I hate the Patriots but

Coileach dearg

...my god, they are unreal tonight.

These records could all be broken tonight by Brady and Moss:

Most Passes Completed, Game
45 Drew Bledsoe, New England vs. Minnesota, Nov. 13, 1994 (OT)

Most Yards Gained, Game
554 Norm Van Brocklin, Los Angeles vs. N.Y. Yanks, Sept. 28, 1951

Most Touchdown Passes, Game
7 Sid Luckman, Chi. Bears vs. N.Y. Giants, Nov. 14, 1943

Most Touchdowns, Game
5 Bob Shaw, Chi. Cardinals vs. Baltimore, Oct. 2, 1950

Lirange

Yep, the Cyborgs making mince pies of the billy goats.

Melion

Sorry but what the hell is the story with the pundits dreads in the studio with kev cadle? It looks like a bird has taken a **** on his head

dulpit

Melion wrote: »

Sorry but what the hell is the story with the pundits dreads in the studio with kev cadle? It looks like a bird has taken a **** on his head

Funnily enough one of the lads' sisters said that a couple of weeks ago... It is dodge all right...

The Patriots are getting ridiculously scary good, can any stop them at all??

Dodge

Melion wrote: »

Sorry but what the hell is the story with the pundits dreads in the studio with kev cadle? It looks like a bird has taken a **** on his head

Its just a bit of grey. Somebody asked about it last week. No design or anything...

Pats scored a TD with every single Brady drive. :eek:

Crapjob Sean

Coileach dearg wrote: »

...my god, they are unreal tonight.

These records could all be broken tonight by Brady and Moss:

Most Passes Completed, Game
45 Drew Bledsoe, New England vs. Minnesota, Nov. 13, 1994 (OT)

Most Yards Gained, Game
554 Norm Van Brocklin, Los Angeles vs. N.Y. Yanks, Sept. 28, 1951

Most Touchdown Passes, Game
7 Sid Luckman, Chi. Bears vs. N.Y. Giants, Nov. 14, 1943

Most Touchdowns, Game
5 Bob Shaw, Chi. Cardinals vs. Baltimore, Oct. 2, 1950

We are witnessing a great team.
A team that has evolved past the parity system.
A team that encapsulates the single bloodymindedness of their coach like none before.
A team with the best QB in the NFL in his prime, with the best core of receivers, with an OL that could not be overrated and a defense that regards anything but a shut out a defeat.
A team that does all the things other teams say they will do.
A team that doesn't gloat or showboat.
A team that just wins, baby.

We are witnessing history.

How can you not love them?

Vikings

Crapjob Sean wrote: »

A team that doesn't gloat or showboat.

Bull.

If going for it on 4th down within field goal range while leading by 30 odd points is not gloating/showboating then I don't know what is.

Example: Up by 42-10 (32 points) in the 3rd quarter on your opponents 10 yard line. It's 4th and 1. Most teams would just kick a field goal here and take the 3 points but the Patriots are trying to run up the score so they go for it.

And that's what it is. Is it impressive? Well yes they are, but they arent making any friends in doing so. Expect at least a couple more running up the score story lines before the end of the season.

Crapjob Sean

In my view, kicking a field goal is scoring and is therefore running up the score. Going for it on 4th is giving the other team the chance to stop them scoring. Stop them on 4th, you get the ball and the score doesn't change.
Every time they take the field, that offence wants to score a TD. That's their job, it's the other team's job to stop them.
And since when did going for it on 4th become so objectionable? That's always one of my favourite things in any game. I get a frisson of excitement when I'm watching any game and someone says "They're going for it on 4th!" Beer down. Eyes front.
I always liked coaches when they did it, always thought it was ballsy. Even Shanahan.

Glad you agree with the other points though

Vikings

I'll agree with you somewhat there, watching a team go for it on 4th down is enjoyable but only in the right conditions.

One of those conditions for me would be when a team needs the first down. The Patriots had already scored 42 points, which if it had of stayed at 42 would still have been enough to be the top scoring team of the week (Cardinals with 35 behind the Patriots) so watching the Patriots go for it to score another touchdown to run up the score is not something which is exciting to me.

Kicking a field goal would not be running up the score, you can't exactly just hand the ball back to the other team once you reach their goal line. Kick the field goal, take the 3 points and then kick it off again. Keeping your offense out on the pitch to get a first down and 3 more shots at the end zone is running up the score.

Dodge

Its definitely showboating. I've no problem with that personally. And pretty ironic that your post full of gloating includes a bit about the team not gloating...

hanton12

being a Pats fan is great now, but it will come to an end sometime, as does all great runs. The last 6 years have been unreal, and so good to watch, and this season is surpassing all expectations.

But ....

Superbowls arent given out after 10 games. The season will be worth nothing if they dont continue their form and take the superbowl. All the records which 'may' be broken wont mean much to Brady, Bellicheck etc if they dont take the biggest prize of them all.

I am indifferent to the 'running up' of the score. On one hand, I kinda feel, i dont know, sort of embarrased or apologetic about it. But on the other hand, I really like the determination and the concentration of the team and the fact that they are steadfastidly taking everything seriously. There is a clip of Brady on NFL network where he is shouting to the offence 'We are not finished', and I do like the focus the team has. He is out to do his job, and as long as he is on the field, he is doing everything in his power to get scores on the board.

