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Should cannibas be legalised????
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I think it should not be made legal.
I spent my youth smoking pot, Listening to the pro cannabis guys harping on about how it is harmless.
what a pile of crap.
IM 31 now and have terrible memory problems because of it. When I was 16 I was sharp as a pin but since I smoked pot for a couple of years I can hardly remember what I went out to the kitchen for.
Plus it does lead people on to harder drugs.
if you want to convince yourself that smoking pot is healthy , go right ahead. More fool you.
some time in the growing up process you will regrete the move.0 -
Not again.
Do you really think that legalisation of cannabis will make any difference to its consumption and the problems that come with that?
Do you honestly believe that making it available to those over 21 will stop kids from getting their hands on it?
Do you honestly believe it will be cheaper if legalised?
If you answer yes to any of those questions, then you are either stoned or really deluded.
If it was legal the quality of the stuff with improve, can't see a shop selling weed with glass particles in it, so there's one problem it would solve with regards to the consumption of it.
Under 21's can get their hands on the stuff as it is, making it legal won't cause any additional problems then there are at the moment.
Plus it does lead people on to harder drugs.
You may have moved on to harder drugs after smoking hash, doesn't mean the majority of users do I for one have never touched any other drug bar alcohol, and I smoke cannabis.
Hash doesn't give you a graving for harder drugs that's just daft imo.0 -
Some people seem to think that by legalising it, it will solve some of societies problems, such as keeping it out of the reach of children.If it was legal the quality of the stuff with improve, can't see a shop selling weed with glass particles in it, so there's one problem it would solve with regards to the consumption of it.
Under 21's can get their hands on the stuff as it is, making it legal won't cause any additional problems then there are at the moment.
That is what I was getting at in my post.
As for it being sold without glass particles; you will get people selling it with glass particles in it to kids on the street.
If there is money to be made, then there will be someone willing to make that money.You may have moved on to harder drugs after smoking hash, doesn't mean the majority of users do I for one have never touched any other drug bar alcohol, and I smoke cannabis.
Hash doesn't give you a graving for harder drugs that's just daft imo.
99% of the people I know who have smoked hash have gone on to do harder drugs.
Congratulations on being in the 1%.
Most people go for harder drugs because they are looking for a better high.
Most of them then cop on and realise that beer is the best drug available, because you can use it in moderation and not get messed up.
One or two social pints would not even give most people a buzz. Can you say the same about weed?0 -
You may have moved on to harder drugs after smoking hash, doesn't mean the majority of users do I for one have never touched any other drug bar alcohol, and I smoke cannabis.
Hash doesn't give you a graving for harder drugs that's just daft imo.
I would be hard pressed to think of any young male smokers who have not tried other drugs. Yes, there are a tonne of people who smoke it at a party when its passed around, who have not touched anything else. But as regards people who buy hash and smoke it daily, not one.0 -
Legalisation?
No way.
Used to smoke myself. Noticed a change in my mindset and life in general and decided enough was enough.
And know several people who have ended up in psych wards because of excessive smoking.
And I don't agree with the argument that smokers who develop schizophrenia were always gonna develop it, the smoke just was just the trigger. I believe that cannabis CAUSES many mental illnesses including depression as well as being the trigger that brings to the surface already existing conditions.0 -
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Well I am not stoned ATM so must be deludedPut down your joints and think about it for a minute.
Do you really think that legalisation of cannabis will make any difference to its consumption and the problems that come with that?
Do you honestly believe that making it available to those over 21 will stop kids from getting their hands on it?
Do you honestly believe it will be cheaper if legalised?
If you answer yes to any of those questions, then you are either stoned or really deluded.
Yes, I think consumption will increase. I know a few people who do not smoke due to it being illegal. I know others whos smoking would increase, and subsequently their drinking (and other drug use) would decrease. They would be able to have a smoke outside the pub, and would drink less as they already are partially intoxicated, so will require less additional drugs to reach a desired state. It also will decrease the health risks due to contamination just like methanol alcohol poisoning decreased when prohibition was lifted, much of the "hash" in Ireland is heavily contaminated and is not suitable for smoking OR eating.Do you really think that legalisation of cannabis will make any difference to its consumption and the problems that come with that?
