Chem trails

casey212

r3nu4l wrote: »

You still haven't answered my questions casey...what's the matter, don't have any reasonable answers?

Patience is a virtue

bonkey

casey212 wrote: »

yet not one german soldier set foot on Switzerland.

History disagrees with you.

casey212

bonkey wrote: »

History disagrees with you.

Does it? name any german attacks on the swiss.

r3nu4l

casey212 wrote: »

Patience is a virtue

Oh I'll wait but I won't hold my breath and for now I'll take it that you don't have any answers.

kippy

casey212 wrote: »

Does it? name any german attacks on the swiss.

Read here:
http://history-switzerland.geschichte-schweiz.ch/switzerland-neutrality-world-war-ii.html

Specificilly here:

Though neutral Switzerland adhered to the mandatory international rules during World War 2, while the warfaring nations violated even these (neither Germany nor the Allies respected Swiss air space, Allied aircraft even dropped about 70 bombs on Switzerland), it is evident that being neutral would call for a spirit of neutrality that was offended by important Swiss actors.

Back to China, They've been involved in enough wars and conflicts. Why wouldnt their leaders want their population uneducated and docile so that they could rule them easier?

Arethe US that responsible for the whole thing or are the irish government implicit in it also?
Perhaps I have already been sprayed too much and my intelligence has already dropped but I get the feelin that theres only one person in this thread with low intelligence.

Anyway, I hear these chemtrails are just a distraction that the governements have created to keep the conspiracy theorists off the real conspiracy-yep you've guessed it, that the world is flat (Shhh, the dont want us to know the truth)

Kippy

PS, In most fora the OP would already have been banned for trolling but sadly the CT foru sits outside of reality

casey212

r3nu4l wrote: »

So are you saying that China and Switzerland aren't participating in the spraying or that China and Switzerland are not being sprayed.

If the former, then why aren't they crowing about it to the world?
If the latter, well wind slipstreams will mean that there people are being poisoned anyway and so I would imagine their Governments would be ticked off about the increased healthcare bills and complaining about it.

Let me guess, they are not complaining because (a) they are being bought out, (b) they are under military thread, (c) They are the lizard people who orchestrate the whole thing, (d) some other nutty theory?

Which is it?

I am saying that they are not being sprayed. Of course the spray does not stop at national boundaries. This then raises the question of national boarders. Who decided where one nation sould end and another begin, and why.

Everyone knows lizard people are a joke. Don't raise this again. Government loves massive medical expenses. Are the medically companies not privately owned? Public/private partnership? the costs are made public the profits private.

As for who actually flies the planes, I would like to know myself.

r3nu4l

Right so China and Switzerland are being sprayed. Why aren't their governments giving out about it? Do they not know? Military pressure from other nations? Are they implicit? If so what is their contribution to the poisoning, if they are not active in it? Surely they must contribute if they are benefitting?

Also, what about the people in charge, where are they during the spraying? In underground bunkers?

casey212

kippy wrote: »

Back to China, They've been involved in enough wars and conflicts. Why wouldnt their leaders want their population uneducated and docile so that they could rule them easier?

Is the the US that are responsible for the whole thing or are the irish government implicit in it also?
Perhaps I have already been sprayed too much and my intelligence has already dropped but I get the feelin that theres only one person in this thread with low intelligence.

Anyway, I hear these chemtrails are just a distraction that the governements have created to keep the conspiracy theorists off the real conspiracy-yep you've guessed it, that the world is flat (Shhh, the dont want us to know the truth)

Kippy

The vast majority of chinas wars have been civil. The irish government have nothing to do with it. Irish politicians are spokespeople for those in brussels.
China is now the manufacturing centre of the world, therefore the people need to be healthy. Chinas role has been planned, similar to that os the U.S. 250 years ago. Read the work of francis bacon

casey212

r3nu4l wrote: »

Right so China and Switzerland are being sprayed. Why aren't their governments giving out about it? Do they not know? Military pressure from other nations? Are they implicit? If so what is their contribution to the poisoning, if they are not active in it? Surely they must contribute if they are benefitting?

