Best Ever

prendy

ok off the BBC site is this list of each clubs best ever...wondering how many agree with their clubs selection:
as a pool fan i wud have to agree as kenny was IMO one of the best footballers ever.

THE CLUB-BY-CLUB LIST (according to the PFA)
Accrington Stanley Chris Grimshaw
Arsenal Thierry Henry
Aston Villa Paul McGrath
Barnet Dougie Freedman
Barnsley Neil Redfearn
Birmingham Trevor Francis
Blackburn Rovers Alan Shearer
Blackpool Stanley Matthews
Bolton Wanderers Nat Lofthouse
Boston Utd Paul Bastock
Bournemouth Ted Macdougall
Bradford City Stuart McCall
Brentford Stan Bowles
Brighton Peter Ward
Bristol City John Atyeo
Bristol Rovers Devon White
Burnley Jimmy McIlroy
Bury Chris Lucketti
Cambridge Utd Dion Dublin
Cardiff City Phil Dwyer
Carlisle Utd Hugh Mcilmoyle
Charlton Athletic Derek Hales
Chelsea Gianfranco Zola
Cheltenham Town Neil Grayson
Chester City Ian Rush
Chesterfield Ernie Moss
Colchester Karl Duguid
Coventry City Steve Ogrizovic
Crewe David Platt
Crystal Palace Ian Wright
Darlington Alan Walsh
Derby County Kevin Hector
Doncaster Rovers Alick Jeffrey
Everton Dixie Dean
Exeter Alan Banks
Fulham Johnny Haynes
Gillingham Andy Hessenthaler
Grimsby Town Matt Tees
Halifax Town Paul Stoneman
Hartlepool Utd Wattie Moore
Hereford Ronnie Radford
Huddersfield Town Dennis Law
Hull City Ken Wagstaff
Ipswich Town John Wark
Kidderminster Kim Casey
Leeds Utd Billy Bremner
Leicester City Steve Walsh
Leyton Orient Lawrie Cunningham
Lincoln City Alan Graver
Liverpool Kenny Dalglish
Luton Town Mick Harford
Macclesfield Sir John Askey
Man City Bert Trautman
Man Utd Duncan Edwards
Mansfield Town Ken Wagstaff
Middlesbrough Juninho
Millwall Teddy Sheringham
Newcastle Utd Alan Shearer
Northampton Joe Kiernan
Norwich City Kevin Keelan
Nottm Forest Stuart Pearce
Notts County Don Masson
Oldham Athletic Bert Lister
Oxford Utd John Aldridge
Peterborough Terry Bly
Plymouth Tommy Tynan
Port Vale Robbie Earle
Portsmouth Jimmy Dickinson
Preston NE Sir Tom Finney
QPR Stan Bowles
Reading Robin Friday
Rochdale Reg Jenkins
Rotherham Ronnie Moore
Rushden & Diamonds Paul Underwood
Scunthorpe Utd Jack Brownsword
Sheffield Utd Tony Currie
Sheffield Wed Chris Waddle
Shrewsbury Town Arthur Rowley
Southampton Matt Le Tissier
Southend Steve Tilson
Southport Eric Redrobe
Stockport Luke Beckett
Stoke City Stanley Matthews
Sunderland Charlie Hurley
Swansea City Ivor Alvchurch
Swindon Don Rogers
Torquay Robin Stubbs
Tottenham Jimmy Greaves
Tranmere Rovers Ian Muir
Walsall Alan Buckley
Watford John Barnes
West Brom Tony Brown
West Ham Bobby Moore
Wigan Athletic Arjen de Zeeuw
Wimbledon Dave Beasant
Wolves Steve Bull
Wrexham Joey Jones
Wycombe W Dave Carroll
Yeovil Town Terry Skiverton
York City Barry Jackson

And what about overall: Surprise surprise pele is no.1 any arguments here?
Wheres Best tho????