No on this one- more kids will get hold of it than they can now. Just like drink. If drink was illegal it would be harder for kids to get it. ATM some people see alcohol as being legal so "must be grand, otherwise it would be illegal". So you might get people willing to buy cans for a bunch of kids outside an offie. Same would happen with cannabis. If cannabis was legal and some kidnapper held my kid and said he was going to force feed them 0.05g of high grade hash (i.e. 50%+THC) or 6 cans of beer, I would ask him to give him the hash. Both those amounts would have simlar levels of intoxication for myself.Do you honestly believe that making it available to those over 21 will stop kids from getting their hands on it?
Yes, in one way it could be got cheaper. There would still be an illegal trade in it, just like you can get poitin. If alchol was illegal poitin would be more expensive due to the added risk involved wtih dealing it. So smugglers would probably face a less stiff sentence for cannabis smuggling, just like tobacco smugglers will not be charge like a cannabis smuggler would now. Therefore "drug mules" will do it for less so it will be cheaper. I think the majority of people will buy from proper sources just like they do drink, tobacco, viagra, paracetomol- why risk uncontrolled quality levels for the sake of a few quid. The legal stuff would be taxed to an acceptable point where people will not turn to illegal stuff, just like booze & fags are. If smokes went to €50 a pack more people would buy on the street.Do you honestly believe it will be cheaper if legalised?
All drugs should be reviewed under the same criteria to determine their legality. At the moment this is not happening so they laws are hypocritical. It is the hypocrisy of the drug laws that annoys me more than any drug being legal or not.As for it being sold without glass particles; you will get people selling it with glass particles in it to kids on the street.
If there is money to be made, then there will be someone willing to make that money.
This is true of anything. Kids can be sold poitin on the street with high levels of methanol in it. Most kids hang around offies and ask people to get them drink, I expect the same would happen wtih cannabis.
That might be your experience but I have never seen stats or studies in any country that would come close to that. In almost all studies cannabis is shown to be the most widely tried drug by far. if 99% of users also had tried "harder drugs" then other drugs would be tailing close by compared to the amount of cannabis users.99% of the people I know who have smoked hash have gone on to do harder drugs.
Congratulations on being in the 1%.
Dont know what you mean by "harder drugs" many medical professionals would deem alcohol "harder" than cannabis, there was an classification done a year or so ago on the realtive harm of recreational drugs, and alcohol and tobacco were listed up their alongside the drugs you probably consider "hard". And others you probably consider hard were way down the list, e.g. mdma.
Now if you were to say 90%+ of people who tried heroin also tried cannabis then that would make more sense. It would be even more likely that they began on one of the even more popular recreational drugs, like alcohol, and then like you say yourself, they went off looking for a better high.
I certainly can. If you ever go to amsterdam try visiting a quiet coffeeshop, you will see local dutch people and tourist who can enjoy a simple light spliff. Just like you could find a pub in town where people can enjoy a pint or 2. People have this idea that coffeeshops are all full of complete stoners, this is the same as saying everysingle pub in town is full of blaring music with people off their minds on drink, puking everywhere. Of course there are coffeeshops where they cater to such people, just like pubs do.One or two social pints would not even give most people a buzz. Can you say the same about weed?
Of course people can enjoy drugs like alcohol or cannabis at threshold doses, it would be crazy to think people must overindulge in a drug simply because of its legality.
If alcohol was illegal and you personally did not drink you would probably think people could not enjoy 1 or 2 pints too.0 -
Some people seem to think that by legalising it, it will solve some of societies problems, such as keeping it out of the reach of children.
That is what I was getting at in my post.
As for it being sold without glass particles; you will get people selling it with glass particles in it to kids on the street.
If there is money to be made, then there will be someone willing to make that money.
99% of the people I know who have smoked hash have gone on to do harder drugs.
Congratulations on being in the 1%.
Most people go for harder drugs because they are looking for a better high.
Most of them then cop on and realise that beer is the best drug available, because you can use it in moderation and not get messed up.
One or two social pints would not even give most people a buzz. Can you say the same about weed?
