Lazy Teachers

squishywishy

dame wrote: »

I'm sure most of you would actually agree that personal things should be planned for (where possible) holiday periods.

Where possible i would yes but i want a christmas wedding when i get married so i have no problem with taking a day or two off to allow that to happen. I work hard all year round and ill only take a day or two off for my wedding once in my life. Between now and 65 thats not much to ask for. people in other careers pull sickies for less important reasons, why arent you moaning about that??

dame

rainbowtrout wrote: »

While I most definitely have the experience of preparing work for many hours after school and being involved extra curricular activities, I think perhaps the above example may be a bit extreme in some respects. From my experience most communion/confirmation practice would take place in school hours as would sports days. And I'm not splitting hairs but I've never heard of any school starting at 8am. It's generally not feasible in rural schools because of the bus runs.

Actually, before I forget (meant to say this earlier), kudos to rainbowtrout for being the only teacher to be honest and point this out. I believe rainbowtrout does not exaggerate his/her extra hours of work.

squishywishy

dame wrote: »

Who has slated your hard work?

emmmmmmmmmm let me see................YOU!
you've be moaning and notching about how teachers dont do any work once the school day ends. I have been up to my eyes with planning and paper work for the last two weeks and prior to that too!!
I correct all the childrens work after class and stay back to put displays up and meet parents, none of that gets any recognition in any of your posts. with the way you go on you'd swear i hand out work sheets and sit looking at the children working all day before ticking a few lines or sums.

dame

squishywishy wrote: »

people in other careers pull sickies for less important reasons, why arent you moaning about that??

I'm not, not moaning about that. Obviously there are some dead weights in every profession. That was agreed upon pages back. In some professions you will get disciplined for such a misdemeanour (pulling sickies without good cause). It would definitely be a negative mark towards you when going for promotion or for a raise. You might even get fired if you did it too often or if it meant you didn't meet a deadline.

squishywishy

dame wrote: »

I believe rainbowtrout does not exaggerate his/her extra hours of work.

Im not exaggerating my working day at all! I arrive in school at 8.10-8.15 and do prep work before bringing the kids in for 9, i teach until 2.40 and drop the kids out to be collected at 2.45 and would leave the school at earliest 3.30 - 4. After dinner i always have work to do, amount depends on the day in it.

Student teachers also get very littel recognition. they do HOURS of prep each night as do Dip teachers. Kudos to them!

dame

squishywishy wrote: »

none of that gets any recognition in any of your posts.

Have to be pedantic here; that's not "slating".

squishywishy

dame wrote: »

In some professions you will get disciplined for such a misdemeanour (pulling sickies without good cause). It would definitely be a negative mark towards you when going for promotion or for a raise. You might even get fired if you did it too often or if it meant you didn't meet a deadline.

Same in teaching....whats your point???

squishywishy

dame wrote: »

Have to be pedantic here; that's not "slating".

It is in the way you say it, many others here have and will agree

dame

squishywishy wrote: »

Im not exaggerating my working day at all! I arrive in school at 8.10-8.15 and do prep work before bringing the kids in for 9, i teach until 2.40 and drop the kids out to be collected at 2.45 and would leave the school at earliest 3.30 - 4. After dinner i always have work to do, amount depends on the day in it.

Student teachers also get very littel recognition. they do HOURS of prep each night as do Dip teachers. Kudos to them!

Time and time again: most people do extra hours and bring work home with them, especially in the early years of their career.

Fast_Mover

squishywishy wrote: »

Student teachers also get very littel recognition. they do HOURS of prep each night as do Dip teachers. Kudos to them!

Thanks squishywishy!! Perhaps I should start a thread 'Should Student teachers get paid?' Wonder what dame would have to say!!:rolleyes:
Here surrounded by SESE books planning lessons for next week.

dame

squishywishy wrote: »

Same in teaching....whats your point???

What's yours?

squishywishy

dame wrote: »

Time and time again: most people do extra hours and bring work home with them, especially in the early years of their career.

Havent heard of any doctors or nurses bringing home charts or shop assistants bringing home shirts to fold or bank clerks bringing bags of money to count!?!?

dame

Fast_Mover wrote: »

Thanks squishywishy!! Perhaps I should start a thread 'Should Student teachers get paid?' Wonder what dame would have to say!!:rolleyes:
Here surrounded by SESE books planning lessons for next week.

Should every student get paid?

squishywishy

Fast_Mover wrote: »

Thanks squishywishy!! Perhaps I should start a thread 'Should Student teachers get paid?' Wonder what dame would have to say!!:rolleyes:
Here surrounded by SESE books planning lessons for next week.

