Champions League - Matchday 5 (Now with 25% extra goals free!)

PHB

I think United/Arsenal/Inter/AC Milan/Juventus/Real Madrid/Barca/Liverpool/Chelsea are all in with a shot :P

If I had to narrow the list, I'd put it down to United/AC Milan/Real/Barca as the favorites. As always I think United are gona win it, but it wouldn't surprise me to see Milan break our hearts again. I think though, they'll get to the quarters either way I think, and after that, if United get a bit of luck on the injuries front, we could go all the way this year.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Not for United I would say.

Arsenal Barca maybe, both play some superb football.

Peyton Manning

I for one say Ronaldo is a better player than Fabregas. Im sure Im not the only one either.

PHB

It's not that he's not a better player, it's just so far this season Fabregas has been better

ziggy

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Guy:Incognito

DesF wrote: »

When Berbatov signs in January, and they are rid of Saha, the choice of striker will be brilliant. Rooney, Tevez and Berbatov.
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Maybe he'll actually manage to outscore Dirk Kuyt if he's playing for Utd.

Peyton Manning

PHB wrote: »

It's not that he's not a better player, it's just so far this season Fabregas has been better

Agreed. This season, Fabregas at his best has been marginally better than Ronaldo not at his best. At their best, Id take Ronaldo over Fabregas anyday.

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Does UEFA Cup cup-tie players for the CL?

Really?

I didn't know that.

cson

Archimedes wrote: »

I for one say Ronaldo is a better player than Fabregas. Im sure Im not the only one either.

Imo, you can't compare. Ronaldo plays primarily on the wings, Fabregas is an out and out centre mid. And I emphasise the out and out bit, the amount of tracking back and tackling the youngster gets in is unbelieveable. Something thats not exactly Ronaldo's biggest attribute

homerjay2005

ziggy wrote: »

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hmmmm, mascherano last season springs to mind...so i guess, if liverpool can do it, then surely united can?

Thanx 4 The Fish

ronaldo has far better players around him than Fabregas and fabregas is the fulcrum of that team. Ronaldo is definitely a good player and better than most but even at the top of his game he is not as good as Fabregas at the top of his game.

He won't be cup tied if Berbs comes to United either.

cson

PHB wrote:

...<snip>Juventus..<snip>

:eek:

I thought the Lazarus story only applied to the bible!

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homerjay2005 wrote: »

hmmmm, mascherano last season springs to mind...so i guess, if liverpool can do it, then surely united can?

Yeah, Masch played against Palermo, I think, for WHU earlier last season.

I think you can go up, but not down.

IE, play in the UEFA then the CL, but not the CL then the UEFA.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Nope, can compete in them seperately in either direction, or such is my reading of the rules.

Actually having re-read there again, am not sure, do they deliberately obfuscate their meanings ?

homerjay2005

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

Nope, can compete in them seperately in either direction, or such is my reading of the rules.

to be honest, those rules were different everytime the mascherano incident was mentioned.....i think des is correct in what he is saying. makes sense.

the press have always been reporting on this incorrectly and there has always been a misconception on these rules. the mascherano incident was the first to bring it to a head.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Not sure that this was the first time it came to a head have been many occasions where this has happened in the past.

PHB

cson wrote: »

:eek:

I thought the Lazarus story only applied to the bible!

What's funny is when I was writing that post, I was thinking, wait are Juve in the CL, no they aren't, much leave them out. The mind is a funny thing

cson

Think I aptly titled my thread too - 27 goals in 8 matches tonight

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ziggy wrote: »

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/5384280.stm

It wasn't the group stages...

So, looks like ziggy is right.

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Jesus ziggy, are you Columbo?

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MrJoeSoap

Negative karma for Evra, Xavi and Juninho tonight from me. For diving and waving imaginary yellow cards respectively.

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MrJoeSoap wrote: »

Negative karma for Evra, Xavi and Juninho tonight from me. For diving and waving imaginary yellow cards respectively.

...and Leo.

smemon

Fantastic win for Utd..

They haven't hit form in the CL, yet have 5 wins out of 5. This was a very tricky group and initially i feared for Utd away from home..

But they've ended up coasting it and doing a professional job. Evra was man of the match imo. The new roberto carlos, with added bite

tdv

PHB wrote: »

I think United/Arsenal/Inter/AC Milan/Juventus/Real Madrid/Barca/Liverpool/Chelsea are all in with a shot :P

If I had to narrow the list, I'd put it down to United/AC Milan/Real/Barca as the favorites. As always I think United are gona win it, but it wouldn't surprise me to see Milan break our hearts again. I think though, they'll get to the quarters either way I think, and after that, if United get a bit of luck on the injuries front, we could go all the way this year.

Bad list but I think Milan could sneak there way into the final again & possibly Sevilla.

estebancambias

Delighted...Vucinic scores twice...Panucci scores for the third game running and Giuly scores a lovely goal. I am really happy I thought we would come unstuck in the freezing cold, considering no Aquilani, Perotta or Totti.
They were wearing wooly sweaters under the jersey.

Final:

Inter Milan vs Roma

Necronomicon

estebancambias wrote: »

They were wearing wooly sweaters under the jersey.