Most of them then cop on and realise that beer is the best drug available, because you can use it in moderation and not get messed up.
What about the people who drink and have a complete personality change? Never once saw a stoned person change their personality to the extent of becoming violent/aggressive. Lots of people can't have "one or two sociable drinks" because of the effect it has on them.
And the friends of yours that starting smoking weed and then went on to harder stuff did they drink before smoking hash? Was drink not enough for them?
And yes I can smoke hash without it have a major effect on me like you would have your two pints, different way of consuming it leads to different effects.
I can see how both cannabis and drink can be used in moderation because I enjoy both you only like drink so your views are one sided.0 -
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If it was legal the quality of the stuff with improve, can't see a shop selling weed with glass particles in it, so there's one problem it would solve with regards to the consumption of it.
Under 21's can get their hands on the stuff as it is, making it legal won't cause any additional problems then there are at the moment.
You may have moved on to harder drugs after smoking hash, doesn't mean the majority of users do I for one have never touched any other drug bar alcohol, and I smoke cannabis.
Hash doesn't give you a graving for harder drugs that's just daft imo.
I am speaking generally mate.
They way it worked on myself was that smoking pot familiarised me with drugs. Then some how it was easier for one of my mates to talk me into taking an "e".
If kid could manage to stay away from the bad apples who smoke it , and maybe find a more constructive way to spend an evening, ie sports or hobbies then they would have a beter crack at life.
teenagers have enough to deal with these days with out doing it with a stoned head on them.
legalise it and it will become very available to them.
that's my thoughts on it anyway.0 -
99% of the people I know who have smoked hash have gone on to do harder drugs.
Congratulations on being in the 1%.
Most people go for harder drugs because they are looking for a better high.
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What makes you think the smoking of hash led them to try harder drugs? Drink would be more likely to be the drug that leads most ppl onto harder drugs imo as the effects of drink are more comparable to the out of control effects you get from harder drugs! People are always in control of there actions on weed.0 -
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If kid could manage to stay away from the bad apples who smoke it , and maybe find a more constructive way to spend an evening, ie sports or hobbies then they would have a beter crack at life.
teenagers have enough to deal with these days with out doing it with a stoned head on them.
legalise it and it will become very available to them.
that's my thoughts on it anyway.
See that's typical, people view people that get stoned often as wasters that do nothing but smoke hash every minute of the day and do **** all but bum and scrounge.
I work full time play ball every week and go fishing, I have plenty of hobbies and interests and aren't a boring recluse like most people seem to view people who smoke most days.0 -
E isn't really any "harder" than weed though. Weed just has this image of being "soft" and "harmless" surrounding it, and as a result you get retarded statements like this:They way it worked on myself was that smoking pot familiarised me with drugs. Then some how it was easier for one of my mates to talk me into taking an "e".the effects of drink are more comparable to the out of control effects you get from harder drugs! People are always in control of there actions on weed.
Personally, I would actually consider pure MDMA to be a "softer" drug than either alcohol or weed in terms of being in control of your actions and negative health effects on the whole when taken in moderation.0 -
Well I am not stoned ATM so must be deluded
Yes, I think consumption will increase. I know a few people who do not smoke due to it being illegal. I know others whos smoking would increase, and subsequently their drinking (and other drug use) would decrease. They would be able to have a smoke outside the pub, and would drink less as they already are partially intoxicated, so will require less additional drugs to reach a desired state. It also will decrease the health risks due to contamination just like methanol alcohol poisoning decreased when prohibition was lifted, much of the "hash" in Ireland is heavily contaminated and is not suitable for smoking OR eating.
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Id imgaine most pubs wouldnt tolerate hash smoking around the premises.And the friends of yours that starting smoking weed and then went on to harder stuff did they drink before smoking hash? Was drink not enough for them?
Why bother asking? You know they drank first.
A larger proportion of smokers are what could be termed problem users compared o people who solely drink. The vast majority of drinkers can happil get through the weekdays without a drink. There are few if any smokers who can keep a q in their room and burn it once every 3 days and the weekend only.