Its been a great season so far for the Pats, but as I said, nothing is won mid season, and I wont be celebrating anything or talking of achievements until seasons end. I'll enjoy the games until then, but its in the post season where the Pats have to prove their dominence.

Crapjob Sean

Vikings wrote: »

Kicking a field goal would not be running up the score, you can't exactly just hand the ball back to the other team once you reach their goal line. Kick the field goal, take the 3 points and then kick it off again. Keeping your offense out on the pitch to get a first down and 3 more shots at the end zone is running up the score.

I still say giving the others a chance to stop you rather than actually scoring more points adds less points to the board.

Dodge wrote: »

Its definitely showboating. I've no problem with that personally. And pretty ironic that your post full of gloating includes a bit about the team not gloating...

I didn't mean it to come off that way.
If it's gloating to say Angelina Jolie is beautiful or Mozart wrote incredible piano music, then I'm guilty of gloating.
I'm just trying to get across that we're witnessing something unique in its own way.
An unstoppable footballing force. A perfect storm.
It's a thing of beauty in its own right. If you like football I'm not sure how you can't like what this team is doing right now.

Dodge

Can you not see the difference between saying they're unbelievably good, and posting this

We are witnessing a great team.
A team that has evolved past the parity system.
A team that encapsulates the single bloodymindedness of their coach like none before.
A team with the best QB in the NFL in his prime, with the best core of receivers, with an OL that could not be overrated and a defense that regards anything but a shut out a defeat.
A team that does all the things other teams say they will do.
A team that doesn't gloat or showboat.
A team that just wins, baby.

We are witnessing history.

How can you not love them?

Not even a little bit of gloating?

Washout

Vikings wrote: »

I'll agree with you somewhat there, watching a team go for it on 4th down is enjoyable but only in the right conditions.

One of those conditions for me would be when a team needs the first down. The Patriots had already scored 42 points, which if it had of stayed at 42 would still have been enough to be the top scoring team of the week (Cardinals with 35 behind the Patriots) so watching the Patriots go for it to score another touchdown to run up the score is not something which is exciting to me.

Kicking a field goal would not be running up the score, you can't exactly just hand the ball back to the other team once you reach their goal line. Kick the field goal, take the 3 points and then kick it off again. Keeping your offense out on the pitch to get a first down and 3 more shots at the end zone is running up the score.

but isnt there a case for practicing 4th down conversions in a real game environemtn. that way your gaining better experience in being successful at it when required.

Also I do not believe in running up the score being so bad. your putting it in the mindset of opponents and potential opponents that you a ruthless offensive unit.

I personally find it more exciting watching scores being made rather than a team taking the easy FG option.

I want to continue to see the likes of Randy Moss making great plays.

Crapjob Sean

Dodge wrote: »

Can you not see the difference between saying they're unbelievably good, and posting this



Not even a little bit of gloating?

I'd take out the bit about doing what other teams say they will. But only because it can be misconstrued.
I only have love in my heart.

machiavellianme

Vikings wrote: »

Bull.

If going for it on 4th down within field goal range while leading by 30 odd points is not gloating/showboating then I don't know what is.

Example: Up by 42-10 (32 points) in the 3rd quarter on your opponents 10 yard line. It's 4th and 1. Most teams would just kick a field goal here and take the 3 points but the Patriots are trying to run up the score so they go for it.

And that's what it is. Is it impressive? Well yes they are, but they arent making any friends in doing so. Expect at least a couple more running up the score story lines before the end of the season.

So would you be of the opinion that Henry Shefflin should go for a point every time he gets the ball when he's playing for Killkenny hurlers just because they're so far ahead that it doesnt matter if he doesnt take his goals?
Nonsense.
If a team can score, they should. People come to see a team give their all. This board is plagued every week by users complaining because their team rests as soon as they take the lead (across the entire spectrum of sport).
I say let them score if they are able. It should be up to the others to stop them, its not up to the Patriots to feel sorry for everyone else that they are crushing en route.

Vikings

machiavellianme wrote: »

So would you be of the opinion that Henry Shefflin should go for a point every time he gets the ball when he's playing for Killkenny hurlers just because they're so far ahead that it doesnt matter if he doesnt take his goals?
Nonsense.

Woah woah woah hold up... you are comparing American Football to Hurling? Thats nonsense.

I'm not saying a team should kick a field goal as soon as you get into field goal range, thats just absurd. But when it comes to 4th down and you are leading by 32 points, its patronising to go for the 1st down instead of kicking a field goal.


Washout, I do enjoy watching good and exciting football. Field Goals are not very exciting ill admit but I still dont like seeing a team do what the Patriots did last night. They went for it twice on 4th down while in FG range deep in Bills territory while leading by over 4 scores, there is no need for that. Good experience? Nope. Its all about situations and when you need to convert a 4th down thats where you get the experience, not facing a defense that just wants the game to end.

Not trying to have a go at the Patriots here, just what they did. Belichicks fault It'd be the same if any other team did it, including my own.