We tried to get grants last year but nothing happened!! Get yourself off to bed, SESE can be done tomorrow...you'll be wrecked!!! The jpys of TP

dame

squishywishy wrote: »

Havent heard of any doctors or nurses bringing home charts or shop assistants bringing home shirts to fold or bank clerks bringing bags of money to count!?!?

Maybe not but you'll have heard of them working extra hours and you'll definitely have heard of people ringing up a doctor who's off duty, in a panic about something.

The bank clerk would get locked up for that!

squishywishy

dame wrote: »

Should every student get paid?

For the money spent on teaching resources only, nurses and doctors get uniform allowances so teachers should be no different for the vital pieces of equipment we need to teach

dame

squishywishy wrote: »

teachers should be no different for the vital pieces of equipment we need to teach

:eek: They don't provide you with chalk or white board markers and big card for posters and all that stuff? :mad: They really should.

squishywishy

dame wrote: »

Maybe not but you'll have heard of them working extra hours:D;)

thats my point, we do extra hours and everyone says oh but they're off at 2 and have the weekend but other professions stay late and everyone talks about how hard it is for them!!

Ive worked in office jobs too and i can honestly say that some days teaching can feel like you've done a twelve hour shift and it might only be 11am

squishywishy

dame wrote: »

:eek: They don't provide you with chalk or white board markers and big card for posters and all that stuff? :mad: They really should.

Nope, we get nada when we are on teaching placement. Everything including photocopying comes out of the students pocket. It can cost hundreds depending on the school and what you are teaching

dame

squishywishy wrote: »

thats my point, we do extra hours and everyone says oh but they're off at 2 and have the weekend but other professions stay late and everyone talks about how hard it is for them!!

Ive worked in office jobs too and i can honestly say that some days teaching can feel like you've done a twelve hour shift and it might only be 11am

That may be, but when other people do extra hours it's usually after a longer day/week to start with.

I agree with you, teaching would be much more pressurised than a lot of office jobs. I mean you'd be tired after answering the phone on a reception desk for 8 hours but it would be a lot easier than teaching for 6 hours.

Fast_Mover

Atleast in an office job your sitting down..over the past two weeks I'v been out teaching I can honesly say I havn't sat down once, not even while their doing their work..your walking around observing them, seeing are they all on task, having any problems, spelling, etc..only time im not on my feet is when I get to the staff room and thats after iv spend 10minutes of my break getting the children to eat their lunch and go outside..im wreaked when I get home everyday but yet iv to face into preparing for the next day.

Rhonda9000

Impartially speaking, I would like to say that dame is winning the argument I think. I don't have an opinion on teachers ... it is all relative, everyone believes they are more overworked and underpaid than anyone else. As an aside, I think everyone can swallow pretty easily the fact that the civil service has a higher proportion of unincentivized, unproductive workers comfortably evading corporate restructuring/downsizing, unrealistic target obligations ('benchmarking' is bull****), 'stingy pension schemes etc. (NOTE: NOT SAYING ANYBODY IN THIS CONVERSATION IS). My hat off to the genuinely hard working decent teachers out there that deliver; it's not a profession I could cope with.

Seth Brundle

dame wrote: »

*sigh* Go back a few pages kbannon. The "no" was in answer to another poster who had asked a question which had already been answered earlier in the thread.

I don't care about that. My question asked where you are getting all your information regarding teachers which justified starting this thread. Your distinct lack of knowledge about teachers in general prompted me to ask it. Twice you have not answered it.

dame wrote: »

Nah, he's ruled himself out of the "argument" too due to his lack of personal experience.
He's obviously totally unreliable, just like he'd have me to be.

FFS - now you are posting shíte! How did I rule myself out of the argument? I asked a question twice and you refused to answer it.
How have I shown myself to be unreliable?

rainbowtrout

squishywishy wrote: »

Nope, we get nada when we are on teaching placement. Everything including photocopying comes out of the students pocket. It can cost hundreds depending on the school and what you are teaching

Don't bother campaigning for pay for student teachers, it won't work, we tried it when we were in college and the response is basically, 'the college don't have to fund your work placement and the Dept of Ed is already paying a qualified teacher to do those hours so why should they pay you, that would be paying 2 people to do the same hours which is never going to happen'


Teaching practice can be expensive resource-wise but I think dame's comment was fair. In all of my placements I was given board markers/chalk/ access to photocopier. Now I did go to expense buying posters to draw things for class etc but as everyone who has done teaching practice will know, inspectors love to see student teachers using a whole plethora of resources, therefore you are going to make the effort to get as high a grade as possible, I know some schools were stingy when it came to things like using the photocopier and I know student teachers who paid for all their own photocopying etc, but my experiences were generally positive in that respect. I don't know how it works for primary school student teachers but there was a teaching practice resource section in my college library where we could take charts out on loan and save the cost of materials to make our own ones.