Whats with all the anti drink talk anyway. Most stoners I know like sinkin a few pints, so whats your point?0 -
I would genuinely consider moving abroad if cannabis was legalised in this Country. I just don't think i could stomach it to live here anymore.0
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Tha Gopher wrote: »Whats with all the anti drink talk anyway. Most stoners I know like sinkin a few pints, so whats your point?
haha I'm not anti drink, I like sinking a few pints too.
Just using it has a comparison to be honest, just think it's a but hypocritical for people that drink frequently to look down their noses at people that like to smoke frequently.0 -
I would genuinely consider moving abroad if cannabis was legalised in this Country. I just don't think i could stomach it to live here anymore.
If they did you could move to Amsterdam! Lovely city, technically under water which is just cool and they are really relaxed and easy going over there and thats mainly cause of the.... oh wait the drug thing, whoops!
Maybe move to America I hear thats a grat place to live
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since I smoked pot for a couple of years I can hardly remember what I went out to the kitchen for.
So how can you be sure thats what caused your memory problems? Maybe you forgot that you got hit in the head with a saucepan by an angry mexican whose chili you stole and got amnesia, forcing you to keep returning to your kitchen, and its vague memories of the life you once knew...0 -
You said it.Well I am not stoned ATM so must be deluded
Again. There will still be crap sold on the streets.Yes, I think consumption will increase. I know a few people who do not smoke due to it being illegal. I know others whos smoking would increase, and subsequently their drinking (and other drug use) would decrease. They would be able to have a smoke outside the pub, and would drink less as they already are partially intoxicated, so will require less additional drugs to reach a desired state. It also will decrease the health risks due to contamination just like methanol alcohol poisoning decreased when prohibition was lifted, much of the "hash" in Ireland is heavily contaminated and is not suitable for smoking OR eating.
Look at tobacco for example.
You can go into Dublin and buy some cheap cigarettes on the street.
It wouldn't be any different with hash.
As for your Poitin analogy, it's flawed. Different drinks have different flavours. People will drink something they like the taste of.
That's one strange kidnapper, even by kidnapper standards.No on this one- more kids will get hold of it than they can now. Just like drink. If drink was illegal it would be harder for kids to get it. ATM some people see alcohol as being legal so "must be grand, otherwise it would be illegal". So you might get people willing to buy cans for a bunch of kids outside an offie. Same would happen with cannabis. If cannabis was legal and some kidnapper held my kid and said he was going to force feed them 0.05g of high grade hash (i.e. 50%+THC) or 6 cans of beer, I would ask him to give him the hash. Both those amounts would have simlar levels of intoxication for myself.
Ok. viagra and paracetemol have no place in this debate.Yes, in one way it could be got cheaper. There would still be an illegal trade in it, just like you can get poitin. If alchol was illegal poitin would be more expensive due to the added risk involved wtih dealing it. So smugglers would probably face a less stiff sentence for cannabis smuggling, just like tobacco smugglers will not be charge like a cannabis smuggler would now. Therefore "drug mules" will do it for less so it will be cheaper. I think the majority of people will buy from proper sources just like they do drink, tobacco, viagra, paracetomol- why risk uncontrolled quality levels for the sake of a few quid. The legal stuff would be taxed to an acceptable point where people will not turn to illegal stuff, just like booze & fags are. If smokes went to €50 a pack more people would buy on the street.
One gives you a boner and the other gets rid of your wifes headache, so that she will appreciate your boner. Then again, you always bring legal drugs into this arguement, so I shouldn't have expected anything different this time.
Regarding the tax issue, you really are deluded if you are of the opinion that the government will not tax it to bits.
No they shouldn't.All drugs should be reviewed under the same criteria to determine their legality. At the moment this is not happening so they laws are hypocritical. It is the hypocrisy of the drug laws that annoys me more than any drug being legal or not.
Do you understand the difference between recreational drugs and medicinal drugs?
What's with the poitin?This is true of anything. Kids can be sold poitin on the street with high levels of methanol in it. Most kids hang around offies and ask people to get them drink, I expect the same would happen wtih cannabis.
It's not like there are poitin dealers all over the place.
It's extremely rare.
