Riots and Rebellions

Feelgood

Is anyone else tired of this country or is it just me??. Why does everything have to be so hard and why are we getting ripped off.

Just paid €10500 in VRT, a complete bulls**t tax thats against E.U. regulations. When I started driving 9 years ago I had to pay £5200 punt in insurance on a car that was worth £1000. It was easier for me to get drugs and alcohol at 17 years of age than it was car insurance. House prices are just plain stupid, health system is in sh*te and all our politicians are stealing our money, while extorting us on tax for petrol etc etc...

I mean we might as well just bend over with an industrial sized tub of vaseline.....

No one is doing anything for us, yet we sit back and take it. We do absolutely sweet F.A. about. Yeah we are a vocal race of people though in fairness we are all talk. Maybe if we all stood together we might be able to do something about the run of this country instead of sitting back and taking this crap...

Whos with me??.....molotov cocktails at the Dail??? are we on??:mad:

connundrum

you should move elsewhere.

l3LoWnA

Feelgood wrote: »

Just paid €10500 in VRT,

What car did you get?

I took €100,000 off a guy one day for VRT! Was a Bentley!

Feelgood

l3LoWnA wrote: »

What car did you get?

05 BMW 320 Sport....nice bus...car cost €19k....immaculate...add €10500 VRT and you get a certificate to say you've just got rid by the Irish government...

AlmightyCushion

Ah but we do a lovely pint of Guinness.

Feelgood

connundrum wrote: »

you should move elsewhere.

Yeah maybe, though when your family is here then its nice to be close to
them don't you think?

This is what I'm talking about, you know the government is sh1te too though
isn't of fighting it your answer is "move elsewhere"??.

Senna

Feelgood wrote: »

Is anyone else tired of this country or is it just me??. Why does everything have to be so hard and why are we getting ripped off.

Just paid €10500 in VRT, a complete bulls**t tax thats against E.U. regulations. When I started driving 9 years ago I had to pay £5200 punt in insurance on a car that was worth £1000. It was easier for me to get drugs and alcohol at 17 years of age than it was car insurance. House prices are just plain stupid, health system is in sh*te and all our politicians are stealing our money, while extorting us on tax for petrol etc etc...

I mean we might as well just bend over with an industrial sized tub of vaseline.....

No one is doing anything for us, yet we sit back and take it. We do absolutely sweet F.A. about. Yeah we are a vocal race of people though in fairness we are all talk. Maybe if we all stood together we might be able to do something about the run of this country instead of sitting back and taking this crap...

Whos with me??.....molotov cocktails at the Dail??? are we on??:mad:

You should really change your username.

Feelgood

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Ah but we do a lovely pint of Guinness.

Point taken...maybe we could make guinness molotov cocktails....so after
the flames go out you've got a nice big black stain on the walls too....:)

Feelgood

Senna wrote: »

You should really change your username.

My name just reflects what all the chicks say to me after they touch me...:D

hehehehehehehe

Overheal

guinness is a product of goodness: it cannot be exploded for such violence. and why would you waste a good pint? Use Huzzar, you fool

l3LoWnA

Feelgood, aren't you lucky though - that you get to drive your new motor on the finest quality roads that we have all over this wonderful country? Isn't that REALLY what it's all about :rolleyes:

Feelgood

Overheal wrote: »

guinness is a product of goodness: it cannot be exploded for such violence. and why would you waste a good pint? Use Huzzar, you fool

Yeah well remember everytime you drink a pint of lovely Guinness you are also being rid by our government!. Doesn't that make you made, doesn't that make you wanna head to Drumcondra and poop on Berties doorstep...huh??

Senna

Feelgood wrote: »

guinness molotov cocktails....

i think thats what its called coming back out in the morning.

Feelgood

Senna wrote: »

i think thats what its called coming back out in the morning.

Haha gold....

Thats what we will do then, we will all go on the batter some night. 12 pints o' the black stuff each and then we will have one big unified dump on the dails doorstep...

Maybe if we got enough of us we might make it in the Guinness book of records (no pun intended) :cool:

kowloon

At the moment corruption is just accepted, it's only a bit of money, nobody gets hurt right?
Give it a bit of time, if the economy goes ends up, or even just harder times, questions are going to be asked about where all the money goes, not BS tribunals that cost millions and end with no portioning out of accountability.

Feelgood

kowloon wrote: »

At the moment corruption is just accepted, it's only a bit of money, nobody gets hurt right?
Give it a bit of time, if the economy goes ends up, or even just harder times, questions are going to be asked about where all the money goes, not BS tribunals that cost millions and end with no portioning out of accountability.