Trotter also made the point about 2 pages back about his/her working day starting at 8am etc. I think for a newly qualified teacher to be doing long hours the first year or two is the norm, making out resources, handouts etc for every subject, having said that once you have gone throught the full cycle on any syllabus - primary or secondary, that level of work preparation should realistically reduce in some way. I do replace handouts or look for new ways to teach things every year but I don't rehash every handout and resource year after year. I still spend time after school correcting work, photocopying, preparing work for classes but nothing like I spent the first year making worksheets and handouts which i am still using to a large extent.

Trotter

dame wrote: »

Actually, before I forget (meant to say this earlier), kudos to rainbowtrout for being the only teacher to be honest and point this out. I believe rainbowtrout does not exaggerate his/her extra hours of work.

I'm not exaggerating my hours. I start at 8am. As I said already, that gives me time before the children arrive. You're picking and choosing your quotes now, and to be honest, I think its clear you have an agenda. Theres no point in me trying to argue my point against that.

dame

Trotter wrote: »

I'm not exaggerating my hours. I start at 8am. As I said already, that gives me time before the children arrive. You're picking and choosing your quotes now, and to be honest, I think its clear you have an agenda. Theres no point in me trying to argue my point against that.

Yes, but as has already been agreed (by most people I think?), anyone in the early stages of any career will be expected to put in extra hours. Whether you do your extra bits and pieces before or after the regular day's work is irrelevant and is a personal choice.

Terry

liberty 2007 wrote: »

Looks like you have'nt changed!

Banned.

Ooh. I just noticed that was my 9,666th post.
We definitely need an evil smiley.
I've also just noticed that should he decide to reply to the PM I sent him notifying him of the ban, it will be my 666th PM.

dame

kbannon wrote: »

I don't care about that. My question asked where you are getting all your information regarding teachers which justified starting this thread. Your distinct lack of knowledge about teachers in general prompted me to ask it. Twice you have not answered it.

FFS - now you are posting shíte! How did I rule myself out of the argument? I asked a question twice and you refused to answer it.
How have I shown myself to be unreliable?

I've at least as much (in fact it would appear here that I have more) knowledge of teaching than you have! You claimed that I should be ignored because I did not have personal experience of the classroom (which I do actually, as tenuous as that claim may be). Ergo, you should be ignored because you do not have personal experience of the classroom.

It should be quite clear that my knowledge has come from years of being around teachers (and absorbing information by osmosis) and from the millions of conversations I have had with them. I have actually had conversations with some of the teachers I know in which they have complained about colleagues of theirs taking time off (such as I mentioned in this thread), rather than doing what they want to do during their holidays. Not all teachers do it, but a fair few do.

dame

Rhonda9000 wrote: »

Impartially speaking, I would like to say that dame is winning the argument I think.
<snip>
My hat off to the genuinely hard working decent teachers out there that deliver; it's not a profession I could cope with.

Thank you Rhonda9000!

squishywishy

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Don't bother campaigning for pay for student teachers, it won't work, we tried it when we were in college and the response is basically, 'the college don't have to fund your work placement and the Dept of Ed is already paying a qualified teacher to do those hours so why should they pay you, that would be paying 2 people to do the same hours which is never going to happen'

Thats what i said in the previous post, i was part of the campaiging too

Seth Brundle

dame wrote: »

I've at least as much (in fact it would appear here that I have more) knowledge of teaching than you have! You claimed that I should be ignored because I did not have personal experience of the classroom (which I do actually, as tenuous as that claim may be). Ergo, you should be ignored because you do not have personal experience of the classroom.

It should be quite clear that my knowledge has come from years of being around teachers (and absorbing information by osmosis) and from the millions of conversations I have had with them. I have actually had conversations with some of the teachers I know in which they have complained about colleagues of theirs taking time off (such as I mentioned in this thread), rather than doing what they want to do during their holidays. Not all teachers do it, but a fair few do.

You know nothing about my background.
In fact I spent many years in the education system albiet at third level. However, living with a teacher, socialising with other teachers (her colleagues and friends on my side), etc. I believe that I know quite a bit.