Give it time.That might be your experience but I have never seen stats or studies in any country that would come close to that. In almost all studies cannabis is shown to be the most widely tried drug by far. if 99% of users also had tried "harder drugs" then other drugs would be tailing close by compared to the amount of cannabis users.
You know exactly what I mean by harder drugs. You are just being pedantic.Dont know what you mean by "harder drugs" many medical professionals would deem alcohol "harder" than cannabis, there was an classification done a year or so ago on the realtive harm of recreational drugs, and alcohol and tobacco were listed up their alongside the drugs you probably consider "hard". And others you probably consider hard were way down the list, e.g. mdma.
Most did start on alcohol. What's your point there?Now if you were to say 90%+ of people who tried heroin also tried cannabis then that would make more sense. It would be even more likely that they began on one of the even more popular recreational drugs, like alcohol, and then like you say yourself, they went off looking for a better high.
Most of the people I know who drink alcohol have never done anything stronger.
One average joint will get you high.I certainly can. If you ever go to amsterdam try visiting a quiet coffeeshop, you will see local dutch people and tourist who can enjoy a simple light spliff. Just like you could find a pub in town where people can enjoy a pint or 2. People have this idea that coffeeshops are all full of complete stoners, this is the same as saying everysingle pub in town is full of blaring music with people off their minds on drink, puking everywhere. Of course there are coffeeshops where they cater to such people, just like pubs do.
Of course people can enjoy drugs like alcohol or cannabis at threshold doses, it would be crazy to think people must overindulge in a drug simply because of its legality.
One average alcoholic beverage will not get you drunk.
At my age, no.If alcohol was illegal and you personally did not drink you would probably think people could not enjoy 1 or 2 pints too.
I know plenty of people who do not drink, but they still join me and my friends in the pub and can see that we are capable of having a few sociable drinks.
(when I say "We", I mean my friends. I'm a dipso)
I've seen people become aggressive when they couldn't get any weed.What about the people who drink and have a complete personality change? Never once saw a stoned person change their personality to the extent of becoming violent/aggressive. Lots of people can't have "one or two sociable drinks" because of the effect it has on them.
What does that tell you?
Obviously not.And the friends of yours that starting smoking weed and then went on to harder stuff did they drink before smoking hash? Was drink not enough for them?
Most of them gave up the other crap because they knew it was ****ing up their mental and physical health.
If you can smoke it without it having a major effect on you, then you are either immune or are getting crap hash. If it's the former, then I would say that you have a problem.And yes I can smoke hash without it have a major effect on me like you would have your two pints, different way of consuming it leads to different effects.
Again. One average joint will get you stoned.I can see how both cannabis and drink can be used in moderation because I enjoy both you only like drink so your views are one sided.
One average alcoholic beverage will not get you drunk.
Ever done cocaine?Are you seriously asserting that this is not true for any other drug?
Gimme another line. Gimme another line. Gimme another line.
None left?
Damn it. Call that guy and get some more. Call that guy an....
Ever done "E"?
Shít. this isn't working. Gimme another one.
Crap. I'm coming down. Gimme another one.
Heroin?
Aww man. This is the best buzz ever. *puke*
Yeah. *puke*
If you're not puking, then you're in trouble.
That weed is crap. Put more in the next joint.
They are not social drugs.
1 year ago, this guy was adamant that weed was harmless.E isn't really any "harder" than weed though. Weed just has this image of being "soft" and "harmless" surrounding it, and as a result you get retarded statements like this:the effects of drink are more comparable to the out of control effects you get from harder drugs! People are always in control of there actions on weed.
Nice to see you have grown up a bit.
Nobody sells pure MDMA.Personally, I would actually consider pure MDMA to be a "softer" drug than either alcohol or weed in terms of being in control of your actions and negative health effects on the whole when taken in moderation.
If they tell you it's pure, then they are lying.I would genuinely consider moving abroad if cannabis was legalised in this Country. I just don't think i could stomach it to live here anymore.
I'd probably join you.
Picture Temple bar as it is now.
Now picture it with alcohol coupled with weed.
Careful where you step. Watch out for that puddle of vomit and that passed out English tourist.
I'd also like to point out the flaws in the Amsterdam system.
The place has gone to the dogs.
