Shell To Sea

Steyr

Saw them on the news again tonight....Will those twats ever give up? We are a Nation highly dependent on Oil/Gas etc, get over it.

Jesus Wept

shell to sea

aidan_walsh

The-Rigger wrote: »

shell to sea

By the seashore.

Karoma

Steyr wrote: »

Saw them on the news again tonight....Will those twats ever give up? We are a Nation highly dependent on Oil/Gas etc, get over it.

...what? Do you know why they're protesting?

Seth Brundle

Steyr wrote: »

Saw them on the news again tonight....Will those twats ever give up? We are a Nation highly dependent on Oil/Gas etc, get over it.

Please read up on their campaign before you comment...
http://www.google.ie/search?q=shell+to+sea&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

Muggy Dev

Whatever the merits of their case,you have to wonder if the rest of us devoted half the energy of those guys in protest of the shambles that is our health sevice,perhaps our problems would´nt be so acute.

mike65

Jubus Kbannon you're not a fan are you? Hand in your Modship of Motors immediately!


Mike.

Fooz

Muggy Dev wrote: »

Whatever the merits of their case,you have to wonder if the rest of us devoted half the energy of those guys in protest of the shambles that is our health sevice,perhaps our problems would´nt be so acute.

A good point. I think people should protest more - I don't know why we taking lying down all the time.

themadchef

Very very sore subject down here in the wild west, its gonna go ahead despite all the protesting i think, best of luck to them i say. If i lived that close to it i'd be standing in the wind and rain day after day fighting to protect my family too. fair play to them for trying anyway.

Zzippy

Karoma wrote: »

...what? Do you know why they're protesting?

Maybe he does, and he doesn't agree with their point of view. You mightn't agree with him, but hey, he's also entitled to his point of view. Course, he wouldn't be entitled to it in Bangor Erris, either you support the Shell to Sea idiots or you shut the **** up. If you express an alternative view there you'll be subject to serious intimidation. Nice.
Ever since the troubles ended and the Shinners don't have anything to protest about anymore these idiots are looking for any bandwagon to jump on. The local NIMBYs and the bussed in "idealists", a match made in heaven :rolleyes:

Karoma

Galwayguy99 wrote: »

Maybe he does, and he doesn't agree with their point of view. You mightn't agree with him, but hey, he's also entitled to his point of view. Course, he wouldn't be entitled to it in Bangor Erris, either you support the Shell to Sea idiots or you shut the **** up. If you express an alternative view there you'll be subject to serious intimidation. Nice.
Ever since the troubles ended and the Shinners don't have anything to protest about anymore these idiots are looking for any bandwagon to jump on. The local NIMBYs and the bussed in "idealists", a match made in heaven :rolleyes:

Spent much time there, have you?
I wasn't disagreeing with him - just questioning his position. From his post, he seemed to be of the impression that the protestors are anti-"oil/gas etc"...

eroo

They are breaking the law by intimidating the locals and blocking roads.There is protesting,and there is BREAKING THE LAW.The latter applying to Shell To Sea.It has been hijacked by the Shinners and anti-war protesters,a 'I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine' sort of thing....
The Gardai are there to uphold law and order,as we have seen they have had to use force to do so.The majority of locals accepted the proposals but a minority hellbent on intimidation with the help of anti-globalisation/war protesters.If you look at it,most of the protesters are from different parts,with a small few actually from the 'affected' area..

eroo

Gordon

Red lorry yellow lorry.

Zzippy

Karoma wrote: »

Spent much time there, have you?
I wasn't disagreeing with him - just questioning his position. From his post, he seemed to be of the impression that the protestors are anti-"oil/gas etc"...

Sorry, didn't mean to jump down your throat, but from your post I got the impression that you were implying he didn't know what he was on about.

And yes, I've spent a bit of time there, have very good friends living there that I visit regularly. Having seen what goes on locally, they're forced to keep their heads down and mouths shut and not express their true opinion. Shell to Sea really is a minority view in the area but their "tactics" mean there is no vocal opposition

dotsman

kbannon wrote: »

Please read up on their campaign before you comment...
http://www.google.ie/search?q=shell+to+sea&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

To be honest, the first few results are all blatant propaganda (yes, even the wiki entry;)).

I think that most people agree with some of the points of S2S, but the way they are trying to deal with it turns most people off and will definitely fail (so why bother?).

