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Caught by Gardai - what to expect

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  • 09-11-2007 12:22pm
    #1
    hallelujah
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    Hi all,

    Need a bit of advice. Last night a friend of mine was stopped by a garda in his car. He had no tax, insurance, the NCT was up and his provisional licence was lost and had expired ages ago. He was told to submit his licence and insurance disk to the garda atation within 10 days. He lied and said he had a valid licence and insurance. Do any of you know what punishment he can expect if/when it goes to court. He has no previous convictions. He is in his 20's if that makes a difference.

    Mods, if this isn't the best place for this query, can you please move it?

    Thanks,
    Jeff


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    #2
    OldmanMondeo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭OldmanMondeo


    Presuming that this is not a troll,

    Expect a large fine and a ban from driving. Depending on how long the tax is out, the car may be taken. He/She may also be procussted for whatever they were stopped for in the first place.


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    Mr. Presentable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,496 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    He can expect a fine of up to €5000.00 IMSC, and could be disqualified for two years (not that that should worry someone driving without lic, tax etc)


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    siralfalot
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    ooh.... tell him to get an industrial size barrell of KY jelly, he'll need it!! :D:p


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    Mitch Connor
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    regardless, let us know what happens.

    I am always disappointed we never hear what happens to these people...

    Speaking of which, anyone seen Lorax recently, any update on his court case? lol


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    C_Breeze
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    expect a 1-2 yr ban & a 4 digit fine


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    OldmanMondeo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭OldmanMondeo


    siralfalot wrote: »
    ooh.... tell him to get an industrial size barrell of KY jelly, he'll need it!! :D:p


    Might not be your type.....:D


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    KTRIC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭KTRIC


    C_Breeze wrote: »
    expect a 1-2 yr ban & a 4 digit fine



    I think thats letting him of lightly. Uninsured, untaxed and unlicenced drivers should get a minimum jail term. Instant deterant in my opinion.


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    Mr. Presentable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,496 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    KTRIC wrote: »
    I think thats letting him of lightly. Uninsured, untaxed and unlicenced drivers should get a minimum jail term. Instant deterant in my opinion.

    Agreed, but I think they reserve that for TV licence dodgers.......


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    hallelujah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 584 ✭✭✭hallelujah


    Thanks to all who replied with helpful comments. I would agree - a 1-2 year ban and a 5 figure fine sounds reasonable. Also I agree, he deserves it. Why should we pay insurance/tax when others don't bother their holes.


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    KTRIC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭KTRIC


    nipplenuts wrote: »
    Agreed, but I think they reserve that for TV licence dodgers.......

    A tv licence dodger isn't going to leave some woman without her son or some family without a father when they're watching tv.

    Someone driving in this manner should be treated like a criminal holding a loaded weapon.


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    hallelujah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 584 ✭✭✭hallelujah


    KTRIC wrote: »
    A tv licence dodger isn't going to leave some woman without her son or some family without a father when they're watching tv.

    Someone driving in this manner should be treated like a criminal holding a loaded weapon.

    Tax and insurance makes you a safer driver? You learn something new everyday.


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    RosieJoe
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    Just wondering if the fact that his last license was a provisional, could he be done under the new legislation ( If they can prove that he was on a 1st license)


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    galwaytt
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    KTRIC wrote: »
    A tv licence dodger isn't going to leave some woman without her son or some family without a father when they're watching tv..

    ....I dunno, some the stuff on tv is appalling........yet still they're glued to it............:rolleyes:

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    sdanseo
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    RosieJoe wrote: »
    Just wondering if the fact that his last license was a provisional, could he be done under the new legislation ( If they can prove that he was on a 1st license)

    Given that the new legislation
    a) Makes no difference to 1st provisional drivers (apart from renaming them 'learner permits' and making them wait 6 months for a test) and
    b) Doesn't come into effect until June

    ...what do you think? ;)


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    #16
    RosieJoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭RosieJoe


    D'Oh springs to mind!

    Just needed a gentle nudge to remember that! Would hate to get a full blown thump from you though:D


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    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    RosieJoe wrote: »
    Just wondering if the fact that his last license was a provisional, could he be done under the new legislation ( If they can prove that he was on a 1st license)
    Because his licence had expired, that's irrelevant. He was driving without a licence. That alone will add a second hefty fine.


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    Stark
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    hallelujah wrote: »
    Do any of you know what punishment he can expect if/when it goes to court. He has no previous convictions. He is in his 20's if that makes a difference.

    Well it's Ireland, so probably some bleeding heart judge who'll fine him less than what it would have cost him to get taxed/insured in the first place.