Anyhow, my point is that you are making general statements about teachers without sufficient proof. You stillk haven't said how you managed to gain stats on every teacher in the country given that you feel you can speak on their behalf.

Lastly, I didn't claim that you should be ignored because you "did not have personal experience of the classroom", I claimed that you should be ignored because your were talking "shíte".

Fighting Irish

dame wrote: »

Hi folks,

What do you think of the fact that teachers are entitled to a week off for their wedding? I'm not joking, if a teacher gets married during the school year they are entitled to the week off, paid. Is this not taking the piss?

Also, I know of a teacher who took a week off to get laser eye treatment. Shouldn't she just have done this during the summer, or the Halloween week off, or waited until the three weeks off at Christmas, or even the Easter holidays??? (Some) Teachers are the laziest people in Ireland! They seem to have the weakest work ethic and strongest sense of entitlement I have ever come across outside of an umemployed person who has no intention of looking for work, ever.

I'm not a teacher and i still :rolleyes: to your post

dame

kbannon wrote: »

You know nothing about my background.
In fact I spent many years in the education system albiet at third level. However, living with a teacher, socialising with other teachers (her colleagues and friends on my side), etc. I believe that I know quite a bit.

Anyhow, my point is that you are making general statements about teachers without sufficient proof. You stillk haven't said how you managed to gain stats on every teacher in the country given that you feel you can speak on their behalf.

Lastly, I didn't claim that you should be ignored because you "did not have personal experience of the classroom", I claimed that you should be ignored because your were talking "shíte".

Good for you. It obviously didn't broaden your vocabulary by very much. :rolleyes:

To be honest, you know only about as much as I do (about teaching) at most. I've already pointed that out to you.

Have you done surveys and gained statistics on "all" teachers? How have you analysed the results? In a totally unbiased and scientific manner one would hope? Or are you just speaking on your wife's behalf? Very galant of you. However, I'm sure she is more than capable of speaking up for every other teacher of her profession if she felt the need. Maybe not. Perhaps she's busy all weekend marking homework and making out lesson plans.

dame

Fighting Irish wrote: »

I'm not a teacher and i still :rolleyes: to your post

You should read the rest of the thread. Some of the crap spouted by others has been well and truly quashed, if I do say so myself.

Toto Wolfcastle

dame wrote: »

Good for you. It obviously didn't broaden your vocabulary by very much. :rolleyes:

To be honest, you know only about as much as I do (about teaching) at most. I've already pointed that out to you.

Have you done surveys and gained stats on "all" teachers, or are you just speaking on your wife's behalf? Very galant of you. However, I'm sure she is more than capable of speaking up for every other teacher of her profession if she felt the need. Maybe not. Perhaps she's busy all weekend marking homework and making out lesson plans.

Seriously, I'd like to know, why exactly do you seem to have such a negative attitude towards teachers? I mean, you're entitled to your opinion, but I would like to know why you have formed such an attitude.

(Oh, and check your own spelling before you decide to correct another's)

dame

janeybabe26 wrote: »

Seriously, I'd like to know, why exactly do you seem to have such a negative attitude towards teachers? I mean, you're entitled to your opinion, but I would like to know why you have formed such an attitude.

(Oh, and check your own spelling before you decide to correct another's)

I haven't corrected anybody's spelling here. By a lack of vocabulary, I was referring to the very elegant use of the word "sh1te".

I actually don't have a bad attitude towards teachers. I simply think that they should do what they want to do during their holidays. If I am coming across as negative it is probably because I have been exploding a few myths, exaggerations and untruths here.

(Oh, and check your comprehension before commenting).

Seth Brundle

1. Don't criticise other posters vocabulary. If you were referring to my use of 'sh1te' then why highlight a different sentence?
2. I don't have stats on all teachers. However, I'm not the one making sweeping statements about them all - you were and still have not provided a source for your points (despite everyone reading this knowing that you are making it up for whatever reason).
3. I'm not sure what your fixation on re-raising my wife's situation is for. I am merely questioning your claims and statements. You keep pointing to the fact that my wife is a teacher.

dame wrote:

If I am coming across as negative it is probably because I have been exploding a few myths, exaggerations and untruths here.