THE TOP 25 PLAYERS OF ALL TIME (according to 'The Greatest Ever Footballers')1 Pele Brazil
2 Ronaldo Brazil
3 Romario Brazil
4 Luis Figo Portugal
5 Zinedine Zidane France
6 Diego Maradona Argentina
7 Lothar Matteus Germany
8 Gerd Muller Germany
9 Franz Beckenbauer Germany
10 Cafu Brazil
11 Roberto Carlos Brazil
12 Marco van Basten Holland
13 Michel Platini France
14 Rivaldo Brazil
15 Paolo Maldini Italy
16 Zico Brazil
17 Raul Spain
18 Ruud Gullit Holland
19 Eusebio Portugal
20 Ferenc Puskas Hungary/Spain
21 Johan Cruyff Holland
22 Alfredo di Stefano Argentina/Spain
23 Bobby Charlton England
24 Jurgen Klinsmann Germany
25 Kenny Dalglish Scotland

delta_bravo

Dont agree with the Blackburn one anyway. He only played with Blackburn for 3-4 seasons. I wouldve put in Simon Garner

DonnieBrasco

prendy wrote: »

ok off the BBC site is this list of each clubs best ever...wondering how many agree with their clubs selection:
as a pool fan i wud have to agree as kenny was IMO one of the best footballers ever.


And what about overall: Surprise surprise pele is no.1 any arguments here?
Wheres Best tho????

roberto carlos? is it just me or does he not belong so far up this list.

lordgoat

Maradona at number 6? Please. And Cruyff at 21? both should be a lot higher.

arbeitsscheuer

Funny how they're almost always attacking players isn't it? With the notable exception of West Ham's Bobby Moore anyway.

On that note, I'd have Big Tone Adams as Arsenal's greatest ever.
Come on, he was even nicknamed 'Mr Arsenal', the clue is right there people!!!:D

Seriously tho, Tony Adams all the way.

EDIT: And no Dennis Bergkamp on the all-time overall list? How is that even possible?!

Mikeyt086

Luis Figo 4th best player ever?

WTF!

Dave!

Another list, another argument!

PiE

Figo over Zidane. Oh dear.

Smegball

Cafu was a great player but above Cruyff and Maldini?

Necronomicon

These lists are so unbelievably pointless!

Chardee MacDennis

Edwards for united? surely Best?

Kanney

Best or Cantona

ROCKMAN

Best will always suffer on international list , because of his national and their record at major events. It is just a fact that because he never got to perform at a major tournament or got to win anything (international) he never gets mentioned.

Juan Pablo

While Trautman was a legend for City surely Colin Bell was our greatest ever. And Romario > Pele > Ronaldo.

prendy

should ronaldhino get a mention?

and keane at utd?
i mean he was the central figure in the clubs most successful ever team?
maybe in 50 years time todays stars will get that kinda recognition.

lordgoat

DaveMcG wrote: »

Another list, another argument!

Yeah but this list is particularly ****. No Bergkamp is a disgrace. Roberto Carlos? ffs. the more i read it the more it pisses me off.

Fratton Fred

I always thought Eusabio was one of the all time greats, or did he just have a great world cup in 1970? I’m surprised he is only ranked 19th, especially if Luis Figo is number 4??

I never saw Jimmy Dickinson play but he is the biggest legend our club has produced, His picture is painted on the seats in the Fratton End. The best player I ever saw play for us was Robert Prosinecki (despite the fact that he was 36 and years of smoking 40 a day had taken their toll) but that was only for one season so it doesn’t count it suppose. Apart from Prosi, Neil Webb and Mark Hateley were both great and as for Benjani ……..:D

GuanYin

Stuart Pearce as Forest's greatest player?

We won the European Cup twice you know. FFS

Figo? Haaaaahhhahahahahahahahaha


As for Neil Redfearn..... Oh dear....

Unearthly

Duncan Edwards :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Utter shambles

Guy:Incognito

I assume this is the saem list that was discussed in a thread a couple of weeks back?

It looks the same. The way they picked the all time list (theres actually 100 on the list with Roy Keane at 92 and no George Best) was a lot to do with international stats which killed off th echances of BEst. It's from a new book about the best players ever, that George Best manages to get on the cover of but isnt mentioned in.

tdv

Stekelly wrote: »

I assume this is the saem list that was discussed in a thread a couple of weeks back?
It looks the same. The way they picked the all time list (theres actually 100 on the list with Roy Keane at 92 and no George Best) was a lot to do with international stats which killed off th echances of BEst. It's from a new book about the best players ever, that George Best manages to get on the cover of but isnt mentioned in.