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    Stephen
    Registered Users Posts: 18,484 ✭✭✭✭Stephen


    I think the point is that if you're involved in an accident with an uninsured driver you're quite likely to be majorly out of pocket. If you're lucky MIBI might give you a few quid towards medical expenses 5 years down the road.


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    Robbo
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    KTRIC wrote: »
    Someone driving in this manner should be treated like a criminal holding a loaded weapon.
    Exactly. We're already established here that a car is a lethal weapon. Driving without tax/license/insurance is like having a lethal weapon with laser sights whilst hepped up on goofballs.

    TBH, 10 years seems a fair custodial sentence to me along with a spell in the public stocks and ritual destruction of the car in question.


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    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Robbo wrote: »
    TBH, 10 years seems a fair custodial sentence to me along with a spell in the public stocks and ritual destruction of the car in question.
    Ten years is perhaps a little over the top. People do make dumb decisions in their lives. I would certainly be up for suspended or shorter custodial sentences, depending on how much of a dirty piece of **** the offender is.

    A serious custodial sentence should be applied to all those who drive while banned. Ten years sound fair in that case. These aren't people who made a mistake, or "went off the rails". These are people who were told that they were incapable of safely using a vehicle, but consciously said "fusk you" to the state and did it anyway. Driving while banned is equivalent to absconding from prison. Punishment - jail time.


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    Pherekydes
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    hallelujah wrote: »
    He is in his 20's if that makes a difference.

    If that's his IQ then it might make a difference, otherwise, no.


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    RosieJoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭RosieJoe


    seamus wrote: »
    People do make dumb decisions in their lives.

    A dumb decision is to let your tax expire, or forget to carry your license! Not drive with no tax, insurance, NCT or license


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    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    RosieJoe wrote: »
    A dumb decision is to let your tax expire, or forget to carry your license!
    In my language, that's a mistake :)

    I consider a dumb decision to be one that you know is inherently flawed and troublesome but has a slight chance of you coming out clean on the other side. Like making a late jump into a roundabout in front of a speeding artic.


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    Anan1
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    seamus wrote: »
    Ten years is perhaps a little over the top. People do make dumb decisions in their lives.
    I think Robbo was being sarcastic...


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    Robbo
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    Anan1 wrote: »
    I think Robbo was being sarcastic...
    Well I was more satirising a certain class of poster.

    Tough on scumbags, tough on the causes of scumbaggery.


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    cpoh1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭cpoh1


    seamus wrote: »
    Because his licence had expired, that's irrelevant. He was driving without a licence. That alone will add a second hefty fine.

    You guys are living in dreamland. Not having a licence is a maximum €250 euro fine, hardly hefty.

    Id go against the common trend in this thread and say that chances are you'll never hear baout this again. If the cop was serious about this he'd have taken the car off you on the spot. More than likely he wont bother putting the details on the system and even if he does and you dont show with your licence at the garda station you probably wont hear about it again.

    I remember when I bought my car 2 years ago I had no insurance disk or tax on the car and the gard asked me to drop my insurance into my local garda station. I frogot and nothing came of it, its the same story with my father. Dont worry about it.


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    mad m
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    I can't reason why someone would just drive without having insurance,tax or an Nct for that matter (I know a lot do it)...If it were me, I would be bricking it everytime I was in car. Its obvious he knew for a longtime he was doing wrong and for a time getting away with it..I have never seen more spot checks these days and especially now even more coming up to Christmas.

    I hope he gets what he deserves.


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    tech77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭tech77


    cpoh1 wrote: »
    You guys are living in dreamland. Not having a licence is a maximum €250 euro fine, hardly hefty.

    Id go against the common trend in this thread and say that chances are you'll never hear baout this again. If the cop was serious about this he'd have taken the car off you on the spot. More than likely he wont bother putting the details on the system and even if he does and you dont show with your licence at the garda station you probably wont hear about it again.

    I remember when I bought my car 2 years ago I had no insurance disk or tax on the car and the gard asked me to drop my insurance into my local garda station. I frogot and nothing came of it, its the same story with my father. Dont worry about it.

    Wow.
    Charming behaviour.
    Tell me, do you think we should all follow your lead.. might be an idea, wouldn't it?

    Worrying thing is I don't think this clown is trolling either TBH..


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    #30
    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    This guy probably probably doesn't even drive every day.
    So what use is a ban?
    A driving ban can be devasting for a self-employed person or people in rural areas.
    But most young people don't even own cars so he will manage and a driving ban is no great punishment.

    A fine and a custodial sentance is a better option


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    UrbanFox
    Registered Users Posts: 472 ✭✭UrbanFox


    hallelujah wrote: »
    Tax and insurance makes you a safer driver? You learn something new everyday.

    Not quite, but the point is relevant to driver attitude which is a major road hazard these days :(


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