There are scummy drug dealers on every corner.
Do you really want to see your home town end up like that?0 -
I just read that whole thing. that was a lot of words. good points though about the effect on temple bar and such, never really considered that0
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Do you not acknowledge that the vast amount of drinkers do so to get drunk rather than because they like the taste of a particular beverage that happens to be alcoholic?Again. One average joint will get you stoned.
One average alcoholic beverage will not get you drunk.
Out of those drugs I've done E and weed, and my experiences were absolutely nothing like you've described.Ever done cocaine?
Gimme another line. Gimme another line. Gimme another line.
None left?
Damn it. Call that guy and get some more. Call that guy an....
Ever done "E"?
Shít. this isn't working. Gimme another one.
Crap. I'm coming down. Gimme another one.
Heroin?
Aww man. This is the best buzz ever. *puke*
Yeah. *puke*
If you're not puking, then you're in trouble.
That weed is crap. Put more in the next joint.
They are not social drugs.
And E is a very social drug, weed not so much.
Ah now, I never was adamant that it was perfectly harmless, but yes, I have grown up in that I've realised that the idea that it's distinctly less harmful than other recreational drugs is utter bs.1 year ago, this guy was adamant that weed was harmless.
Nice to see you have grown up a bit.
True, but testing kits and sites like http://ecstasydata.org are a great resource for getting an idea of what's in your pills, and a simple acetone wash does wonders for removing impurities from street pills.Nobody sells pure MDMA.
If they tell you it's pure, then they are lying.0 -
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If you can smoke it without it having a major effect on you, then you are either immune or are getting crap hash. If it's the former, then I would say that you have a problem.
You obviously know very little about cannabis.
If I put half the amount of hash into a joint it won't get me as stoned as a normal joint this will result in me me not being as effected as I would be after smoking a normal joint.
That doesn't mean the hash is bad nor does it mean that I've become immune to it, just means I'm consuming less, less thc in body which ends in me not being as stoned.0 -
Why are you smoking it if you're not going to get stoned?You obviously know very little about cannabis.
If I put half the amount of hash into a joint it won't get me as stoned as a normal joint this will result in me me not being as effected as I would be after smoking a normal joint.
That doesn't mean the hash is bad nor does it mean that I've become immune to it, just means I'm consuming less, less thc in body which ends in me not being as stoned.0 -
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So, mildly stoned then?0
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E isn't really any "harder" than weed though. Weed just has this image of being "soft" and "harmless" surrounding it, and as a result you get retarded statements like this:
Personally, I would actually consider pure MDMA to be a "softer" drug than either alcohol or weed in terms of being in control of your actions and negative health effects on the whole when taken in moderation.
i would appreciate it if you could respond to my messages with out insulting me. I am not retarded and do not make retarded statements.
E is a stronger drug than pot. This is common knowledge and is a class "A" drug.
If i was to smoke 10 joints at one time I would probably vomit and go home
if i was to take 10 e tabs at one time, I would probably end up in hospital. And very well die as a result.
but off coarse MDMA is safe??????0 -
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They should substitute alcohol for dope....0
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You aren't totally in control of your actions when stoned. Your statement was false and worthy of being called retarded.i would appreciate it if you could respond to my messages with out insulting me. I am not retarded and do not make retarded statements.
1. What do you mean by stronger? It's just different tbh. E gives energy and euphoric feelings but no lack of coordination, lack of clarity of thought etc. whereas Marajuana is more relaxing and less euphoric yet gives a lack of coordination, impedes clarity of thought etc.E is a stronger drug than pot. This is common knowledge and is a class "A" drug.
2. It's also "common knowledge" that marajuana is extremely dangerous and causes psychosis etc. "common knowledge" means nothing.
3. Marajuana is a class A/Schedule 1 drug in Ireland, the US and many other countries. Classification means nothing.
If you were to take about 8 paracetamol tablets you'd probably end up in hospital. What has some idiot taking an overdose have to do with safety?If i was to smoke 10 joints at one time I would probably vomit and go home
if i was to take 10 e tabs at one time, I would probably end up in hospital.
but off coarse MDMA is safe??????0 -
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