You have, have you?
Anyhow, I couldn't be bothered reading any more of your ill-informed trolling rubbish - I'm unsubscribing from this thread!

dame

kbannon wrote: »

1. Don't criticise other posters vocabulary. If you were referring to my use of 'sh1te' then why highlight a different sentence?
2. I don't have stats on all teachers. However, I'm not the one making sweeping statements about them all - you were and still have not provided a source for your points (despite everyone reading this knowing that you are making it up for whatever reason).
3. I'm not sure what your fixation on re-raising my wife's situation is for. I am merely questioning your claims and statements. You keep pointing to the fact that my wife is a teacher.
You have, have you?
Anyhow, I couldn't be bothered reading any more of your ill-informed trolling rubbish - I'm unsubscribing from this thread!

1. I highlighted that sentence and the word sh1te.
2. I have actually. You must not have been following properly.
3. You keep pointing to the fact that I am not a teacher. You have pointed to the fact that your wife is a teacher as if that gives you far more insight than I could ever have. It doesn't.

Goodbye, kbannon! You weren't actually helping the teachers cause anyway, so you won't be any loss to that side of the discussion.

dame

kbannon wrote: »

dame wrote:

If I am coming across as negative it is probably because I have been exploding a few myths, exaggerations and untruths here.

You have, have you?

Just to illustrate that this was not an erroneous claim, see the excerpt below for a prime example of same:

dame wrote:

slumped wrote:

OK - we need to clarify something - MY posts relate to PRIMARY

Primary School Teacher:

8am - 3pm (typically) which results in 7 hours teaching a day.

2 hours planning per day

4 Sundays for Communion Preparation (if involved)
10 BOM meetings after hours (if teachers rep/principal/VP)
2 Sundays for Confirmation
1 Open Day (Sunday)
1 Sports Day (Sunday)

There are 183 teaching days in the school year.

183 x (7 hours teaching + 2 hours prep per day) = 1647

Meetings/Communions etc. as above = 50

Preparation every weekend = 2 x 33 weekends = 66 hours

Add together: 1763 hours

Divide this by 48 and it works out at 36 hours per week.

So to sum up - Teachers at Primary level do as much work in their 'short' year as we do in our normal 35 hours a week job.

S

In your example you must be taking a teacher working in a one room school and teaching every single class. How often does a teacher teach both Communion and Confirmation classes in the one year???

Confirmation happens once every two years and in some dioceses it takes place on a weekday. That depends on the Bishop.

[ASIDE: There are talks to move the Confirmation forward until the candidates are older. Transition year has been mentioned as possible time to do it.]

Sports Day happens on a weekday in June in any school I've ever been to or heard of holding one.

Rural schools do not hold an Open Day as such. They are more likely to have parents dropping in during the school day to enquire about enrolling their kids. (Anyway, if the school is a big one in a city with lots of other schools around, then it's not going to have the one teacher teaching Communion and Confirmation is it?)


Basically, your example is absolute worst case scenario and it would not happen in reality.

togster

dame wrote: »

1. You keep pointing to the fact that I am not a teacher. You have pointed to the fact that your wife is a teacher as if that gives you far more insight than I could ever have. It doesn't.

.

Eh it does. He can see what his wife does after work so in fact that qualifies him alot more than it does you. My mother and sister are teachers at primary and secondary level respectively. My mother has been a teacher for the last 30 years. She works as hard as anyone else in any job i know. She is involved in debating teams, young scientist teams, consumer awareness teams, hurling, basketball, school musicals, and she helps kids in her class on her own time without getting paid. My sister does the same. And before you rush in with your condescending language and generalised conclusions, yes i agree that some taechers don't do the same amount of outside work as others. But this occurs in many areas of employment. I still think you have a grudge for a reason or else you just enjoy creating a fuss.:rolleyes:

thefinalstage

togster wrote: »

Eh it does. He can see what his wife does after work so in fact that qualifies him alot more than it does you. My mother and sister are teachers at primary and secondary level respectively. My mother has been a teacher for the last 30 years. She works as hard as anyone else in any job i know. She is involved in debating teams, young scientist teams, consumer awareness teams, hurling, basketball, school musicals, and she helps kids in her class on her own time without getting paid. My sister does the same. And before you rush in with your condescending language and generalised conclusions, yes i agree that some taechers don't do the same amount of outside work as others. But this occurs in many areas of employment. I still think you have a grudge for a reason or else you just enjoy creating a fuss.:rolleyes:

Her own time is a relative term. I mean that time can be taken away from their holidays and they would still be up three months or more on the rest of us.

BTW: Consumer awareness team?

togster

thelastangryman wrote: »

Her own time is a relative term. I mean that time can be taken away from their holidays and they would still be up three months or more on the rest of us.

BTW: Consumer awareness team?

