Which Alfa?

Poppy Cock

Yo - I'm not gay so I don't care about fuel consumption/cost/environment, etc - I'm wondering which Alfa woul be better re overall power/performance/handling:

An Alfa 147: in 1.6 petrol, or 1.9 Diesel?

smcgiff

Poppy Cock wrote: »

Yo - I'm not gay ...

An Alfa 147: in 1.6 petrol, or 1.9 Diesel?

That you're thinking of driving a 147 is doubt enough!:D


1.9 JTD 16v Multijet (1910cc, 140 bhp, 128 mph, 0-62: 9.1 seconds)

1.9 JTD (1910cc, 115 bhp, 119 mph, 0-62: 9.9 seconds)

1598cc, 105bhp, 115mph, 0-62: 11.3 seconds

1598cc, 120 bhp, 121 mph, 0-62: 10.6 seconds

1970 cc, 150 bhp, 129 mph, 0-62: 9.3 seconds

siralfalot

Poppy Cock wrote: »

Yo - I'm not gay so I don't care about fuel consumption/cost/environment, etc - I'm wondering which Alfa woul be better re overall power/performance/handling:

An Alfa 147: in 1.6 petrol, or 1.9 Diesel?

aaah excelent taste, in that case my friend what you need is the sweet sweet sound of an Alfa V6 :D

the eco weeney lynch mob will out to get you soon though, telling you to buy a prius........:rolleyes:

the 1.9 Diesel is a way better performer than the 1.6, which is a bit breathless to be honest

is it a 147 you are going for? or will other models tempt you?

Poppy Cock

smcgiff wrote: »

That you're thinking of driving a 147 is doubt enough!:D

It's for a friend. I drive a Veyron. But seriously, it's not for me.

smcgiff

siralfalot wrote: »

aaah excelent taste,

Have ordered the 159 2.4l JTDM TI for January. Couldn't convince myself to get the V6 from an econ pov. I must be getting old!!!

ZiabR

Voted the most unreliable car manufacture of 07 and people still go crazy for Alfas. Ahh well..... they do look nice

smcgiff

logik wrote: »

Voted the most unreliable car manufacture of 07 and people still go crazy for Alfas. Ahh well..... they do look nice

Where?

The What Car survey was out lately and Alfa was not at the bottom, and ahead of Audi. Also, this takes into account the dreadful 156 and not the 159.

BMW had a very poor result as well.

siralfalot

logik wrote: »

Voted the most unreliable car manufacture of 07 and people still go crazy for Alfas. Ahh well..... they do look nice

there is more to life than driving a boring car, I also on occasion drive an Avensis and a Passat, I bloomin hate them, they are just so tedious, and the Passat is a bloomin nightmare, it breaks down at least once a month

Alfa's are fun

ZiabR

It was my lame effort at sparking up the good old Alfa Vs Rest war .

I was suprised at BMW too actually, they didnt fair too well did they.

smcgiff

logik wrote: »

It was my lame effort at sparking up the good old Alfa Vs Rest war .

*Points* TROLL!!!

babel

Can I get peoples opinion on the Alfa GT. I was stuck in two minds when I was buying my car 6 months ago. It was between the GT and BMW 318 ci Mtek. Went for the BMW in the end due to fears over the Alfa reliabilty

mvpr

156 1.9 JTD 115 BHP is a nice car - great handling and plenty of torque. Great for country roads. I'm only guessing the 147 would handle even better. Definitely on the shortlist for my next car.

You can have them remapped for a few hundred quid if you want more power.

siralfalot

babel wrote: »

Can I get peoples opinion on the Alfa GT. I was stuck in two minds when I was buying my car 6 months ago. It was between the GT and BMW 318 ci Mtek. Went for the BMW in the end due to fears over the Alfa reliabilty

the GT is an excellent car, and the 1.9 JTDm is a peach of an engine, we have one in our fleet and it has never missed a beat in 3 years and 70K miles

mvpr wrote: »

156 1.9 JTD 115 BHP is a nice car - great handling and plenty of torque. Great for country roads. I'm only guessing the 147 would handle even better. Definitely on the shortlist for my next car.

You can have them remapped for a few hundred quid if you want more power.

or you can go for the 2.4 JTD, fricken awesome (for a diesel) if I say so myself :D

Lex Luthor

smcgiff wrote: »

this takes into account the dreadful 156 and not the 159.

dreadful is very very harsh word there when describing the 156. My 8 yr old one has never given me an ounce of trouble

siralfalot wrote: »

the GT is an excellent car, and the 1.9 JTDm is a peach of an engine, we have one in our fleet and it has never missed a beat in 3 years and 70K miles

I heard exactly the same thing. Seriously considering one next

prospect

The 1.9JTD 16v has been 150Bhp since mid 2005.

prospect

logik wrote: »

I was suprised at BMW too actually, they didnt fair too well did they.

They never do as well as people think.

The only thing BMW can do well is market their cars a reliable, and lots of suckers fall for this.

Anyone I know who buys an old BMW ends up regretting it. (Excluding the proper BMWs of the 80's and very early 90's).

unkel

prospect wrote: »

Anyone I know who buys an old BMW ends up regretting it. (Excluding the proper BMWs of the 80's and very early 90's).