Also, what about the people in charge, where are they during the spraying? In underground bunkers?

Medical and scientific developments are far in advance of what is publically known. Both consist of three levels. Level 1 reaches to professor standard. Level 2 is provided for agencies such as M16, CIA. Level 3 is higher again containing undreamed of knowledge.

kippy

casey212 wrote: »

The vast majority of chinas wars have been civil. The irish government have nothing to do with it. Irish politicians are spokespeople for those in brussels.
China is now the manufacturing centre of the world, therefore the people need to be healthy. Chinas role has been planned, similar to that os the U.S. 250 years ago. Read the work of francis bacon

Surely the governement of China would want its people Docile and unable to fight each other in these civil wars?
What about the role of switzerland? What is their role in the future of the world?
The chinese people are not a healthy race per say (no more healthier than the Japanese or other asian races)
My friend, I hate to say it but I think the nasty governments have managed to distract you from the real issues in our world.
Read the work of sane and intelligent individuals.
Kippy

casey212

kippy wrote: »

Surely the governement of China would want its people Docile and unable to fight each other in these civil wars?
What about the role of switzerland? What is their role in the future of the world?
The chinese people are not a healthy race per say (no more healthier than the Japanese or other asian races)
My friend, I hate to say it but I think the nasty governments have managed to distract you from the real issues in our world.
Read the work of sane and intelligent individuals.
Kippy

Governments do not run the world, bureaucracies do.

The spraying is only in the last ten years, how would that affect conflicts hundreds of years ago.

bonkey

casey212 wrote: »

Everyone knows lizard people are a joke.

They're only a joke if you apply logic and evidence-based reasoning - the very tools you are advocating that we abandon.

Don't raise this again.

With respect, you're in no position to make that demand of anyone.

You could politely request it, but given taht you want us to read between the lines and abandon logic, we may decide that you are asking us to repeatedly mention our scaly overlords.

humanji

How will it effect the future ones? Violent crime is on the rise across the world, so either the sprays to make us all docile aren't working, or they don't exist.

bonkey

I must say...if I had a secret cabal controlling all-but-two international nations, and wanted to implement a secret plan to spray the entire face of the planet with some secret chemicals....the first thing I would do is make sure that there was a publically available treaty to tip people off.

I mean...seriously....if there is some secret "rulers behind the apparent rulers" organisation, then WTF do they need public, international treaties as cover for?

kippy

casey212 wrote: »

Governments do not run the world, bureaucracies do.

The spraying is only in the last ten years, how would that affect conflicts hundreds of years ago.

As mentioned since, Surely they would want to spray their people to keep them from fighting each other in future.
Can you please advise who these bureaucracies are, when they started running the world, who is involved in them and what proof is out there to suggest that they exist?
Again, I think you've been fooled by either these bureaucracies or the governments they run into thinking that they spray people to keep them docile and uneducated.
Kippy

oscarBravo

casey212 wrote: »

Medical and scientific developments are far in advance of what is publically known. Both consist of three levels. Level 1 reaches to professor standard. Level 2 is provided for agencies such as M16, CIA. Level 3 is higher again containing undreamed of knowledge.

How do you know?

meglome

Why is anyone still responding to this total paranoid rubbish. There's no talking any sense whatsoever to this Casey guy. I'm off for a drink before the NWO come to take me over.

He's an actually doing a disservice to conspiracy theorists... and that's saying something.

Mahatma coat

Christ on a bike lad, Stop!

Casey, if you read back through the archives here you will will see a thread which accuses Bonkey of being a 'Paid up Debunker'* , what relevance does this have I hear you think, well if we were still thinkin along those lines I'd have to make the asumption (not normaly one for that but logic and reason have no place in this thread) that you were a Paid up LizardPerson, deliberatley being obscure to make a mockery of this forum

Now ya see by your 'logic' even if you deny it I dont have to believe you cos I can assume your lying to deflect me from the overall truth of your scaly lizardness.

Meglome I Think I'll head to the pub meself

* he should be gettin compensation for mental anguish here, Bonkey sir I dof my hat to your Zen calmness

jessop1

attempts to place chemtrails in the category of invisible pink unicorns should invoke suspicion not hat doffing.