Nah its not a relative term for her. Her job is her life. She doesn't count hours etc.

thefinalstage

togster wrote: »

Nah its not a relative term for her. Her job is her life. She doesn't count hours etc.

Still, she is three months up. Its good that she enjoys her work though. You can always tell when teachers do.

togster

thelastangryman wrote: »

Still, she is three months up. Its good that she enjoys her work though. You can always tell when teachers do.

Yes but what do you propose? That we send kids to school all year round?

ChowChow

thelastangryman wrote: »

Still, she is three months up. Its good that she enjoys her work though. You can always tell when teachers do.

There is a reason teachers have long holidays - you have to perform in front of a class from one end of the day to the other no matter what your mood/state of mind. In some secondary schools, teaching is as much about classroom management and controlling disruptive/abusive students as getting your job done. Not to mention the odd psychotic parent f*ing you out of it and dealing with tragic events such as suicides. My wife is a teacher and she loves her job - but I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
If the 3 months holidays bug you so much, do the teacher training, and get a teaching job. Simple.

togster

ChowChow wrote: »

There is a reason teachers have long holidays - you have to perform in front of a class from one end of the day to the other no matter what your mood/state of mind. In some secondary schools, teaching is as much about classroom management and controlling disruptive/abusive students as getting your job done. Not to mention the odd psychotic parent f*ing you out of it and dealing with tragic events such as suicides. My wife is a teacher and she loves her job - but I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
If the 3 months holidays bug you so much, do the teacher training, and get a teaching job. Simple.

QFT Chow Chow. My dad had a breakdown teaching assh#les. And as already said most people don't become a teacher for the holidays1

dame

togster wrote:

Eh it does. He can see what his wife does after work so in fact that qualifies him alot more than it does you.

Eh, it doesn't. I've seen what plenty of teachers do both before and after work too. I have lived with teachers.



Right, to lay this to bed: I believe most teachers do a fantastic job, are dedicated, care about their students, strive to do the best they absolutely can for all students in their care, etc. They could do with more pay but that's for their unions and the government to make any changes possible to improve that. I have no problem with them having long holidays. My only complaint was that they should do what they want to do within those holidays, and not be taking time out from the school day/year unless there is an emergency. Them being sick, having a funeral to go to, one day for a graduation, etc is all fine, but really and truly non-medically necessary, elective surgery (essentially for cosmetic reasons) and weddings and the like, can and should be fitted into holiday periods.

togster

dame wrote: »

Eh, it doesn't. I've seen what plenty of teachers do both before and after work too. I have lived with teachers.



Right, to lay this to bed: I believe most teachers do a fantastic job, are dedicated, care about their students, strive to do the best they absolutely can for all students in their care, etc. They could do with more pay but that's for their unions and the government to make any changes possible to improve that. I have no problem with them having long holidays. My only complaint was that they should do what they want to do within those holidays, and not be taking time out from the school day/year unless there is an emergency. Them being sick, having a funeral to go to, one day for a graduation, etc is all fine, but really and truly non-medically necessary, elective surgery (essentially for cosmetic reasons) and weddings and the like, can and should be fitted into holiday periods.

Oh so all the other sweeping generalisation that you made were just that generalisations. So really you only have problems with teachers who take time off to go to weddings. Thats great glad you finally clarified your position.:rolleyes:

dame

togster wrote: »

So really you only have problems with teachers who take time off to go to weddings. Thats great glad you finally clarified your position.:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:
Yet another person who either cannot read or just hasn't bothered. It was the planning of their own weddings for a school week and taking that week off, rather than having it during their holidays. Is that so difficult to get one's head around?

togster

dame wrote: »

:rolleyes:
Yet another person who either cannot read or just hasn't bothered. It was the planning of their own weddings for a school week and taking that week off, rather than having it during their holidays. Is that so difficult to get one's head around?

Yeah i have read everything you have "written". You first post said that yes it you also said "They seem to have the weakest work ethic and strongest sense of entitlement I have ever come across outside of an umemployed person who has no intention of looking for work, ever."

In a recent post you said this "I believe most teachers do a fantastic job, are dedicated, care about their students, strive to do the best they absolutely can for all students in their care". So i think i know what has stemmed this thread from you... you are a disgruntled student who wasn't thought very much english especially the meaning of the word "contradictive". You posted a thread hid behind it and popped up every now and then to make ridiculous statements. You are probably bored at wok and need something to liven your day up. Don't see too many teachers doing that.. up to their eyes in corrections i suspect.:rolleyes: