a matter of timing and you simply cannot make an extremely sweeping statement that all analogue cable is bad. For an ex-BBC communications engineer I would have thought that you would be the very one who would offer similar advice. What if we were to say that terrestrial RTE reception is Ireland is crap everywhere? We would be wrong of course.
There will always be pockets - is cable no different?
I have NTL digital and analogue and the analogue is, IMHO, up there with the digital. And I have had, and have seen, Sky. Sometimes it's stunning, other times mediocre (depending on the output).
Also, regardless of whether or not RTE supply the transmitters digitally, you're still ending up with an analogue signal. Much like the output of your Sky Digital receiver box.:)0 -
Analogue reception is poor in too much places. Over 20% don't get TV3 at all.
Delivery method and channel decide quality. Unless you are on a perfect cable segement near headend, analogue cable inherently can't compete with anything else. It's doomed. As they need the BW for HD, BB and ordinary Digital. There is not the space to waste on Analogue anymore.
I've had cable in south Dublin and two Limerick locations and been in plenty of houses with it. I have built analogue and Digital cable systems. With Digital cable you can get decent quality, but many NTL Digital channels have too low a bitrate or are recompressed feeds. For the same channels, NTL Digital is on average poorer than Satellite.
On Analogue the delivery medium quality is the main limit to quality.
On Digital the encoded Bitrate and source resolution are the main limit to Quality. The Digital quality on most channels is "fixed". I.e. The BBC always is 720x576 peaking at 8Mbps, and some shopping channel may be always 384x288 @ 400kbps or less (Yes really!). Most channels are someplace in between.
You need a very good quality CRT or else a very HD LCD as a normal LCD/Plasma or cheap HD 1366x768 is too low a resolution to properly display all the variable resolutions that are used. (each resolution in SD is two different resolutions depending on 4:3 or animorphic for LCDs/Plasma, for a CRT with variable scan, no degradation due to pixel mismatch).
The 8 Euro RF modulator in a Sky Digibox does not produce RF with Analogue TV at anything like the quality of the Modulators and transmitters used by RTE However even it is better than a lot Analogue Cable TV. 0 -
Analogue reception is poor in too much places. Over 20% don't get TV3 at all.
Delivery method and channel decide quality. Unless you are on a perfect cable segement near headend, analogue cable inherently can't compete with anything else. It's doomed. As they need the BW for HD, BB and ordinary Digital. There is not the space to waste on Analogue anymore.
I've had cable in south Dublin and two Limerick locations and been in plenty of houses with it. I have built analogue and Digital cable systems. With Digital cable you can get decent quality, but many NTL Digital channels have too low a bitrate or are recompressed feeds. For the same channels, NTL Digital is on average poorer than Satellite.
On Analogue the delivery medium quality is the main limit to quality.
On Digital the encoded Bitrate and source resolution are the main limit to Quality. The Digital quality on most channels is "fixed". I.e. The BBC always is 720x576 peaking at 8Mbps, and some shopping channel may be always 384x288 @ 400kbps or less (Yes really!). Most channels are someplace in between.
You need a very good quality CRT or else a very HD LCD as a normal LCD/Plasma or cheap HD 1366x768 is too low a resolution to properly display all the variable resolutions that are used. (each resolution in SD is two different resolutions depending on 4:3 or animorphic for LCDs/Plasma, for a CRT with variable scan, no degradation due to pixel mismatch).
The 8 Euro RF modulator in a Sky Digibox does not produce RF with Analogue TV at anything like the quality of the Modulators and transmitters used by RTE However even it is better than a lot Analogue Cable TV.
Do I detect a little waver there Watty?;):D Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree my friend.:)0
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