There was only once I remember thinking, yeah jesus I'm lucky I live here....
When I went to the states I got talking to a waitress that was working at night trying to pay off her $50k college debt....fair enough she was looking for a huge tip though I though isn't it great we get free college education....

That was 1998 when I had that one thought 1998....I remember it well.....the one time I felt lucky...

l3LoWnA

Feelgood wrote: »

That was 1998 when I had that one thought 1998....I remember it well.....the one time I felt lucky...

It's only 'cause you were so far away though....

Feelgood

l3LoWnA wrote: »

It's only 'cause you were so far away though....

Everyday I am far away, distant.....thinking about a perfect country. One where just breathing its air will make you orgasm....sadly I am reduced to jacking it in the shower just to maintain the illusion....

DublinWriter

Feelgood wrote: »

Whos with me??.....molotov cocktails at the Dail??? are we on??:mad:

The last Irish mass public demonstration I remember was the sedate PAYE workers march in 197-something.

When Thatcher tried to bring in Poll Tax, London was ripped apart by crazed hoards.

We Irish have no sense of outrage and are far from the 'rebellious' types we love to be described as. We're the sheep of Europe.

Feelgood

DublinWriter wrote: »

The last Irish mass public demonstration I remember was the sedate PAYE workers march in 197-something.

When Thatcher tried to bring in Poll Tax, London was ripped apart by crazed hoards.

We Irish have no sense of outrage and are far from the 'rebellious' types we love to be described as. We're the sheep of Europe.

Very true, my point exactly.....however I believe all that can be changed.
My take on it is that we are all just too bloody lazy to do anything about it.
Probably because we are too fu*ked from working like troopers in an effort to pay all these rather absurd taxes...

mikemac

Farmers aren't slow about protesting
I saw the minister heckled at the 2006 Ploughing Championships.
In fact, there hasn't been a protest with tractors outside the Dail for a number of years, time for a repeat I think.

There are things worth protesting over but VRT is not of them. As you know if they abolished it, they would replace it with something else.
And if they didn't replace it then they would make cutbacks somewhere.
Not having a go OP, but imo if you can afford a relativly new BMW, then don't complain that that your money is being taken from you.
Sure you can buy a good car for well under 5k these days.

But you're right, Irish people bitch and moan and then do nothing. Look to France to see how it is done.

Feelgood

micmclo wrote: »

Not having a go OP, but imo if you can afford a relativly new BMW, then don't complain that that your money is being taken from you.
Sure you can buy a good car for well under 5k these days.

Can't afford it, stealing from the poor box at mass to try and pay for it....:)

DublinWriter

micmclo wrote: »

I saw the minister heckled at the 2006 Ploughing Championships.

Oooh, heckled was he? As far as I know, a heckle is somewhere between a 'cafuffle' and a 'to-do'.

Mad stuff.

Yes indeedy, we do need to take lessons in civil-disobedience from the French.

mikemac

DublinWriter wrote: »

Oooh, heckled was he? As far as I know, a heckle is somewhere between a 'cafuffle' and a 'to-do'.

Mad stuff.

Jaysus, what's your problem?

When I say heckled I mean 30-40 farmers with banners shouting abuse so the minister had to give up trying to make her speech.
I'd call that successful, it made the 6pm RTE news

Feelgood

micmclo wrote: »

I'd call that successful, it made the 6pm RTE news

Probably the only way the ploughing championships would ever make
the news...:rolleyes:

mikemac

Nice one Feelgood.
I get the :rolleyes: icon after giving advice on how one of the most successful lobbying groups do things, the IFA.

You're from Louth, going by your profile.
I'm amazed they pay even VRT up there, gangsters the lot of them

Feelgood

micmclo wrote: »

Nice one Feelgood.
I get the :rolleyes: icon after giving advice on how one of the most successful lobbying groups do things, the IFA.

Yeah I don't think standing outside the Dail with pitch forks and donkeys is gonna help us in anyway

I'm from Louth is right, the smallest county that has the biggest brains in the country living in it :cool:

Manic Moran

micmclo wrote: »

Not having a go OP, but imo if you can afford a relativly new BMW, then don't complain that that your money is being taken from you.
Sure you can buy a good car for well under 5k these days.

Not sure that's the most capitalist point of view possible.

By that sort of argument, anyone spending any money to buy anything new from a store is being excessive with their money. Clothes, computers, refrigerators, whatnot. If the guy's doing well enough that he can afford $30K worth of car, one would hope that he should get something remotely approximating $30K worth of car. By all means, the government should get a bit of the cut, but why so much and reduce the options available to personnel, requiring them to have cars which are more worn out, with a reduced service life, reduced warranty, and reduced capability, even before looking at performance or luxury.