*coughs*

siralfalot

prospect wrote: »

The 1.9JTD 16v has been 150Bhp since mid 2005.

since Jan 2004 actually, but only in the GT
the 156 and 147 continued getting the 140bhp version until 2005 (AFAIK)

in the new year, the 159 and GT will be getting a revised version of the engine, called 1.9 JTDmTST using twin turbos to generate 190bhp, while decreasing carbon emissions (if you're into that sort of thing) and not effecting fuel economy

this engine is already available in the current Saab 9-5 with 180bhp, as Alfa will be keeping the most powerfull versions for themselves

siralfalot

unkel wrote: »

*coughs*

here you go, gotta look after yourself

RobAMerc

prospect wrote: »

The only thing BMW can do well is market their cars a reliable, and lots of suckers fall for this.

When did BMW ever market their cars as reliable ?

Reliability is the measure of a car only for those who have no idea what they should be looking for in a car. Thats why enthusiasts love Alfa's and non enthusiasts don't.

BMW claim their cars to be the "Ultimate driving machine" - whether they live up to this or not is for another thread

siralfalot

RobAMerc wrote: »

Reliability is the measure of a car only for those who have no idea what they should be looking for in a car. Thats why enthusiasts love Alfa's and non enthusiasts don't.

I think I've found a new sig! :cool:

kyote00

I had the good luck to get a drive in a 2.4 diesel Brera and was very impressed.

I have had a v6 156 since 1999 and think the diesel powerplant is equally as good. The only missing part is the lovely noise from the petrol v6....

The nicest sound of course is that of the v8 powered alfa

Lex Luthor

siralfalot wrote: »

in the new year, the GT will be getting a revised version of the engine, called 1.9 JTDmTST using twin turbos to generate 190bhp

wohoo.....you just made my day....:D:D:D

linky?

bazz26

OP - The diesel 147 is as rare as hens teeth in Ireland. They are few and very far between. You will most probably have to travel to the UK for one of those.

smcgiff

Lex Luthor wrote: »

dreadful is very very harsh word there when describing the 156. My 8 yr old one has never given me an ounce of trouble

While being one of Alfa's best sold cars the early model's perceived poor reliability hurt the company a lot. Ironically sales of the much better later models plummeted.

However, I drove a 1.6 156 back in the days when I thought a 1.6 was nippy and I was impressed.

ciarsd

Lex Luthor wrote: »

wohoo.....you just made my day....:D:D:D

linky?

The 'Alfa' 190BHP/400Nm version is not due until mid next year in Europe so I'd expect it won't be seen in Irish dealerships until Jan '09.

Autoblog.nl wrote:

The 1.9 JTD TWIN STAGE TURBO is the latest development within the FPT Diesel Family with a specific power close to 100 HP/l. This engine has been developed with the target to add to FPT Diesel portfolio an engine with high power & torque density, excellent low-end-torque and already capable to meet the future Euro 5 emission standards.

Based on the current 1.9 JTD 16v engine, the engine will be available in two versions:

180 HP @ 4000 rpm
190 HP @ 4000 rpm

both with 400 Nm torque @ 2000 rpm.



The engine will be sold to both captive and non-captive customers, with the higher power output reserved to FGA applications.

The low-end-torque has been improved by 50%, with 300 Nm available already from 1250 rpm. These outstanding performances have been achieved basically through the introduction of an advanced charging technology, such as the Two Stage Turbocharger, together with proper design changes, to increase the thermo-structural resistance with increased peak cylinder pressure (up to 180 bar) and exhaust gas temperature (up to 800 deg. C). The Two Stage Turbo (TST) technology allows to remove the usual constraints that the engineers have to face when the size of the turbocharger must be selected, that usually means to accept a compromise between power and low-end-torque.
With TST we have a small turbocharger operating at low rpm for optimal low-end-torque and response from low vehicle speed. This small turbo is passed when the required power output increases and a second turbocharger with higher size comes into operation. Besides the improvement of overall performances, the TST technology allows increasing the EGR rate without penalties on fuel consumption and therefore gives a relevant contribution towards NOx emission reduction.

The engine has been designed to comply with Euro 5 emission standards. This target has been achieved thanks to: reduction of the CR from 17.5 to 16.5 and adoption of low-voltage metallic glow plugs improved EGR cooler (with by-pass) and EGR valve adoption on Lambda sensor with DPF new design of inlet ducts.

Sonnenblumen

logik wrote: »

Voted the most unreliable car manufacture of 07 and people still go crazy for Alfas. Ahh well..... they do look nice

Alfa sold only 300 units last year, so I think Ireland might be safe.

Motormouth

bazz26 wrote: »

OP - The diesel 147 is as rare as hens teeth in Ireland. They are few and very far between. You will most probably have to travel to the UK for one of those.

True, single figures of those reg'd over here. Very very quick car though. If you thought a 156 Mjet was quick, try one of these (after you import it of course!)

Lex Luthor

ciarsd wrote: »

The 'Alfa' 190BHP/400Nm version is not due until mid next year in Europe so I'd expect it won't be seen in Irish dealerships until Jan '09.

ciarsd, is that autoblog site available in english?

ciarsd

Lex Luthor wrote: »

ciarsd, is that autoblog site available in english?

Usually their reports are published in English also - its usually directly under the dutch report or as a link below the dutch report.

Doing your homework for next year?