Crapjob Sean

Obviously no one's going to change their opinions here but part of BB's rationale for keeping going for TDs late in games is that not every game is as one-sided as the Bills game.
Against the Colts he needed to send his offense out there with less than 10 minutes to go while down 20-10. It could be argued that the relentless nature of their play in the 2nd half of previous games helped them overturn that defecit.
But who knows? What he's doing is working. He's going to stick with it til it's not.

Dodge

Crapjob Sean wrote: »

It could be argued that the relentless nature of their play in the 2nd half of previous games helped them overturn that defecit

thats one of the greatest stretches in the history of forums...

Crapjob Sean

Dodge wrote: »

thats one of the greatest stretches in the history of forums...

Ha.
I don't agree though.

Pulling starters and easing off the gas in the 3rd and 4th is not good prearation for playing the Superbowl champs.
I think playing tough with a winning attitude for 60 minutes every game helped in the end of Colts game.

Pherekydes

Coileach dearg wrote: »

...my god, they are unreal tonight.

These records could all be broken tonight by Brady and Moss:

Most Passes Completed, Game

45 Drew Bledsoe, New England vs. Minnesota, Nov. 13, 1994 (OT)

Failed

Most Yards Gained, Game
554 Norm Van Brocklin, Los Angeles vs. N.Y. Yanks, Sept. 28, 1951

Failed

Most Touchdown Passes, Game
7 Sid Luckman, Chi. Bears vs. N.Y. Giants, Nov. 14, 1943

Failed

Most Touchdowns, Game
5 Bob Shaw, Chi. Cardinals vs. Baltimore, Oct. 2, 1950

Failed

:D:D:D:D

Crapjob Sean

Slow coach wrote: »

Failed



Failed



Failed



Failed

:D:D:D:D

Arf!
They're total failures!!!!

Vikings

Crapjob Sean wrote: »

Ha.
I don't agree though.

Pulling starters and easing off the gas in the 3rd and 4th is not good prearation for playing the Superbowl champs.
I think playing tough with a winning attitude for 60 minutes every game helped in the end of Colts game.

It's also a good way to get your starters injured. Keep them healthy and keep them fit, they sure as hell dont need the experience.

Your comparison between the Colts game and last nights game is completely different. Again its all about situations. Patriots were behind be 10 points in the 4th quarter against the Colts, they needed to have their best players out there to give them the best chance to score.. which they did.

Against the Bills they were up 32 and needed nothing. Why create a pile at the line of scrimmage to gain a yard on 4th down all it does is increase the risk of injury to your linemen.

Crapjob Sean

Vikings wrote: »

It's also a good way to get your starters injured. Keep them healthy and keep them fit, they sure as hell dont need the experience.

Your comparison between the Colts game and last nights game is completely different. Again its all about situations. Patriots were behind be 10 points in the 4th quarter against the Colts, they needed to have their best players out there to give them the best chance to score.. which they did.

Against the Bills they were up 32 and needed nothing. Why create a pile at the line of scrimmage to gain a yard on 4th down all it does is increase the risk of injury to your linemen.

Your concern for the Pats health is touching

Vikings

Got to look out for my brothers in arms... even if they are patriots

heyjude

hanton12 wrote: »

being a Pats fan is great now, but it will come to an end sometime, as does all great runs.

I can't wait for that time to come and by the time it does the Patriots will have lost what few friends they have left.

Now when the Pats go miles head in a game, the only reason for a neutral supporter(that is someone that doesn't support one of the teams involved) to keep watching, is in the hope that when they try to run up the score when 4-5 scores ahead, some big DT will flop on Brady and end not just his sesaon, but the Patriots season too, in a situation in which Brady shouldn't even have still been on the field.

Its not like the 49ers when they had Montana and Young at the same time, if Brady gets crocked, the Patriots superbowl dreams will disappear too, for despite all the talk about their super defence(and it is pretty good), they aren't like the Ravens of seasons past or even the Bears of last year, so that the D isn't good enough to carry them to victory in the playoffs. They have no depth at QB and with Brady passing so much, its hard to measure their rushing game. Running up the score and risking your most valuable player in the process is crazy, but the prospect of having the score run up against them, is sure to fire up all the defensive linemen and linebackers trying to get to Brady over the remainder of the regular season.

walt colman

I will be at the Phyilly game in Foxborough next Sunday. I fully expect the Patriots to try and score on every possession. If, as was the case last night, the opposition cannot defend the pass then I expect them go for the touchdown instead of a field goal. Even if they are leading by a huge margin I expect them to keep the starters on the field until well into the fourth quarter.

To do anything less would show disrespect for the opposition and deprived me, the paying customer, from seeing the game of football being played at its best ever.

This is a fantastic period for Patriots fans and we should not apologize for enjoying the moment.

Go Pats. :D

tallaghtoutlaws

This talk of running up scores gets very annoying after a while. John Madden said itright last night. If the Defense are powerless to stop anything the Patriots do how is it the fault of the Patriots that everytime they move the ball they get yards.

To prove sort of a point the Pats ran both their FB in the last 2 quarters and even they were getting huge yardage Eckles a rookie FB ran through the Bills as if they werent even there now when there is still plenty of time on the clock and your rookies are even getting huge yardage against a team and you score what do you do to stop running up the score?

Folks this isnt college football this is Professional football if Arsenal or Man Utd were hammering someone 10-0 in a game and kept scoring with every attack would they be accused of running up the score and Barry that chap that referred to hurling is right to compare the 2 for this argument its the same thing when a team are just that good. Why do people think American Football is different to anyother professional sport. If a team cant stop another team well then do something about it. Its hard for the Patriots not to look like they are gloating hell they have been running over everyone hell who knows if they will go unbeaten.

Oh and the 4th down thing people a field goal is a score is it not???? If the Bills had of stopped the Pats as it is their job on 4th down to do it there would be no issue of running up the score now would there. The Bills D stopped them for the first 3 down why not the 4th??

tallaghtoutlaws

walt colman wrote: »

I will be at the Phyilly game in Foxborough next Sunday. I fully expect the Patriots to try and score on every possession. If, as was the case last night, the opposition cannot defend the pass then I expect them go for the touchdown instead of a field goal. Even if they are leading by a huge margin I expect them to keep the starters on the field until well into the fourth quarter.

To do anything less would show disrespect for the opposition and deprived me, the paying customer, from seeing the game of football being played at its best ever.

This is a fantastic period for Patriots fans and we should not apologize for enjoying the moment.

Go Pats. :D

You sir I want to buy you a drink to celebrate our Pats :D:D

Vikings

Ah you know i've nothing against the Patriots really...just Belichick ah no but it was a bit of a joke that.

Check out last week even when Green Bay slaughtered us 34-0, they didn't run up the score in that game. Our defense couldn't stop them and they scored on us... a lot. They even converted two 4th and short on us but both of those were in the first half when they game was 7-0 and 10-0 not exactly impossible to comeback by that much. Think the Packers had only 2 short 4th downs in the second half but punted both times, they kicked field goals on the other 4th downs.

It's one thing the defense not being able to stop the offense, but when they are held short on 3rd down its just bad form to go for it on 4th when you are leading by so much. No matter what the team... if the Packers had of done it against us last week there'd be at least 4.5 threads on here with me bitching about them, mostly directed at Favre.

walt colman

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

You sir I want to buy you a drink to celebrate our Pats :D:D

I might be having a few Harpoons alright. :D:D

tallaghtoutlaws

Vikings wrote: »

Ah you know i've nothing against the Patriots really...just Belichick ah no but it was a bit of a joke that.

Check out last week even when Green Bay slaughtered us 34-0, they didn't run up the score in that game. Our defense couldn't stop them and they scored on us... a lot. They even converted two 4th and short on us but both of those were in the first half when they game was 7-0 and 10-0 not exactly impossible to comeback by that much. Think the Packers had only 2 short 4th downs in the second half but punted both times, they kicked field goals on the other 4th downs.

It's one thing the defense not being able to stop the offense, but when they are held short on 3rd down its just bad form to go for it on 4th when you are leading by so much. No matter what the team... if the Packers had of done it against us last week there'd be at least 4.5 threads on here with me bitching about them, mostly directed at Favre.

Dude its a professional sport though are we still missing this point. Any other sport outside the US its quite acceptable in fact baseball it is aswell oh and basketball in fact American Football is the only sport that deems it a problem. College ball I can agree with as its technically amateur and they are schools and the NCAA dont want to promote making other teams look stupid as the other team is a school. But in professional sport these players are paid millions and are supposed to be the best of the best so is it wrong for the Patriots and Colts and Cowboys and all these other teams to have playmakers that can open up a can of whoopass every play hell no thats what they are paid for. And the Defensive coach and players are paid the same wage to stop it.

I coach and play for the Tallaght Outlaws and we got hammered over 40 points in alot of our games in our first season did I complain or did our head coach complain about running up the score hell no we didnt we were a rookie team and couldnt stop the stronger teams such is life we will aim to better ourselves and at least keep the scores down until one we can do the same.

At the end of the day the running up of the score argument is petty and if professionals cant learn to deal with it then maybe they should think about a sport they can deal with.

Oh and for those stats gurus out there this is the 1st time the Patriots went into the 50's all season long didnt Philadelphia destroy someone 54 - 21 back in week 5??? The 3 teams the Patriots were accused of running up the score against were also 3 of there Division rivals Dolphins (Sh*t) Bills (Sh*t) Jets (sh*t). Even if the Patriots put Matt Cassell in against these 3 we probably would have still beaten them just not by the huge margins but you get my point.

Vikings

Yeah well... Patriots suck

Actually i'm just jealous you got Brady and Moss together in the iafs fantasy league, those two buggers have outscored my whole team put together almost every week.

tallaghtoutlaws

Vikings wrote: »

Yeah well... Patriots suck

Actually i'm just jealous you got Brady and Moss together in the iafs fantasy league, those two buggers have outscored my whole team put together almost every week.

hehe you all laughed at me saying i would be screwed in week 10 hehe :D but it was the rest of the weeks around it that counted lol

heyjude

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

if Arsenal or Man Utd were hammering someone 10-0 in a game and kept scoring with every attack would they be accused of running up the score

To compare American Football with its unlimited substitutions with soccer, hurling or any sport with just a handful of substitutions makes no sense. But as you brought it up, if Arsenal or Man Utd were 10-0 up, then I would expect that the big names such as Rooney(if he wasn't injured already), Fabregas etc to be subbed to save them from injuries etc. Wait and see this weekend if Arsenal or Man Utd go 3-4 goals ahead and watch the managers start to withdraw players with possibly a third of the match still to go, they do it regularly. Its not to avoid running up the score, but once a game is won, why risk injuries to your star players. It also gives other players a chance to get some match experience/fitness.

What do you think the likes of Ferguson or Wenger would give, to have unlimited substitutions and enough players on the bench to be able to pull off all their starters once they were far enough ahead ? They'd love it.

Bellichick has a big advantage over Wenger and Ferguson, he can pull off his stars and if the opposition gets a couple of scores, he can put his starters back in again. In hurling, once a game is won a team can go for points rather than goals, like the Patriots could have gone for a field goal instead of going for it on 4th down. But unlimited substitutions is the real difference, taking Brady out of the game carried no risk, leaving him in, did.

tallaghtoutlaws

heyjude wrote: »

To compare American Football with its unlimited substitutions with soccer, hurling or any sport with just a handful of substitutions makes no sense. But as you brought it up, if Arsenal or Man Utd were 10-0 up, then I would expect that the big names such as Rooney(if he wasn't injured already), Fabregas etc to be subbed to save them from injuries etc. Wait and see this weekend if Arsenal or Man Utd go 3-4 goals ahead and watch the managers start to withdraw players with possibly a third of the match still to go, they do it regularly. Its not to avoid running up the score, but once a game is won, why risk injuries to your star players. It also gives other players a chance to get some match experience/fitness.

What do you think the likes of Ferguson or Wenger would give, to have unlimited substitutions and enough players on the bench to be able to pull off all their starters once they were far enough ahead ? They'd love it.

Bellichick has a big advantage over Wenger and Ferguson, he can pull off his stars and if the opposition gets a couple of scores, he can put his starters back in again. In hurling, once a game is won a team can go for points rather than goals, like the Patriots could have gone for a field goal instead of going for it on 4th down. But unlimited substitutions is the real difference, taking Brady out of the game carried no risk, leaving him in, did.

What has subs got to do with my point. Patriots choose to leave the strongest team on the field and win the game by adding more points and get accused of running up a score. Liverpool played Besikitas in the CL recently and put 8 past them and rotated their players and you could argue the subs they used were thier stongest also hence why the pool play a rotation system. My point was regardless of who is on the field in GAA or Soccer or Rugby etc etc tney dont get accused of running up a score because nobody cares. the weaker team lost by a big margin and need to look into why they lost by that score simple fact. Any sport you could argue until the cows come home that team A ran up the score on you but what you should be more concerned is the fact you couldnt stop them. Again they are supposedly the best of the best Coaches should do their job and make sure a thumping doesnt happen again.

As for the points and 4th down thing is a contradiction to the argument of running up the score 3 pts for a field goal is still running up the score. On 4th down gives the Bills or any team another attempt to stop them. So how does that compare to a hurler scoring a point or goal. The patriots could have gained the 1st down and not scored on those 4 downs :rolleyes:

Lirange

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

hehe you all laughed at me saying i would be screwed in week 10 hehe

That's because they didn't notice you were playing moi in Week 10. Luck strikes in your hour of need.

Pherekydes

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Oh and for those stats gurus out there this is the 1st time the Patriots went into the 50's all season long...

Obviously not a stat guru, then? :rolleyes:

Second time in three games over 50. And the fourth time in five games that they've been over 48.


Stat gurus? You don't have to be a stat guru just to check the results.

tallaghtoutlaws

Slow coach wrote: »

Obviously not a stat guru, then? :rolleyes:

Second time in three games over 50. And the fourth time in five games that they've been over 48.


Stat gurus? You don't have to be a stat guru just to check the results.

Sorrry 2nd time. As a Pats fan i stopped counting the scores get so used them being so high :D

daveirl

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tallaghtoutlaws

daveirl wrote: »

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Totally agreed Bellichek wants total domination. Charlie Weiss said it after he left the Patriots that Bill would rather keep his starters out there as it keeps competition healthy for places and it means his starters have all the experience neccessary. Junior Seau even was saying at the start this year that he has never felt as young in his life becuase he has had to keep himself in top health to keep out all the other younger LB's out of the 1st string. Most Patriot fans would like to see Brady stay on the field right to the end also.

One thing about this risking injury thing. Dan Marino said it back at the start of the season that teams removing players to prevent injury is something that rarely happened back in his playing day as most coaches looked at this way you could be on the pitch 5 seconds and do damage. Haven't we seen that all season long. Players getting injured and now on IR.

Look at the List:

Tutt, Stacy RB NYJ IR Knee
Lloyd, Brandon WR WAS IR Collarbone
Murphy, Matt TE BUF IR Calf
Tuman, Jerame TE PIT IR Back
Milner, Martrez TE ATL IR Ankle
Smith, Rod WR DEN IR Hip
Schouman, Derek TE BUF IR Ankle
Morris, Sammy RB NE IR Chest
Wynn, DeShawn RB GB IR Shoulder
Brown, Ronnie RB MIA IR Knee
Jones, Mark WR TB IR Knee
Goings, Nick RB CAR IR Concussion
Green, Trent QB MIA IR Concussion
Alexander, Stephen TE DEN IR Calf
Parker, Eric WR SD IR Toe
Perry, Tab WR CIN IR Hip
Simms, Chris QB TB IR Spleen
Strong, Mack RB SEA IR Neck
Jackson, Nate WR DEN IR Groin
Leinart, Matt QB ARI IR Collarbone
Delhomme, Jake QB CAR IR Right elbow
Price, Peerless WR BUF IR Neck
Hall, Roy WR IND IR Shoulder
Mathis, Jerome WR HOU IR Fibula
Calhoun, Brian RB DET IR Knee
Williams, Cadillac RB TB IR Knee
Thomas, David TE NE IR Foot
Douglas, Robert RB NYG IR Knee
Campbell, Dan TE DET IR Elbow
McAllister, Deuce RB NO IR Knee
Campbell, Mark TE NO IR Back
Holiday, Carlyle WR GB IR Knee
Stuckey, Chansi WR NYJ IR Foot
Everett, Kevin TE BUF IR Head, neck, spine
Elling, Aaron K CIN IR Undisclosed
Abbate, Jon RB HOU IR Undisclosed
Herron, Noah RB GB IR Knee
Race, Germaine RB SD IR Toe
Hill, Quadtrine RB CHI IR Undisclosed
Walker, Mike WR JAC IR Knee
Gramatica, Martin K DAL IR Hamstring
Espy, Mike WR WAS IR Knee
Brewer, C.J. WR SF IR Knee
Merritt, Ahmad WR ARI IR Ankle
Blaylock, Derrick RB WAS IR Heel
Wakefield, Fred TE OAK IR Knee
Powdrell, Ryan RB GB IR Knee
Price, Maurice WR KC IR Undisclosed
Hanoian, Greg RB KC IR Undisclosed
Moats, Ryan RB PHI IR Ankle
McAddley, Jason WR WAS IR Hamstring
Daniels, P.J. RB BAL IR Hamstring
Herian, Matt TE TB IR Calf
Gross, Tyronne RB SD IR Knee
Basanez, Brett QB CAR IR Wrist
Shockley, D.J. QB ATL IR Knee
Elliott, Jamin WR ATL IR Knee
Barrett, Lamart WR STL IR Shoulder
Jackson, Jerome RB CLE IR Knee
Hairston, Justise RB NE IR Undisclosed
Johnson, Darcy TE NYG IR Knee
Ricard, Alan RB DET IR Undisclosed
Irons, Kenny RB CIN IR Foot
Alstott, Mike RB TB IR Neck
Humphrey, Tory TE GB IR Ankle
Lee, ReShard RB OAK IR Knee
Holland, Johnathan WR OAK IR Shoulder
Seidman, Mike TE IND IR Knee
Stanton, Drew QB DET IR Knee
Taylor, Chris RB HOU IR Knee
Finneran, Brian WR ATL IR Knee
Robinson, Marcus WR DET IR Undisclosed
Finn, Jim RB NYG IR

tallaghtoutlaws

And then you have the guys struggling all season long or picked up injury recently who for some are heading towards IR

Coles, Laveranues WR NYJ Out Ankle Expected to be out for Week 12 at Dallas
Walker, Javon WR DEN Out Knee Missed Week 11 vs. Tennessee
Henry, Travis RB DEN Out Knee Missed Week 11 vs. Tennessee
Hall, Ahmard RB TEN Out Forearm Missed Week 11 at Denver
Smith, Paul RB DEN Out Calf Missed Week 11 vs. Tennessee
Johnson, Larry RB KC Out Foot Missed Week 11 at Indianapolis
Lelie, Ashley WR SF Out Quadricep Missed Week 11 vs. St. Louis
Lynch, Marshawn RB BUF Out Ankle Missed Week 11 vs. New England
McCown, Josh QB OAK Out Quadricep Missed Week 11 at Minnesota
McNair, Steve QB BAL Out Left shoulder Missed Week 11 vs. Cleveland.
Peterson, Adrian RB MIN Out Knee Missed Week 11 vs. Oakland
Smith, Steve WR CAR Out Shin Missed Week 11 at Green Bay
Smith, Steve WR NYG Out Shoulder/hamstring Missed Week 11 at Detroit
Stanback, Isaiah WR DAL Out Shoulder Missed Week 11 vs. Washington
Thrash, James WR WAS Out Ankle Missed Week 11 at Dallas
Ward, Derrick RB NYG Out Ankle/groin Missed Week 11 at Detroit
Wilcox, Daniel TE BAL Out Foot Missed Week 11 vs. Cleveland
Williams, Demetrius WR BAL Out Ankle Missed Week 11 vs. Cleveland
Alexander, Shaun RB SEA Out Knee Missed Week 11 vs. Chicago
Broussard, John WR JAC Out Ankle Missed Week 11 vs. San Diego
Davis, Chris WR NYJ Out Shoulder Missed Week 11 vs. Pittsburgh
Fletcher, Bryan TE IND Out Calf Missed Week 11 vs. Kansas City
Franks, Bubba TE GB Out Knee Missed Week 11 vs. Carolina
Glenn, Terry WR DAL Out Knee Missed Week 11 vs. Washington
Green, Ahman RB HOU Out Knee Missed Week 11 vs. New Orleans
Griese, Brian QB CHI Out Shoulder Missed Week 11 at Seattle
Harrison, Marvin WR IND Out Knee Missed Week 11 vs. Kansas City
Heap, Todd TE BAL Out Thigh Missed Week 11 vs. Cleveland
Hill, Shaun QB SF Out Finger Missed Week 11 vs. St. Louis
Horn, Joe WR ATL Out Hamstring Missed Week 11 vs. Tampa Bay

Crapjob Sean

heyjude wrote: »

Bellichick has a big advantage over Wenger and Ferguson, he can pull off his stars and if the opposition gets a couple of scores, he can put his starters back in again. In hurling, once a game is won a team can go for points rather than goals, like the Patriots could have gone for a field goal instead of going for it on 4th down. But unlimited substitutions is the real difference, taking Brady out of the game carried no risk, leaving him in, did.

You often hear players say that if you play trying not to get hurt is often when you get hurt.
Plus Brady's a football player, he doesn't need to be wrapped in cotton wool. He's not Louis Saha.

I have to admit I get a kick out of posters second-guessing a coach like BB.

dulpit

I like them going for it, if you have the ability to thump a team, why not thump them? Also, it beats the hell out of what most teams do if up big in 4th quarter with 2nd or 3rd string RBs running for short gains, eating the clock, kneeling the ball etc.

If anyone was in Wembley, remember the boos at end when the Giants kneeled to finish? We would have preferred them to go for more scores, wouldn't we?

vorbis

I'd have preferred a close game since I was at it

Pats were far far too good for the Bills. The unusual thing is that the Pats get to a lot of third downs (as in not getting the 10 yards on first or second) but have little trouble converting the thrid downs. Bills defense couldn't bring any pressure to bear on Brady.

On the plus side, Ralph Wilson stadium is a lot better place to view a match than Foxborough. The 300 seats were a good bit closer to the pitch. The oversized beer glasses explain why I don't remember the second half. Had to laugh at the barwoman saying that the reason for not selling beer after half time was that people would be too drunk to drive home!!

tallaghtoutlaws

vorbis wrote: »

Had to laugh at the barwoman saying that the reason for not selling beer after half time was that people would be too drunk to drive home!!

Classic isnt it I fell around the place laughing at the bargirl hehe so you get tanked up before half time and that makes it ok :D

raven136

not being a massive fan but watching the patriots run up scores it occurs to me why doesnt some team hit Brady.In every team sport if the same happened the fly half in rugby or most creative player would be tackled hard and a message sent out,eg Keane on Overmars or the munster players on Chabal.Have the patriots such a great protection around him that noone can get near him.Just wondering

Crapjob Sean

raven136 wrote: »

not being a massive fan but watching the patriots run up scores it occurs to me why doesnt some team hit Brady.In every team sport if the same happened the fly half in rugby or most creative player would be tackled hard and a message sent out,eg Keane on Overmars or the munster players on Chabal.Have the patriots such a great protection around him that noone can get near him.Just wondering

That is pretty much the case, yes.

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Just on the resting starters thing. Here's an excerpt of Brady being interviewed on Tuesday on the Dennis & Callahan show on WEEI.

http://weei.podzinger.com/viewMedia.jsp?index=2&num=10&filter=0&expand=true&match=query,channel&dedupe=1&start=0&il=en&col=en-all-pod_weei-ep&s=PZSID_pods_pod5_8_6_0004;WEEI+-+Dennis+and+Callahan&e=14460576&res=116495738

About 9 minutes in

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interview ongoing

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John Dennis : Tom, the whole world has kicked around this 'running up the score debate for weeks now. We've heard coaches take on it, we've heard your take on it several times. Let's move on to 'for safety's sake' when these margins are big. Specifically – would you have been pissed if the Patriots started Matt Cassel in the second half with the Patriots up 35-7?

TB : I wouldn't have let him start the second half.

John Dennis (laughing): I'll take that as a yes.

TB : Yup, that's right.

Jerry Callahan: You would be. There's a point would you agree, that starters get upset if they're taken out of a game too early? You understand there's appoint when you're coming out but that point would not be, I'm guessing….. late in the third.

TB : Yeah, early fourth probably.

Jerry Callahan: Early 4th

TB : I didn't want to come out in the 4th. Josh looked at me and I said "I don't wanna come out" I think we all like playing, to tell you the truth. We work our asses off all week to play. And, you know, to go out there and play well. So if you're out there for 37 minutes? No way. That's the best part of the game!