Cars seem to be a great revenue source anyway: What other item is taxed to the same extent as a car is after purchase? Houses are about the best I can think of. Otherwise, you pay tax above standard VAT to buy the car in the first place. You pay annual taxes to keep it on the road without any purchases involved at all. You pay taxes far in excess of standard VAT to buy petrol to put into the thing.

What is the rationale behind VRT? Other than to get as much money as possible off the people? If the government charged the standard VAT, of 20% or so of $25K, are there really that many cars on the roads each year that it's going to make that much of a difference to the government's coffers?

NTM

SimpleSam06

Feelgood wrote: »

I'm from Louth is right, the smallest county that has the biggest brains in the country living in it :cool:

And yet you're buying a beemer and boasting of your prowess with the ladies... compensating for something smaller?

Feelgood

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

And yet you're buying a beemer and boasting of your prowess with the ladies... compensating for something smaller?

Spoken with true jealousy.....its ok buddie you'll get here someday too..until then keep oiling the chain on the bike wont ya....

SimpleSam06

Feelgood wrote: »

Spoken with true jealousy.....its ok buddie you'll get here someday too..until then keep oiling the chain on the bike wont ya....

Eh, I walk everywhere. Make what you want of that...

Archeron

Lead us OP. Show us the light and tell us where and when, and I'm sure we will turn out en masse to express our outrage. In fact, I'm lighting a flaming torch as I type and I'm doing a crash course in effigy making in the local community school over the weekend.

Vive la bleedin' revolution.

Boston

I'm with you comrade.

ambro25

Am FR, will teach civic disobedience for modest consultant fees, just pm me :cool:

Feelgood

Archeron wrote: »

Lead us OP. Show us the light and tell us where and when, and I'm sure we will turn out en masse to express our outrage. In fact, I'm lighting a flaming torch as I type and I'm doing a crash course in effigy making in the local community school over the weekend.

Vive la bleedin' revolution.

Well firstly we need a name...something thats gonna install fear in em.....
How about the Irish Rebellionist Army or IRA for short?.

Robbo

ambro25 wrote: »

Am FR, will teach civic disobedience for modest consultant fees, just pm me :cool:

Within a 35 hour working week, naturally?

The Hill Billy

Feelgood wrote: »

Whos with me??.....molotov cocktails at the Dail??? are we on??:mad:

Feelgood wrote:

05 BMW 320 Sport....nice bus...car cost €19k....immaculate...add €10500 VRT and you get a certificate to say you've just got rid by the Irish government...

Yaw roysh! I can just picture an unruly mob of '05 BMW 320 Sport'-driving rioters turning up with their faces masked by cashmere scarves, baying for Brian Cowan's blood while kicking down the gates of the Dáil with their Italian loafers.

Feelgood

Hill Billy wrote: »

Yaw roysh! I can just picture an unruly mob of '05 BMW 320 Sport'-driving rioters turning up with their faces masked by cashmere scarves, baying for Brian Cowan's blood while kicking down the gates of the Dáil with their Italian loafers.

Theres an awful lot of BMW driver bashing going on in this thread...WTF?. Its only a car for fu*ks sake, its not a bleedin lifestyle choice. In fact you will find my car cost less than a VW Passat....or even a Kia Sorento....so does that make there drivers tossers too?....

ambro25

Robbo wrote: »

Within a 35 hour working week, naturally?

Ah nope, sorry to disappoint - I be a private sector consultant, a 35 hours working week being (in real life™) the preserve of civil servants

So, so long as ye pays, I teach (some of us are hard - nosed Kapitalists too, y'know!). Naturally, a bonus is payable to me on successful completion of the course, which completion is assessed on the basis of a bona fide full-blown governmental overthrow

Of course, the course is modular and some modules are entirely optional, to be chosen at the time of registration, such as guillotining and public transport sabotaging (rebate available on this module, not much to be done so not much to teach ).

The Hill Billy

Feelgood wrote: »

Theres an awful lot of BMW driver bashing going on in this thread...WTF?. Its only a car for fu*ks sake, its not a bleedin lifestyle choice. In fact you will find my car cost less than a VW Passat....or even a Kia Sorento....so does that make there drivers tossers too?....

Theres an awful lot of whingeing going on in this thread...WTF?. Its only AH for fu*ks sake, its not a bleedin Personal Issue. In fact you will find my post is just the sort of sarcastic crap that you expect to find in After Hours....or even in Beer Guts & Receding Harilines....so does that make there posters tossers too?....

Sonnenblumen

Feelgood wrote: »

Theres an awful lot of BMW driver bashing going on in this thread...WTF?. Its only a car for fu*ks sake, its not a bleedin lifestyle choice. In fact you will find my car cost less than a VW Passat....or even a Kia Sorento....so does that make there drivers tossers too?....

Remember the difference between Hedgehogs and BMWs? Well with the hedgehogs, the pricks are on the outside, with BMWs they're..........well you can guess?

SimpleSam06

Sonnenblumen wrote: »

Remember the difference between Hedgehogs and BMWs? Well with the hedgehogs, the pricks are on the outside, with BMWs they're..........well you can guess?

Smaller?

boneless

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Ah but we do a lovely pint of Guinness.

But for how much longer? Diagio would pull out of Ireland tomorrow if they thought their shareholders wanted them to...

DonJose

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

And yet you're buying a beemer and boasting of your prowess with the ladies... compensating for something smaller?

Thats not fair, I'm sure if feelgood slapped his langer on the keyboard it would go all the way from A to Z

Terry

Couldn't be bothered.
I can't afford a €20,000 car.

OP, pay someone to riot for you.

Neamhshuntasach

I just watched No Volverán, a documentary about Venezuela and it's amazing to see how the people get out and protest and do something. Us Irish moan and complain about everything but never put our words into action.

And we like to think history describes us as revolutionary and rebellious. Ha we're far from it. James Connolly and Jim Larkin couldn't even get huge support in comparison of our population back in 1913.

Ireland needs a socialist revolution and kick the minority ruling class out on its hole. Ireland for the people!

The Hill Billy

DonJose wrote: »

Thats not fair, I'm sure if feelgood slapped his langer on the keyboard it would go all the way from A to Z

Classic!

Feelgood

DonJose wrote: »

Thats not fair, I'm sure if feelgood slapped his langer on the keyboard it would go all the way from A to Z

Yep your right dude, if I got a piano keyboard and did that it probably would....

Though piano keys only run from A to G so its not really great for measuring to be honest....

Mr.Micro

The VRT was put in place to sting anybody who could afford a new car sometime ago as there were limited ways for the Revenue to get even more money ,the favourites being petrol ,cigs and alcohol.Unfortunately this sly and unfair, discriminatory double tax has stuck in there in bad and good times.Since the coffers are empty ,I cant see it being removed .So much for the EU where cars are a lot cheaper than rip off Ireland where everything is dearer it appears than in our EU partners countries

Sonnenblumen

boneless wrote: »

But for how much longer? Diagio would pull out of Ireland tomorrow if they thought their shareholders wanted them to...

Diageo are pulling out of Dublin and relocating to Balbriggan. Imagine how that'll taste?::eek:

Feelgood

Mr.Micro wrote: »

The VRT was put in place to sting anybody who could afford a new car sometime ago as there were limited ways for the Revenue to get even more money ,the favourites being petrol ,cigs and alcohol.Unfortunately this sly and unfair, discriminatory double tax has stuck in there in bad and good times.Since the coffers are empty ,I cant see it being removed .So much for the EU where cars are a lot cheaper than rip off Ireland where everything is dearer it appears than in our EU partners countries

I'm fairly young to be honest and am not that wise in the ways of politics, though I can seem to understand why there are no everyday normal people in the government. I mean they have to know about certain things that are pissing us all off??. If I had 50000 people coming to me and saying yeah I hate this country and I hate this and that, working in government I'd probably go out of my way to try and change things to make people happier?. How come that doesn't happen though?.

I'm not begruding like the rest of the mofo's on this thread, with regards to VRT if it disappeared then everyone would have the chance to be driving nice cars. Maybe we would all driver beemers and have top notch houses, loads of fancy holidays etc. All the government have to do is cut taxes here and there and give us an extra few quid to play with, but they wont why?. As stated I think its because we are not pushing them enough, we talk yada yada yada but it does absolutely nothing.

We put these fu*kers into power and they do nothing for us. I've thought of a
very simple solution....look at the popularity of boards.ie...loads of people expression their point of views and taking the time to respond to questions.

How about a website where the government posts a scenario, for example..

Dear Sir / Madam,
The price of a pint is going up 20 cents. Do you agree?. If you agree we
can open 2 new schools a year and maybe a hospital.

Please tick Y for Yes and N for No....

Everyone logs on ticks Y/N and hey presto, the people are running the country and not the government..all from the comfort of there own home. Obviously the above scenario in real life would be slightly more complex.

I just cant understand how the decision process is so complex on certain aspects of Irish government. Like us they are all bloody talk too.....