Mr.Micro

A lost cause . Shell are going to get their way .We are being globalized by everybody else. Oil and gas operated by Shell and owned by Shell .The Government gave the licence .The Irish People lose out

Steyr

Galwayguy99 wrote: »

Maybe he does, and he doesn't agree with their point of view. You mightn't agree with him, but hey, he's also entitled to his point of view. Course, he wouldn't be entitled to it in Bangor Erris, either you support the Shell to Sea idiots or you shut the **** up. If you express an alternative view there you'll be subject to serious intimidation. Nice.
Ever since the troubles ended and the Shinners don't have anything to protest about anymore these idiots are looking for any bandwagon to jump on. The local NIMBYs and the bussed in "idealists", a match made in heaven :rolleyes:

Thank you, couldnt have put it better.

Steyr

Karoma wrote: »

From his post, he seemed to be of the impression that the protestors are anti-"oil/gas etc"...

Oh please.

nesf

Steyr wrote: »

Oh please.

Actually he had a point, your original post didn't inspire confidence in me that you'd wasted time actually wading through the incoherent hippie gibbering that surrounds them in order to form a reasoned and measured opinion on which to base your rants.

Steyr

nesf wrote: »

Actually he had a point, your original post didn't inspire confidence in me that you'd wasted time actually wading through the incoherent hippie gibbering that surrounds them in order to form a reasoned and measured opinion on which to base your rants.

Sorry if it came acrosse like that but i googled them fools and also was on their site.

Blackjack

Muggy Dev wrote: »

Whatever the merits of their case,you have to wonder if the rest of us devoted half the energy of those guys in protest of the shambles that is our health sevice,perhaps our problems would´nt be so acute.

Indeed. When you are 50+ miles from the nearest hospital that provides any sort of acute/Emergency servicing hospital, it's hard to give a rats about a health service that won't serve you when you're in dire need of it.

I don't agree with the tactics being employed by these characters, but I do have some sympathy for them.

For example, the road that services the plant is the best road in the area. Prior to the plant being built, you'd have to wait an age before a pothole (of which there were many) to be filled in. You'd also never, ever, see a Garda anywhere near the area. That said, there was little crime worth mentioning.

There are some genuine concerns to be expressed, but the crew being employed to do so are the wrong ones.

They are also the reason that Jerry Crowley lost his seat, which is a damn shame, he was an exceptionally good representative for that area.

SUNGOD

slang name for a snail in waterford " a shell to sea bukey "

2 stroke

I Stopped buying shell products when they had Irish people locked up. Adds up to about €3000/year home and car. I believe hitting their balance sheet is more effective than supporting the shinner element.
I'm not against development but am against large corporations riding roughshod over local comunities.

padi89

3 men arrested, one from Belfast,one from Dublin and one from Cork if i remember correctly......WTF??:rolleyes:

arybvtcw0eolkf

padi89 wrote: »

3 men arrested, one from Belfast,one from Dublin and one from Cork if i remember correctly......WTF??:rolleyes:

Just wondering, were they members of Sein Fein?.

Zzippy

Mairt wrote: »

Just wondering, were they members of Sein Fein?.

Now now Mairt, why would you say such a thing?? You know the Shinners would never get involved in that kind of shananigans!

Seth Brundle

mike65 wrote: »

Jubus Kbannon you're not a fan are you? Hand in your Modship of Motors immediately!

I fully agree with the removal of the resources so my motor can get from A to B.
I don't agree with our government effectively giving away these resources. I am also against the method design/route of this project and the fact that the high pressure pipe is in reasonable proximity to peoples homes.

dotsman wrote: »

To be honest, the first few results are all blatant propaganda (yes, even the wiki entry;)).

I think that most people agree with some of the points of S2S, but the way they are trying to deal with it turns most people off and will definitely fail (so why bother?).

I agree but I was merely pointing out the the OP appeared to be misunderstanding their argument.
I always believe that the hippies who do a lot of campaigning do a lot to harm the campaign (e.g. Glen of the Downs, Carrickmines, Tara) as they don't fit into our comfortable idea of what people should look like but at the same time, if they didn't do it there would be nobody else on the ground trying to protest.

humanji

2 stroke wrote: »

I Stopped buying shell products when they had Irish people locked up. Adds up to about €3000/year home and car. I believe hitting their balance sheet is more effective than supporting the shinner element.
I'm not against development but am against large corporations riding roughshod over local comunities.

Considering that last years profits were $25.44 billion, I don't think they'll miss your €3000. Plus, they'll be make up for it per week when the line is finished.

keen

Wouldn't call the protesters "twats" at all. Fair play to them for sticking with their principles and not giving up with all the pressure put on them from the Garda etc.

I for one are in support of their cause.

nesf

keen wrote: »

Fair play to them for sticking with their principles and not giving up with all the pressure put on them from the Garda etc..

My problem is that while they have every right to protest and they should be supported in that, some of the things they did should have been punished severely. They tried to block a public road ffs, intimidated locals in favour of the project and similar crap. Protesting at the side of the road every day would have been fine, got the message across and kept the peace. Blocking the road or trying to drive a car through a garda cordon is the kind of antics that we could do without tbh.

Pythia

Most of the people who protest are not from the area. Many aren't even from Ireland, it's just rent a crowd of angry lefties

Wertz

A question for all the people rhyming off the fact that many protestors are not from the immeadiate area; so the f*ck what?
You don't have to be directly affected to have an opinion, an interest or a motive for protest....fact is that when Shell get away with this, it'll be some other company in some other part of the island doing something similar....the actions by Shell and our own past governments have set the precedent here...if you don't protest this one you have even less chance of any other protests at a later date being in any way successful.

Jeapy

Shell have been throwin plenty of money round down there...

http://www.westernpeople.ie/news/story/?trs=mhidkfidey

150k to a GAA club! I think fair play to the residents for not giving up on what they believe in, but I cant see their protest going anywhere tbh.

AngryBadger

Muggy Dev wrote: »

if the rest of us devoted half the energy of those guys

Why don't we jsut get those guys to devote all their energy to something productive? Like developing other renewable energy technologies?

Pythia

Wertz wrote: »

A question for all the people rhyming off the fact that many protestors are not from the immeadiate area; so the f*ck what?
You don't have to be directly affected to have an opinion, an interest or a motive for protest....fact is that when Shell get away with this, it'll be some other company in some other part of the island doing something similar....the actions by Shell and our own past governments have set the precedent here...if you don't protest this one you have even less chance of any other protests at a later date being in any way successful.

The point is, many of these people just like a good protest. They like causing trouble. They aren't that interested in the actual issue.

galwayrush

Shell to Sea idiots will probably make billions extra profit for Shell, all the delays while the price of a barrell of Oil / Gas shoots through the roof.

Snarler

Regardless of their cause they are protesting illegally and should be given every bit of rough treatment they ask for.

gyppo

kbannon wrote: »

I don't agree with our government effectively giving away these resources.
I am also against the method design/route of this project and the fact that the high pressure pipe is in reasonable proximity to peoples homes.

Nail on head. The stuff has been there for millions of years, but the government effectively makes a gift of it to Shell because there is no present facility to harvest it. Are Bertie & Co afraid this stuff is going to go off??
Imo, this smacks off the cap-tipping this country is renowned worldwide for.

Its also amazing the sheer number of garda that can be rounded up to patrol this area, whilst parts of cities such as Limerick which have been ignored for years are left to fester in practical anarchy.

Wertz

Pythia wrote: »

The point is, many of these people just like a good protest. They like causing trouble. They aren't that interested in the actual issue.

So you're just going to lump in people protesting from outside the immeadiate region with SF and rentamob?
That's unfair. I know there are people there who's sole motivation is having their right to protest trampled on and maybe get a dig at a cop, but my point about legitimate protestors from outside the region stands; this is not a simple local issue...it's just that the primary safety fears of locals is the biggest, most immeadiate issue, not necessarily the most important one from a national perspective..

2 stroke

humanji wrote: »

Considering that last years profits were $25.44 billion, I don't think they'll miss your €3000. Plus, they'll be make up for it per week when the line is finished.

Maybe they won't feel my €3000, but at least I didn't support the wrong side with my €3000. If everybody in this country switched suppliers shell would see that the protest had public suport, they're used to protesters hanging out of trees.

slinky

eroo wrote: »

The Gardai are there to uphold law and order,

Why aren't the gardai in my town to uphold "law and order"? We've had a murder, stabbings, a number of armed robberies not to mention the weekly drudge of "low-level" crime (this is a rural town). There aren't enough gardai on the beat where real crime is taking place but then it's always easier uphold "law and order" by bashing a few protestors...perhaps we better get digging and pray for oil!

The problem isn't with bringing gas ashore it's how it's brought ashore: the Rossport 5 want it refined at sea.

My major problem with this project is this: RAY BURKE agreed a deal with Shell that gave the Irish people no royalties, not a RED CENT. This is our natural resource not Shell's, they made a 26billion profit - I think they'd survive paying a decent tax. They must be having a laugh in their boardroom - pay no royalties, maximize profits and hand over 150 grand to the local gaa club:mad:

thefinalstage

Steyr wrote: »

Saw them on the news again tonight....Will those twats ever give up? We are a Nation highly dependent on Oil/Gas etc, get over it.

The gas it for selling not for our consumption.

jimmycrackcorm

slinky wrote: »

Why aren't the gardai in my town to uphold "law and order"? We've had a murder, stabbings, a number of armed robberies not to mention the weekly drudge of "low-level" crime (this is a rural town). There aren't enough gardai on the beat where real crime is taking place but then it's always easier uphold "law and order" by bashing a few protestors...perhaps we better get digging and pray for oil!

I've no doubt that the Gardai would be there if the criminals announced that they were going to gather together to commit the crimes.

I don't know why people are protesting about a high pressure pipeline but not about cars which kill hundreds every year.

darkman2

Their campaign ('shell to sea') is not all it seems. There is something more sinister about those that have hijacked it. Against commercial enterprise etc etc............communism, socialism and facism all apply to those who support the village idiots.

Wompa1

kbannon wrote: »

Please read up on their campaign before you comment...
http://www.google.ie/search?q=shell+to+sea&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

Yeah I agree with their agenda, I'm all for the gas line being putting down but I don't know why they have to organise shows of support every so often, I'm comfortable showing my support by buying obscene amounts of oil from my local statoil and dousing some of my more worthless belongings like the things I would give to a needy charity otherwise and lighting it up in my support for the project. God bless those soldiers of fortune, if you'll excuse me I have to get back to my virtual life on Red Light Centre, I'm Tony Scrotum ladies and if your willing to put out I'll pay for your VIP

Seth Brundle

darkman2 wrote: »

Their campaign ('shell to sea') is not all it seems. There is something more sinister about those that have hijacked it. Against commercial enterprise etc etc............communism, socialism and facism all apply to those who support the village idiots.

When have they made the point that thy are against commercial enterprise. Their argument is to have the oil processed offshore and no on-shore.

Terry

She sells sea shells by the sea shore.

eroo

''Why aren't the gardai in my town to uphold "law and order"? We've had a murder, stabbings, a number of armed robberies not to mention the weekly drudge of "low-level" crime (this is a rural town). There aren't enough gardai on the beat where real crime is taking place''

The world is not perfect.If we could have enough Gardai in every town and city then we would put them there but we just do not need a load of Gardai in rural areas where there is very little crime.If they were sent into your area then they would have to be sent in to EVERY area.
Also,the Gardai are no different to any other police force,they cannot be everywhere!

What annoys me about the protesters is there claim that the Gardai are 'Shells Police Force'.They are not,they are simply protecting the local populus and workers(who are also civilians!) from being attacked.They are stopping public roads being blocked and....they are stopping the protesters breaking the law by trespassing!
Just let be thankful they live in Irealand,just look at how protesters are treatewd in Pakistan!Thankfully we live in a democracy..

one-angry-dwarf

have to say i'm astonished at some of the replies so far. plenty of people taking issue with the fact that a lot of the protesters are not from the area. so what?! you don't have to live in rossport to be disgusted at whats going on there.Irelands a tiny county anyway. so if you're from a few miles down the road it's none of your business?
Fair play to the guys who are actually up there trying to change something. weather you support their views or not at least they are out there standing up for something they believe in. it's more than most people (myself included) do. ranting away on a message board is grand but few people actually go out and stand up for other people. yea, it's possible some people's motives are questionable. guys just up for smashing up some cops or rioting or whatever, but i don't think it matters. the fact that they're there is the important thing.

Trode

one-angry-dwarf wrote: »

Fair play to the guys who are actually up there trying to change something. weather you support their views or not at least they are out there standing up for something they believe in. it's more than most people (myself included) do. ranting away on a message board is grand but few people actually go out and stand up for other people. yea, it's possible some people's motives are questionable. guys just up for smashing up some cops or rioting or whatever, but i don't think it matters. the fact that they're there is the important thing.

No offense, but I find that a highly questionable position. Do you really think all protestors, regardless of their motives or goals, are laudable purely for getting up and doing something about their beliefs? Because if so, you're supporting people who are a lot more unpleasant than Shell to Sea.

lostexpectation

the locals do protest everyday, you just don't hear about it, you only hear about the protests days because of the violence from gardai, why did nobody post about the locals who stopped illegal drilling by shell last week?