Think about it. Besides the obvious evidence you see over your head if you live in virtually any populous area - ie the the persistent cris crossing trails that hang for hours and spread to form huge hazy clouds (like this, this, this and this) - there is also a huge amount of information and research based evidence on chemtrails involving a very large number of people from all corners of the world. Thats a fact.

And he wants you to think its in the realms of fantasy with pink unicorns??

dont you find that even a little bit strange? For me its just another in a long list of glaring red flags that thats a debunker with an agenda.

dont be fooled by zen calmness and condescending wit and dont allow your perception of the difference between evidence and absolute proof to be obscured - all that stuff is designed to cow people into not posting information on this stuff for fear of ridicule and to make people like YOU feel like an idiot for even contemplating the idea that there might actually be something to this.

If you want to find out for yourself whether you think this is true or not, do read the links posted here by zarathustra and others, look into the research that shows the presence of elevated levels of barium and an array of other toxic substances in sprayed areas, look into the links that have been shown between chemtrails and the frightening rise of morgellons disease and do look at the sky in your own area and ask yourself if you think those thick trails that hang for hours and turn into soupy, hazy clouds are normal airplane contrails behaving normally.

This website and this documentary video provide a lot of information on chemtrails and related issues, have a look.

kippy

jessop1 wrote: »

attempts to place chemtrails in the category of invisible pink unicorns should invoke suspicion not hat doffing.

Think about it. Besides the obvious evidence you see over your head if you live in virtually any populous area - ie the the persistent cris crossing trails that hang for hours and spread to form huge hazy clouds (like this, this, this and this) - there is also a huge amount of information and research based evidence on chemtrails involving a very large number of people from all corners of the world. Thats a fact.

And he wants you to think its in the realms of fantasy with pink unicorns??

dont you find that even a little bit strange? For me its just another in a long list of glaring red flags that thats a debunker with an agenda.

dont be fooled by zen calmness and condescending wit and dont allow your perception of the difference between evidence and absolute proof to be obscured - all that stuff is designed to cow people into not posting information on this stuff for fear of ridicule and to make people like YOU feel like an idiot for even contemplating the idea that there might actually be something to this.

If you want to find out for yourself whether you think this is true or not, do read the links posted here by zarathustra and others, look into the research that shows the presence of elevated levels of barium and an array of other toxic substances in sprayed areas, look into the links that have been shown between chemtrails and the frightening rise of morgellons disease and do look at the sky in your own area and ask yourself if you think those thick trails that hang for hours and turn into soupy, hazy clouds are normal airplane contrails behaving normally.

This website and this documentary video provide a lot of information on chemtrails and related issues, have a look.

Sorry,
But I am happy enough to not believe in these Chemtrails as you put them forth.
They are just a diversion to keep conspiracy theorists away from the real conspiracys.
Kippy

jessop1

kippy wrote: »

Sorry,
But I am happy enough to not believe in these Chemtrails as you put them forth.
They are just a diversion to keep conspiracy theorists away from the real conspiracys.
Kippy

what do you think of the pictures I posted -

(this, this and this)

nothing seem out of the ordinary to you there? I'd like to know your thoughts on those.

Also, I'm assuming you didnt read the website I posted at the end, (which outlines a large amount of evidential information) seeing as you posted your rebuke inside less than 5 mins of me posting it. Perhaps have a look and get back to me?

cheers,
Jessop

kippy

Not sure if you noticed but I have been active on this thread a little earlier in the weekend. At that stage I did a lot of research into this "Chemtrails" and indeed they were something I heard of before.
None of those pictures look to strange to me. Ever lived under a major flightpath?
Either way, I know for a FACT that the guberments of the Western world use such things to keep Theorists away from the real issues of our world.
IE - Poverty, War, Discrimination, etc etc etc al,

From a personal standpoint, there are also far bigger issues in my life than this nonsense. The only reason I post on this thread is to make sure theres a good dose of reality about it.

Kippy

TheThing!

There isn't a shred of evidence that would stand even the most cursory scrutiny backing this idea up....NEXT!!!

jessop1

Er..actually, there is evidence. You just saying there isnt doesnt make that the case.

As for living under a flight path - yes I do. And I expect to see lots of contrails. But the beahviour of the trails I've seen, very much like the ones in the pictures I posted - is very very different to contrails.

and thats just the first step in a long list of evidence. read this link research showing the link between chemtrail filaments and similar substances found in morgellons sufferers.

There is a lot more evidence on top of this

To suggest there is nothing to any of this is in my opion either seriously deluded or complicit on some level.

jessop1

sorry fast typy crap spelly

jessop1

kippy wrote: »

Either way, I know for a FACT that the guberments of the Western world use such things to keep Theorists away from the real issues of our world.
IE - Poverty, War, Discrimination, etc etc etc al,

Not sure how you know this for a fact, but equally, I know for a FACT that the guberments of the Western world (and more importantly the vested interests that control said guberments) invest very heavily in media propoganda, which very much includes the use of a large number of internet debunkers all over the world.

kippy

jessop1 wrote: »

Er..actually, there is evidence. You just saying there isnt doesnt make that the case.

As for living under a flight path - yes I do. And I expect to see lots of contrails. But the beahviour of the trails I've seen, very much like the ones in the pictures I posted - is very very different to contrails.

and thats just the first step in a long list of evidence. read this link research showing the link between chemtrail filaments and similar substances found in morgellons sufferers.

There is a lot more evidence on top of this

To suggest there is nothing to any of this is in my opion either seriously deluded or complicit on some level.

http://www.fotosearch.com/photos-images/contrail.html
So,
The pictures in that link, are they contrails or chemtrails?

The report contains an alleged link between airbourne contaminents and Morgellons condition, what is your point?

Seriously though, try do something with your life that you can have an impact on.

kippy

jessop1 wrote: »

Not sure how you know this for a fact, but equally, I know for a FACT that the guberments of the Western world (and more importantly the vested interests that control said guberments) invest very heavily in media propoganda, which very much includes the use of a large number of internet debunkers all over the world.

Anyone who debunks these conspiracy theories is an employee of a government? Would you care to clarify who is paying me and the other "debunkers" on this thread? Is it the Irish Government, the Americians or possibly the conspiracy theorists themselves?? Yes, if there was no one to debunk these theories, the theorists themselves would be out of work, as would the people who do all the reasearch for them.
Yep, you've guessed it, conspiracy theorists are in fact behind the conspiracy.
Kippy

jessop1

Some of the pics in that link are contrails, some are chemtrails.

re: your last comment, hmm and you were talking earlier about others being banned from "fora"?
learn some manners.

jessop1

kippy wrote: »

Anyone who debunks these conspiracy theories is an employee of a government?
Kippy

I never said that. And what have YOU actually debunked Kippy? I've looked over your comments on this thread and I cant see that you've debunked much at all.

No idea who pays you.

kippy

Can you tell me how you come to the conlusion that some are chemtrails and some are contrails?
Are you of the opinion that this all stared in 1997 and that China and Switzerland have been excluded from spraying?
Are you suggesting that I be banned from the forum for bringing up some theories of my own?
Kippy

kippy

jessop1 wrote: »

I never said that.

Indeed you havent, but you are saying that only the debunkers are paid by guberments. Is there nothing to suggest that some heorists themselves are also getting paid?[/quote]
I dont think anyone will ever successfully debunk a conspiracy theory on this forum, in the same way that no one will have a groundbreaking theory that actually makes the world a better place for its "outting".
Kippy

jessop1

kippy wrote: »

Can you tell me how you come to the conlusion that some are chemtrails and some are contrails?

Some of the ones with a misty exhaust coming from the back of a plane look like normal contrails.


Others, which have no plane in sight and include multiple cris crossing thick trails definately look like chemtrails. If you want to select a particular one, I'd be happy to give you my opinion on it.

kippy wrote: »

Are you of the opinion that this all stared in 1997 and that China and Switzerland have been excluded from spraying?

I dont know whether thats true or not.

kippy wrote: »

Are you suggesting that I be banned from the forum for bringing up some theories of my own?
Kippy

Absolutely not, dont know where you got that idea from. I was just highlighting rudeness and hypocrisy in your earlier post (ie the "get a life or some such" comment)

oscarBravo

jessop1 wrote: »

what do you think of the pictures I posted -

(this, this and this)

nothing seem out of the ordinary to you there? I'd like to know your thoughts on those.

The first and third are pictures of contrails, as are most of the pictures in the second.

There are a couple of interesting pictures in the second link:



There are four contrails (unsurprisingly from a 4-engined plane) and two wingtip vortices behind the plane. Lovely picture. Then there's this one:



That's skywriting. An aerobatic plane injects diesel into its exhaust manifold where it burns smokily and leaves a trail.

TheThing!

jessop1 wrote: »

Er..actually, there is evidence. You just saying there isnt doesnt make that the case.

As for living under a flight path - yes I do. And I expect to see lots of contrails. But the beahviour of the trails I've seen, very much like the ones in the pictures I posted - is very very different to contrails.

and thats just the first step in a long list of evidence. read this link research showing the link between chemtrail filaments and similar substances found in morgellons sufferers.

There is a lot more evidence on top of this

To suggest there is nothing to any of this is in my opion either seriously deluded or complicit on some level.

Believe what you want, religious people also believe without any evidence so why souldn't you, even though chemtrails are one of the nuttier theories out there.

But anyway, if you can momentarily apply even a small dose of critical thinking to your belief you will see the problems, if you have a brain. On a purely practical level the idea is clearly bogus because sprays released at the altitudes these planes fly at would be dispersed by high altitude winds, even if you say that they wouldn't. Also, wouldn't the people carrying out this conspiracy be infected or whatever by these chemicals given the fact that they breathe the same air as everyone else. Add to this the simple fact that all such conspiracies simply collapse under there own weight, ie the number of people involved is so vast that it would require an enormously powerful head which to keep it under wraps, and if this is the case, how TF to you know about it?

jessop1

kippy wrote: »

Indeed you havent, but you are saying that only the debunkers are paid by guberments.

You are putting words in my mouth Kippy.

kippy wrote: »

Is there nothing to suggest that some heorists themselves are also getting paid?

conspiracy theory on this forum, in the same way that no one will have a groundbreaking theory that actually makes the world a better place for its "outting".
Kippy

I think theres a lot to suggest that there are paid disinfo agents as well as paid debunkers trolling the internet en masse.

When you look at it as a whole, its the perfect way to maintain the deception and manipulation - so much confusion and conflicting information.

But some things are obvious. Chemtrails is one of these things I think, as you can see them with your own eyes most days if you live in a populous area.

kippy

jessop1 wrote: »

Some of the ones with a misty exhaust coming from the back of a plane look like normal contrails.


Others, which have no plane in sight and include multiple cris crossing thick trails definately look like chemtrails. If you want to select a particular one, I'd be happy to give you my opinion on it.


I dont know whether thats true or not.



Absolutely not, dont know where you got that idea from. I was just highlighting rudeness and hypocrisy in your earlier post (ie the "get a life or some such" comment)

So the major difference that you can see between chemtrails and contrails is the fact that there is no plane in sight?
I dont know whether a lot of stuff is true or not but based on MY OWN research and logical reasoning I am able to put across an opinion on it.

When you try to quote me please use the exact phrase:
What I said was:
I must admit reading that back now, it doesnt make much sense but I was in no way implying that you did not have a life and needed to get one. Apologies if it was contrued in this manner.
Seriously though, try do something with your life that you can have an impact on.

kippy

jessop1 wrote: »

You are putting words in my mouth Kippy.



I think theres a lot to suggest that there are paid disinfo agents as well as paid debunkers trolling the internet en masse.

When you look at it as a whole, its the perfect way to maintain the deception and manipulation - so much confusion and conflicting information.

But some things are obvious. Chemtrails is one of these things I think, as you can see them with your own eyes most days if you live in a populous area.

Most of the chemtrail pics you've shown me are not near populus areas from what I have seen. Why would you assume that you'd need to be a populus area to see them?
Do you think we are getting "chemtrailed" on an ongoing basis, if so by who and for what reason? Do you think that we should do something about it and if so what do you think we should do?

Anyway, bed time for me, feeling a bit tired. Must be all this talk of chemtrails.

jessop1

whats this?


or this?


or this?


what about this??


or this???

kippy

The thing is,
I am asking you the questions.
Kippy

TheThing!

jessop1 wrote: »

whats this?


or this?


or this?


what about this??


or this???

What is what??? They are contrails you nutcase

jessop1

Kippy I wasnt misquoting you just waving you in the general direction of the offending comment. anyhoo forget about that.

You are continuing to put words in my mouth.

To clarify, The main visible difference between contrails and chemtrails is that chemtrails linger for a lot longer and quite often spread, combining with other chemtrails to form artificial "clouds".

As for who and why, thats another days discussion. I suppose the main point I'd leave you with is that something is visibly going on out in the open that we can all see, research and gathering of evidence has taken place - and the responses and in most cases silence from the official channels is suspicious in my opinion.

Its off to leaba mesel, must be all the hot air :D
g'night.

jessop1

TheThing! wrote: »

They are contrails

I very strongly disagree, as do many.

I wont lower myself to respond to your insults, which are quite telling of your desperation, imho.

TheThing!

jessop1 wrote: »

I very strongly disagree, as do many.

I wont lower myself to respond to your insults, which are quite telling of your desperation, imho.

Well sorry for getting desperate when a guy posts a bunch of photos of obvious contrails and somehow thinks that they qualify as evidence

jessop1

the first few mins of the documentary video I posted here show clearly the difference between contrails and chemtrails - although this is blatantly evident when you look up at it actually happening.

Now I am off to bed.

TheThing!

jessop1 wrote: »

the first few mins of the documentary video I posted here show clearly the difference between contrails and chemtrails - although this is blatantly evident when you look up at it actually happening.

Now I am off to bed.

No, sorry still just contrails

And by the way, I like how you competely ignored my counter arguments to your belief in this silly theory

oscarBravo

jessop1 wrote: »

whats this?

Contrails.

jessop1 wrote: »

or this?

Contrails. Characteristic of a junction between air corridors, where several planes will make basically the same turn.

jessop1 wrote: »

or this?

Contrails.

jessop1 wrote: »

what about this??

Looks like skywriting to me.

jessop1 wrote: »

or this???

That's definitely skywriting. The plane doing the skywriting has a red circle around it, you can't miss it.

TheThing!

oscarBravo wrote: »

Contrails. Contrails. Characteristic of a junction between air corridors, where several planes will make basically the same turn. Contrails. Looks like skywriting to me. That's definitely skywriting. The plane doing the skywriting has a red circle around it, you can't miss it.

You are right, of course. What I dont understand is how these people can put forward the pattern of the contrails in the air as evidence that they are chemicals being sprayed. Why is this? Can only chemicals that control minds or something like that make weird looking patterns. (I'm not even sure any of the patterns are particularly weird looking anyway)

jessop1

oscarBravo wrote: »

Contrails. Characteristic of a junction between air corridors, where several planes will make basically the same turn.

Wow I'm surprised all those planes didnt crash into each other at that junction, cos thats an awful lot of equally recent looking "contrails"! :rolleyes:

Normal airplan contrails do not linger and thicken in that way.

Also, the altitude of those "contrails" doesnt look anywhere near the 26000 feet or above at which contrails form. And if they are indeed at 26000 feet or higher they must be absolutely enormous to look that big from ground level - which begs the question as to how a normal contrail from a normal sized jet egine would expand to such a size.

and re: the ones you call skywriting - I've seen those types of ones myself, huge X's and curves etc "written" in the sky over cities and suburbs etc for no apparant reason. Why on earth would someone be doing that??

You see none of those excuses come near adding up to explain away the blatantly visible evidence, never mind the huge amount of analytical evidence that have been gathered on the various aspects of chem trails.

TheThing!

This jessop1 guy is a true believer. The position he has created in his mind is now bullet proof, ie there is no lenghts to which he will not expand the conspiracy to in order to prevent you from arguing against it. Dont even try