Is that what they were? I thought Guily and De Rossi were wearing scarves

PHB

Roma, lol

estebancambias

All the one.......

*runs away*

estebancambias

It really is not that far fetched...like there is a one in 16 chance they could get to the final.

MrJoeSoap

Roma will be found out again, they offered nothing at Old Trafford.

estebancambias wrote: »

It really is not that far fetched...like there is a one in 16 chance they could get to the final.

If only it were that simple, then every team would have the same odds at the bookies.

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It's more far fetched that Robbie Keane to United.

Unearthly

Milan will knock out Man Utd again, they up their game 40,000% when they play Man Utd

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Or maybe Sir Alex of Ferguson hasn't the tactical know how to beat them.

estebancambias

The midfield is insanely amazing. Ok the forward area is not that great..but still pretty decent, and defence is good.

Unearthly

DesF wrote: »

Or maybe Sir Alex of Ferguson hasn't the tactical know how to beat them.

Yeah he is clueless compared to half of Serie A

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Unearthly wrote: »

Yeah he is clueless compared to half of Serie A

Hang on.

I didn't say anything about Serie A. WTF?

Man Utd didn't beat Milan last season.

Alex Ferguson was in charge. He has to shoulder at least some of the blame.

Feck sake, why are you so sensitive to a bit of well founded criticism?

Unearthly

DesF wrote: »

Hang on.

I didn't say anything about Serie A. WTF?

Man Utd didn't beat Milan last season.

Alex Ferguson was in charge. He has to shoulder at least some of the blame.

Feck sake, why are you so sensitive to a bit of well founded criticism?

lol calm down only having a bit of fun

Ferguson got it all wrong in Milan(he even admitted it himself iirc), but again he didn't have a type of player to stop Kaka, Liverpool had Mascherano in the final and didn't see him till he got subbed off

With our full defence, and Hargreaves it won't be a raping but I still think their midfield just has our midfield number. Gattuso for example I think is so motiviated and pumped up to stop Ronaldo

tdv

PHB wrote: »

I think United/Arsenal/Inter/AC Milan/Juventus/Real Madrid/Barca/Liverpool/Chelsea are all in with a shot :P

If I had to narrow the list, I'd put it down to United/AC Milan/Real/Barca as the favorites. As always I think United are gona win it, but it wouldn't surprise me to see Milan break our hearts again. I think though, they'll get to the quarters either way I think, and after that, if United get a bit of luck on the injuries front, we could go all the way this year.

And also what are Juventus in with a shot for ?

Mitch Connor

DesF wrote: »

Hang on.

I didn't say anything about Serie A. WTF?

Man Utd didn't beat Milan last season.

Alex Ferguson was in charge. He has to shoulder at least some of the blame.

Feck sake, why are you so sensitive to a bit of well founded criticism?

Yes they did.

3-2 at Old Trafford.

A win for Man United, a defeat for Milan.

So, by virtue of scoring more goals then Milan, United beat Milan

See, http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/6582631.stm , proof.

Peyton Manning

Tauren wrote: »

Yes they did.

3-2 at Old Trafford.

A win for Man United, a defeat for Milan.

So, by virtue of scoring more goals then Milan, United beat Milan

See, http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/6582631.stm , proof.

That's gotta hurt

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Tauren wrote: »

Yes they did.

3-2 at Old Trafford.

A win for Man United, a defeat for Milan.

So, by virtue of scoring more goals then Milan, United beat Milan

See, http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/6582631.stm , proof.

And here was me thinking that the CL knockout stages were two-legged affairs.

Manchester United didn't beat Milan over two legs last season..

Alex Ferguson was in charge. He has to shoulder at least some of the blame.

Feck sake, why are you so sensitive to a bit of well founded criticism?

Manchester failed to succeed against Milan last year.

Yes, or no?

Tusky

Tauren wrote: »

Yes they did.

3-2 at Old Trafford.

A win for Man United, a defeat for Milan.

So, by virtue of scoring more goals then Milan, United beat Milan

See, http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/6582631.stm , proof.

How come they got knocked out then ?

mike65

Tonights games

Benfica v AC Milan, D, 19:45
Besiktas v Marseille, A, 19:45
Celtic v Shakhtar Donetsk, D, 19:45
Lazio v Olympi&kos, C, 19:45
Liverpool v FC Porto, A, 19:45
Rosenborg v Chelsea, B, 19:45
Valencia v Schalke 04, B, 19:45
Werder Bremen v Real Madrid, C, 19:45

Mike.

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What are tonight's permutations?

Liverpool and Celtic NEED to win, do they? Or is a point enough for them to remain in contention?

~Rebel~

DesF wrote: »

What are tonight's permutations?

Liverpool and Celtic NEED to win, do they? Or is a point enough for them to remain in contention?

I think if liverpool draw tonight, Besiktas beat Marseille and Liverpool beat Marseille away in 2 weeks then Pool go through. Big risk though, realistically it has to be win tonight.

emc2

DesF wrote: »

What are tonight's permutations?

Liverpool and Celtic NEED to win, do they? Or is a point enough for them to remain in contention?

Both need to win, I think Celtic need to win by 2.

PHB

Liverpool have to win by all accounts. If they play for a draw, then they are idiots, no other way around it.