John Dennis : I know Tom that you can't be concerned with getting injured, because you can't play that way but shouldn't someone on the sidelines be looking at the bigger picture saying "If we're going to going to go 19-0, if we're going to win the Superbowl, one of the major things that could derail us is somebody, when the score's 42-7 rolling up on Brady's knee and having him down for 3 weeks. Should that safety not be considered at some point? Your opinion notwithstanding.

TB : Yeah, but I, you can get hurt in the 1st quarter of the game..

John Dennis (interrupting): Yeah but the game's still in progress. The game is still in doubt at that point. At 42-7, when you hit Watson with a TD, 8:49 left in the 3rd quarter, I know you don't want to come out but aren't you, from a safety standpoint, 1% at risk of getting hurt and missing the next game?

TB : Yeah, but fellas, the problem with the NFL is that you've only 45 guys who are active each week. You can't replace every single starter…

John Dennis (interrupting): I'm not suggesting that. I'm not saying take out every starter. I'm sa….

TB (interrupting): Okay, then do you take me out and then you take Randy out, you take the offensive line out, you only got 3 other linemen who are active for the game. You can't start pulling everybody out. As a coach, you're going "Okay, well Brady's important but Koppen's not important, or Brady's important but Welker's not important or Watson's not important, or every other guy's not important.."

Jerry Callahan: He has a point, they're not as important as you are.

TB : And I do come out. I do come out in the 4th quarter. And at the same time we're still trying to make improvements. I mean we're not…. we're trying to play extremely well. We're not trying to win 42-28. We're, you know, trying to win.. we're trying to kill teams. We're trying to blow them out of we can. So you want to build momentum for each week. You don't want a 42-7 or 35-7 and all of a sudden you look up and it's 35-21. I mean we don't want a part of that. We don't want to go into next week knowing that for the last 18 minutes of the game your team didn't play well, or didn't play (pause) up to its capabilities. You gave other teams momentum for the next time they play you or gave another team a reason not to be intimidated.

John Dennis : I wasn't suggesting taking the defence out, I was suggesting taking the quarterback out. I don't see the Buffalo Bills, you know, at 42-7 scoring 5 touchdowns against the bulk of that defence we saw Sunday night.

Jerry Callahan (interrupting): Well I don't think, well my point has been to John that coaches never think about taking guys out til the end of the 3rd..

John Dennis (interrupting): And teams never win by a margin of 35 points.

Jerry Callahan (interrupting): Sometimes they do

John Dennis (interrupting): Not as an average

Jerry Callahan (interrupting): John Madden made the point Sunday night that a coach never thinks til the end of the 3rd about yanking his starters and protecting his starters, it's just not part of the game.

TB (sounding a little impatient): Guys, I've played with Randy Moss and Wes Welker and Donte Stallworth for 10 games in my career. I mean every snap I get with those guys is valuable. I mean, we're still making improvements. We go in there on Monday and Wednesday and we correct things. Things come up in the game that you don't expect to happen in practice. And if that's the case you've got to correct those things that happen, in the game. And you can't correct 'em if you're sitting on the sidelines.

Jerry Callahan : I understand…

TB (interrupting, impatiently): We're trying to get better. I don't know why people can't figure that out. (enunciating) We are trying to improve. And the only way you can improve is if you play!

Jerry Callahan : But, Tom..

TB (interrupting): You can't improve on the sidelines.

Jerry Callahan : you've played your whole life, you know what happens when

TB (interrupting): But I haven't played with Moss or Stallworh or Welker or Kyle Brady. We haven't played in situations where it's 4th down and it's a critical point in the game and you gotta make a play. Now we're trying to prepare. So what if you're up by 28 points? What if it's 4 th and 1 in a few weeks and it's a tied ballgame? (dismissively) Or that just doesn't mean anything to anybody, that's just "Oh, God, you'll deal with that when that comes up" No! You want to have confidence that you can make those plays. I don't get…

Jerry Callahan (interrupting): But you'd also like to have confidence in Matt Cassel if you do, God forbid, go down. So everything is preparation for something. I just think traditionally, in football, you know, a team gets a big lead they take their guys out in the 4 th quarter. And because your leads have been so big people want to accelerate that process. Well, I asked the question, well what about the 2nd quarter if the lead is big enough? It's just not something a coach or a player considers until the end of the 3 rd.

TB (agreeing): No way. No way.


---interview continues

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tallaghtoutlaws

Tom Brady says it all Thank You Tom I heard that interview and he was really getting irritated towards the end.

tallaghtoutlaws

raven136 wrote: »

not being a massive fan but watching the patriots run up scores it occurs to me why doesnt some team hit Brady.In every team sport if the same happened the fly half in rugby or most creative player would be tackled hard and a message sent out,eg Keane on Overmars or the munster players on Chabal.Have the patriots such a great protection around him that noone can get near him.Just wondering

Its not that easy to get to a QB and you cant hit him after he throws the ball. QBs are protected by there linemen in play and the refs after the ball is thrown. In fairness if it was that easy to take a QB out of a game don't you think it would have been done already

Vikings

Patriots are gonna whomp the Falcons... gonna be great

And as long as the packers keep up this score line, if we win on Sunday we are only 1 game behind the Lions... sweet.