the Naughties

ecoli

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Bollocks!

And it's likewise with music. I never pine for "The good old days" because there is rarely a shortage of great music being made, it just goes under the radar. I think that people who often complain about there being a lack of good music these days are just too lazy to look around and listen to new things, they want something to just land in their laps.

i can agree there have been some great bands to come thru for instance there is the birth of indy so to speak but i dont feel that this generation has been one that will produce mainstream "legends"

in terms of tv shows as was earlier spoke about i feel that there has been a revival that will bridge the gap created by the 90s such as prison break 24 lost

Mr Alan

KINGS OF LEON and RYAN ADAMS

enough said.

Pigman II

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Bollocks!

Ah leave the guy alone Karl. From reading his post I'd wager he's in his late 20's or hitting 30 and just going thru a case of the Nostalgias.

grumpytrousers

ecoli wrote: »

i can agree there have been some great bands to come thru for instance there is the birth of indy so to speak but i dont feel that this generation has been one that will produce mainstream "legends"

in terms of tv shows as was earlier spoke about i feel that there has been a revival that will bridge the gap created by the 90s such as prison break 24 lost

see, and this is NOT a personal comment directed at you ecoli, this is precisely the kind of bollocksology that really gets on my wick...

"the birth of indy", by which i trust you mean 'indie'...Indie's been bloody well with us since god knows; i guess when the first independent record label was set up. It became a tag (as far as i was aware) in or around the early 80's when you had the Smiths on Rough Trade, The Cure on Fiction and Depeche Mode on Mute records.

It's only recently that 'Indie' has suddenly morphed into a byword for 'scruffy lads playing guitars noisily'...Christ almighty...that's nothing new! Nearly all of the bands that would be described as 'indie' are on major labels, altho' the majors do tend to set up mini-labels so it doesn't immediately look like another 'Universal Music' release; this trend started, i think, in the 90's when EMI set up 'Food records' so Blur could look cool and still rake the dosh in for the lads at Manchester Square...

Karl Hungus

ecoli wrote: »

but i dont feel that this generation has been one that will produce mainstream "legends"

I don't see why not? Who knows what people'll be thinking of as legendary in the years to come.

Pigman II wrote: »

Ah leave the guy alone Karl. From reading his post I'd wager he's in his late 20's or hitting 30 and just going thru a case of the Nostalgias.

Sorry, I tend to rant, especially about the whole lack of good films lately... There's been loads! Open your eyes!

Sorry, did it again there...

nyarlothothep

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Bollocks!

As far as film goes, the 00's have been fantastic. Memento, Spirited Away, The Prestige, Batman Begins, Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind, Pan's Labyrinth, Downfall, Oldboy, V For Vendetta, Mulholland Drive, Hot Fuzz, Shaun Of The Dead, Casino Royale, Children Of Men, and so many more it minds the boggle!

I'm not going to say it's been better or worse than any other decade, but on the whole, good film makers have never stopped making good films.

And it's likewise with music. I never pine for "The good old days" because there is rarely a shortage of great music being made, it just goes under the radar. I think that people who often complain about there being a lack of good music these days are just too lazy to look around and listen to new things, they want something to just land in their laps.

nah, most of the films and tv produced this decade have just been meh for me with the exceptions of American Psycho which come close to being the best film ever made and Spaced. Same for music, most of it this decade leaves me cold. Ok and Shaun of the Dead, Oldboy, Team America and Pans Labyrinth are good films but a lot of naughts films don't interest me.

SEPT 23 1989

Commercial Hip-hop/rnb Garbage Has Destroyed And Polluted Music Its Is The Cocaine Of This Age Of Music Rotting The Minds Killing The Love Years Ago You Picked Up A Guitar And Played Now Its Fake Gold Fake Gangsters And Treating Woman Like Slags And Writing About Nothing Of Any Relevance To Anything In The Real World
When Hip Hop First Hit It Was Fantastic Fresh Music With A Message Not This Crap Thats Released Now Where Is The New Punk Type Era To Put This Crap To The Sword?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

nyarlothothep wrote: »

nah, most of the films and tv produced this decade have just been meh for me with the exceptions of American Psycho which come close to being the best film ever made and Spaced. Same for music, most of it this decade leaves me cold.

that's got more to do with you than the naughties..

nyarlothothep

Mordeth wrote: »

that's got more to do with you than the naughties..

Ive been saying all along in my opinion I don't like whats on offer in the naughts.

BaZmO*

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Ive been saying all along in my opinion I don't like whats on offer in the naughts.

Your opinions on this thread remind me of the saying, "If you complain about being bored all the time you're a boring person"

There have been tonnes of great music and movies released over the last decade, you just need to look for some. And it's never been easier to access all this wealth of talent. Granted there's a lot of thrash out there too but that has always been the case. The mind just has a great knack of filtering out all the chaff from the past.

As for who'll have legendary status in years to come I'll have to agree with John.

John wrote:

Sigur Rós will be remembered. They're the sort of band who is popular but not mega mega mega huge in their day but will have a knock on effect in years to come.

Inspiring band.

nyarlothothep

BaZmO* wrote: »

Your opinions on this thread remind me of the saying, "If you complain about being bored all the time you're a boring person"

There have been tonnes of great music and movies released over the last decade, you just need to look for some. And it's never been easier to access all this wealth of talent. Granted there's a lot of thrash out there too but that has always been the case. The mind just has a great knack of filtering out all the chaff from the past.

As for who'll have legendary status in years to come I'll have to agree with John.


Inspiring band.

Making personal remarks doesn't follow just because I don't agree with you.

BaZmO*

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Making personal remarks doesn't follow just because I don't agree with you.

Personal remarks? :rolleyes:

gustavo

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Commercial Hip-hop/rnb Garbage Has Destroyed And Polluted Music Its Is The Cocaine Of This Age Of Music Rotting The Minds Killing The Love Years Ago You Picked Up A Guitar And Played Now Its Fake Gold Fake Gangsters And Treating Woman Like Slags And Writing About Nothing Of Any Relevance To Anything In The Real World
When Hip Hop First Hit It Was Fantastic Fresh Music With A Message Not This Crap Thats Released Now Where Is The New Punk Type Era To Put This Crap To The Sword?

you know what , ordinarily I wouldnt agree with that statement , but you typing every word with capital letters really swayed me so , Well Done You!

lordgoat

gustavo wrote: »

you know what , ordinarily I wouldnt agree with that statement , but you typing every word with capital letters really swayed me so , Well Done You!

Most useless post ever?? He makes a valid point regardless of his typing. Why woulf you normally disagree with him? Do you actually think that commercial hip hop has any worth? Feel free to enlighten us... Or did you just want to make an empty statement??

grumpytrousers

Karl Hungus wrote: »

I don't see why not? Who knows what people'll be thinking of as legendary in the years to come.

Well, here's a vague stab at 'legendary' - record an album of three minute sloppy but good pop songs in 1963 and by 1966 have picked up MBE's, made two motion pictures, released 5 or six albums, continue to tour almost all of that time AND put the wheels on the UK side of the psychadelic bandwagon.

okay - so in a way using the Beatles as any kind of yardstick on a music forum can be somewhat akin to Godwins law, but d'you see what i mean.

I'm not dissing current music, but there's nobody - NOBODY - doing that kind of thing nowadays. And that's what i interpret what the OP means by legendary. Maybe the word 'iconic' would be better; there doesn't appear - right now - to be a band or an act that has exemplified the 'sound' of this decade.

That's not to say that this decade won't produce 'legendary' acts, but they'll be smaller legends, just as there are so many more niches in which one can be top dog but still relatively unknown; don't get me wrong, it's not the music that's wrong at all...but the impact that present day acts till have on the consciousness of the greater general public (not musos, in other words:D) is significantly lesser as we move away from the twentieth century.

Karl Hungus

grumpytrousers wrote: »

Well, here's a vague stab at 'legendary' - record an album of three minute sloppy but good pop songs in 1963 and by 1966 have picked up MBE's, made two motion pictures, released 5 or six albums, continue to tour almost all of that time AND put the wheels on the UK side of the psychadelic bandwagon.

okay - so in a way using the Beatles as any kind of yardstick on a music forum can be somewhat akin to Godwins law, but d'you see what i mean.

I'm not dissing current music, but there's nobody - NOBODY - doing that kind of thing nowadays. And that's what i interpret what the OP means by legendary. Maybe the word 'iconic' would be better; there doesn't appear - right now - to be a band or an act that has exemplified the 'sound' of this decade.

That's not to say that this decade won't produce 'legendary' acts, but they'll be smaller legends, just as there are so many more niches in which one can be top dog but still relatively unknown; don't get me wrong, it's not the music that's wrong at all...but the impact that present day acts till have on the consciousness of the greater general public (not musos, in other words:D) is significantly lesser as we move away from the twentieth century.

Hmm...

I don't think that many bands can live up to that kind of legendary status at all, if we're talking The Beatles, there's maybe only Elvis who's as comparitively legendary.

Maybe this is a good thing though? Perhaps people are just exposed to more music these days, and don't devote their entire musical enjoyment to just one artist? I mean, the kind of people obsessed with Elvis are just sad, in my view (Not talking about any regular fans mind you, nothing wrong with the guy's music at all, just those crazy "Church Of Elvis" types) and that kind of fandom is perhaps something we could do without in this day and age?

I did kinda get the wrong impression with your thread, thinking it was about no good music being made lately, but you make an interesting enough point, and I do kinda agree that perhaps bands today wouldn't be legendary in the same way, but definitely think that it could be a good thing.

Personally, I'd like to think of a band as legendary more so because of what they themselves have done, rather than how fanatic their fans are. I'd certainly count The Beatles as legendary simply because of how influencial they were. Today, I'd consider (For example) Devin Townsend a legend, because in about a decade he's accomplished so much with an astonishing amount of albums, either with Strapping Young Lad, The Devin Townsend Band, Devlab or his crazy Ziltoid project (Think Jeff Wayne's War Of The Worlds crossed with tongue in cheek Heavy Metal), or anything else he's done, he's just come out with so many astonishingly good, vastly different and original works.

Anywho, I think there's legends, but in different (And in some ways, better) ways.

grumpytrousers

actually karl, it was only last night watching telly that it sorta dawned on me of the two different kinds of legends...i mean, while the beatles were doing their latter facial hair things and acquiring 'legend' status, you had the Velvet Underground doing *their* thang and becoming legends in their own little way.

what we'll get more of is more 'velvet underground' style legends now; in other words that when people come to look at, i think, this decades music there won't be, that many readily identifiable globe-straddling behemoth stadium-filling bands people can name off. There WILL be plenty of bands who deserve to be that, i've no doubt, but not many will make it to the point marked 'era defining' cos they just won't have had the cultural impact.

Again, at the risk of overstating my case, this isn't a reflection on the music that is produced today; in the sixties/seventies and most of the eighties there were very limited outlets for music and so if a band made it big on one, they were everywhere. NOWADAYS, you hit channel 340 on your sky box and you can go how far with different niche channels...and that's before hitting digital radio, lastfm and the other myriad of ways music gets out there to an (admittedly more fragmented) audience.

and i agree with you about the amount of legends about today that you name (not that i know any of 'em , but your word is as good as the next mans!), but like i say, they're 'secret legends'; with his usual flipping foresight, Bob Dylan said once something along the lines of "fame comes too quickly these days. Some people, Leonard Cohen, Paul Brady, Lou Reed have it down right. Secret Heroes"

He said that, mind you, in 1991 if not earlier, but i think he had a point. We've the same thing today, except that fame isn't coming to a lot of current innovators at all, and the rest of us are, sadly, missing out!

gustavo

lordgoat wrote: »

Most useless post ever?? He makes a valid point regardless of his typing. Why woulf you normally disagree with him? Do you actually think that commercial hip hop has any worth? Feel free to enlighten us... Or did you just want to make an empty statement??

that bit

Lands Leaving

Thing is, when we look back in say twenty years at this decade, there will be bands who we say in the future were legendary now. Not sure who, but legendary is an adjective applied to bands when we look back on them. Legends take time to develop. The only problem now is that the trashy crap has kind of taken over, and there isn't an alternative sound per se, like punk, brit pop, rock and roll, etc, that people have gotten into collectively. If I mention any band of the noughties (hate that word!!) most people will disagree that they can be legendary.

Case in point, my money would be on bloc party and the arctic monkeys (ps I hate the arctic monkeys, but they will be looked back on as one of the big bands of this era.) and maybe coldplay (hate them too, but therein lies my point)

Any other ideas what bands might become 'legendary'?

BaZmO*

Lands Leaving wrote: »

bloc party

Bloc Party will never ever ever ever be considered legendary ever!

Lands Leaving

Point proven!

Makaveli

McFly.

Just wait and see.

Lands Leaving

I'll be in the cold cold ground before they're legendary.

Now Busted, they were a BAND!

Turbulent Bill

Probably a bit early to tell, but Arcade Fire would be a good bet. Two strong albums, a distinctive sound and probably enough variety to sustain a career without becoming samey.

Lands Leaving

Ah that second album was patchy at best. Some great tunes but some a bit dull

lordgoat

Lands Leaving wrote: »

Now Busted, they were a BAND!

Miles ahead of bloc party anway!!!


Wilco are in my opinion the best band around at the moment. And i think the music that make particularly when they play it live has longevity that is not present in so many of my other favourite bands.

I also think Neil Young is one of the all time greats.

enner43

Not really much to choose from but i think the arcade fire will be there

'Ol Jack Chance

Id say cold war kids, arcade fire, the hold steady and maybe the killers. maybe.

MagicMarker

Muse ARE legends already. Seriously, if there's anyone who's stuck in the 60's and 70's it's me. But Muse are up there with the best of them.

As for other bands, these bands may not be considered legendary in 10 or 20 years but you'd still remember them i think...

Foo Fighters
QOTSA
The Arctic Monkeys
Air
Oasis
Coldplay
Radiohead
Kings of Leon
Rodrigo Y Gabriela
The Raconteurs (if they make a few more albums)
White Stripes

and i'd say the list is endless tbh

tech77

nyarlothothep wrote: »

just to add, this decade has been very poor for music/films/culture in general imo. The 90s for me, were much better with artists like Radiohead, NIN, Nirvana, Pulp, Portishead, MC Hammer etc, films like Pulp Fiction, 12 Monkeys, Desperado and Scream and tv shows like The Simpsons (when they were good and got started) The X Files, and Bottom. Overall I just liked the 90s more. This decade has just been an imitation of the 80s and while the 80s at least had its own identity and some great films, this decade has no identity of its own beyond being an 80s rehash. Music has become more about image and haircuts rather than about the music, its become very conservative in that sense. I think that there will be a backlash to whats around now, probably around 2009/10 and I look forward to it. Roll on the 90s appreciation decade!

MC Hammer?
I'm reading this and agreeing with you about Radiohead and Nirvana and then you mention MC Hammer?

Anyway lets be honest though, the naughties have been polluted by so much depressing manufactured boyband/girlband $hite it seems the good stuff (which is definitely still out there somewhere) is just pushed aside and harder to come by.
Someone mentioned Wilco.. perfect example of what's pushed aside to make way for the above $hite.

I might just be getting nostalgic but i can't honestly say the naughties have produced anything terribly exciting like Radiohead, Suede, Nirvana and Pearl Jam in the 90's and the Smiths, Depeche Mode, the Cure and The Pixies in the 80's.
Even someone like Madonna in the 80's was so much more ballsy than her pathetic equivalents today.

Also all those British bands starting with 'The' just sound so samey and uninspiring. Very forgettable stuff TBH.

I like the Strokes' sound and style but as others say its not seminal.. still.
Coldplay: I still think some of their music is great.
The Killers are decent
Other than that can't think of much else really at the moment..