No, this is a new one that is slighty worse.

justfortherecor

Indeed.

The second list 'World's Greatest' is an absolute farce. Seeing Cafu and R.Carlos so far up exemplifies that

leninbenjamin

those lists are always good for a laugh.

Duncan Edwards for Utd over George Best?
Figo at number 4.

ahhh the short termism of football fans...

eirebhoy

tdv wrote: »

No, this is a new one that is slighty worse.

It's the exact same list as the one a few weeks ago. It's purely based on stats, not opinion.

invincibleirish

Paul McGrath for villla? madness,great a player as he was though i think he will always be regarded as a man utd player rather then villa.

for villa i think Gordon Cowans,Nigel Spink, Peter Withe and maybe platty in his pomp

and of course the whole of the 1982 team captained by this manhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mortimer.jpg


*edit* if were going way old school then it has to be pongo waring*edit*

eirebhoy

invincibleirish wrote: »

Paul McGrath for villla? madness,great a player as he was though i think he will always be regarded as a man utd player rather then villa.

I don't know about that.

invincibleirish

eirebhoy wrote: »

I don't know about that.

well ill qualify it by saying that in general irish company(my friends)when talking bout him its always ireland and man utd. they mention as in "paul mcgrath legend for ireland and utd"

of course in brummie company(my family) its paul the legend,player of the year 93 and all that

let me, as a villa fan, re-affirm what a hero the man is


*bows to god*

zAbbo

Paul McGrath would be better known as a villa player, considering his amazing 93 season, that and playing a hundred odd more games for Villa...

Villain

invincibleirish you obviously have neven been to Villa Park, Paul McGrath is known as GOD at the Villa Park you will still see hundreds if not thousands of Villa shirts around Villa with GOD and number 4 on the shirt. McGrath is regarded as Villa's best player ever because he was, simple.

Mr. Presentable

irish1 wrote: »

McGrath is regarded as Villa's best player ever because he was simple.

What a strange remark. He wouldn't thank you for it:D

Villain

nipplenuts wrote: »

What a strange remark. He wouldn't thank you for it:D

rofl thats what happens when you leave out a ,

eirebhoy

haha

MrJoeSoap

Who's this Le Tissier fella?

Van Basten should be top ten at least but these lists don't bother me in the slightest, everyone is going to have their opinions.

DSB

Where are Young and Agbonlahor in that top 25 list?

Guy:Incognito

DSB wrote: »

Where are Young and Agbonlahor in that top 25 list?

Where they belong.

DSB

26th and 27th I hope?

Guy:Incognito

DSB wrote: »

26th and 27th I hope?

You can keep going. Probably best to add a zero or 2 to each.

Villain

DSB you do realise its a list of best ever! not just the last season?

GuanYin

Pfft, we all know from match of the day that the top 10 list should be like this:

1. David Beckham
2. Gazza
3. Tony Adams
4. Alan Shearer
5. Bryan Robson
6. Frank Lampard
7. Gary Lineker
8. Micheal Owen
9. Peter Shilton
10. Rio Ferdinand/John Terry

invincibleirish

irish1 wrote: »

invincibleirish you obviously have neven been to Villa Park, Paul McGrath is known as GOD at the Villa Park you will still see hundreds if not thousands of Villa shirts around Villa with GOD and number 4 on the shirt. McGrath is regarded as Villa's best player ever because he was, simple.

yes i have been to VP,probably more times then you(i dont wish that to sound condescending and i saw him play for villa(and derby) many times)

im well aware of pauls status in birmingham but i wouldnt think he is villas best player of all time,that doesnt make me evil its just id rather peter withe and spink et al euro cup 82(despite i never seeing them play except spink) for simple reason he scored winner in ec final

my original point was in irish eyes (my friends, associates etc.) mcgrath is seen as an ireland player first,united second then villa third,bit like people always talk about staunton as a "former liverpool player" although best years of his career like mcgraths were at the villa


*edit* scratch all that my nomination for best villa player ftw was phil king,scoring winning penalty v inter then going back to sheffield wed reserves *edit*

Villain

Well in Villa fans eyes he was a Villa player first and Irish second and I don't know any other player that Villa Fans call God, not Cowans or Withe or Spink.