Champions League Final on a Saturday from 2010

leninbenjamin

from the BBC

Uefa moves Champions League final
Champions League
The Champions League final will move from its midweek slot to Saturday from 2010, Uefa has announced.

The first Saturday evening final will be at Rome's Stadio Olimpico.

Qualification will also change, with 22 teams qualifying based on their league standing, and a two-part tournament for the remaining 10 places.

Five of them will be disputed by 15 teams from leading nations, and teams from Uefa's 40 other member nations will compete for the last five places.

Format changes also mean that three Premier League teams will qualify automatically for the group stage, as will the champions of Scotland.

But the fourth-placed Premier League side will face a stiffer test in the qualifying round, as they are more likely to face stronger opponents than under the current format.

God dammit. another tradition messed with for the sake of commercialism.

Guy:Incognito

Boo urns to that. Wednesday ftw.

Royale with Cheese

ghey

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Good idea

Mr Alan

still gonna be a night-time kick off afaik, which is the most important thing.

YeatsCounty

Why? :mad:

Wednesday night in May is European club finals night in my mind. Saturday ftl.

Pigman II

They won't be finished tinkering until the only qualification criteria is "how much money did you make last year?"

Gillie

3 teams straight in!!!

Champions league me arse!

Bounty Hunter

atleast it means whoever is in it will have a whole week to prepare as all leagues finish on the Weekends afaik

MrJoeSoap

According to the Beeb now there hasn't been a venue announced, and Wembley is in the running for 2010.

Unearthly

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

atleast it means whoever is in it will have a whole week to prepare as all leagues finish on the Weekends afaik

The league usually finishes a week and a half before the CL final, the FA Cup final is usually the weekend after the league ends. Would be interesting if they choose to have the CL final on the saturday the FA Cup is usually on.

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Unearthly

ziggy wrote: »

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Considering these things need to be planned months in advance, and English teams have a good record in making the final, it doesn't depend on if they make the final that year as they can't take the chance:rolleyes:

mike65

That Platini bloke. :mad: Still, at least its not a 3pm game. :rolleyes:

Mike.

ziggy

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Unearthly

ziggy wrote: »

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For some reason you seem to think I care about other countrys? I'm wondering what the FA will do. You can care about what Spain and Italy will do for all I care

You failed at trying to make a point.:cool:

English teams made 4 Champions League finals. Man Utd in 99, Liverpool 05, 07 and Arsenal 06. Get your facts right if trying to be a smart arse

Eirebear

I cant wait...it means that when Rangers get there i can get the whole weekend away :D

KdjaCL

i agree with this and the 3 teams straight in ,platini is a genius.

Albet big clubs wont realise it until they murdering some champions of some obscure country 8-0, new qual rules mean 6 countries are gauranteed in from lower seeded countries so their champions gauranteed 16 million without having to play a team that came 4th from EPL or la liga. they now play each other thus ensuring a smaler team or 6 of themin every CL group its called sharing the wealth but bigger teams wont like it as it means that liverpool could play ac milan in a qualifier whilst drogs play fc chisnau to get in.



kdjac

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Mr.Nice Guy

leninbenjamin wrote: »

from the BBC

God dammit. another tradition messed with for the sake of commercialism.

You must be joking? The Champions League is an affront to tradition and is all about commercialism.

I thought everyone knew that. Or are some people of the view that the top clubs have the "best interests of the game" at heart?

d22ontour

Saturday = more beer = good idea.

Top clubs/bottom clubs/football and tradition ? Money in the last 10 years dictated when matches were played in all the top leagues at some point.There is no tradition tbh.

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KdjaCL wrote: »

i agree with this and the 3 teams straight in ,platini is a genius.

Albet big clubs wont realise it until they murdering some champions of some obscure country 8-0, new qual rules mean 6 countries are gauranteed in from lower seeded countries so their champions gauranteed 16 million without having to play a team that came 4th from EPL or la liga. they now play each other thus ensuring a smaler team or 6 of themin every CL group its called sharing the wealth but bigger teams wont like it as it means that liverpool could play ac milan in a qualifier whilst drogs play fc chisnau to get in.

Shush you, letting the cat out of the bag like that. :rolleyes:

Let them be scandalised about the changing of tradition, and we';; sneak a eL team into the group stages without them even noticing.

Just hope it isn't your lot.

oobydooby

Good for the small leagues, especially EL. Good for neutrals as the qualifiers will be interesting amongst the 'big teams'. Good for the competition too as new names shake it up a bit. Rosenborg have been a surprise this year as have Besiktas. Not so good for Manchester City or Aston Villa though:rolleyes:

Platini's a class player. Watched him in a charity game in France a few years ago. He still has it. Good to see him stirring it up a bit.

Guy:Incognito

DesF wrote: »

Let them be scandalised about the changing of tradition, and we';; sneak a eL team into the group stages without them even noticing.

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Yeah you can all celebrate how great the EL is then and how its come on leaps and bounds to get a team inot the group stages when in reality a rule change got you there.

Unearthly

Big incentive to not finish last out of the top 4 now.;)

Great for fans of those clubs, absolute balls to the people not wanting to see more 8-0 rapings.

MrJoeSoap

Stekelly wrote: »

Yeah you can all celebrate how great the EL is then and how its come on leaps and bounds to get a team inot the group stages when in reality a rule change got you there.

Liverpool fan... rule change... anyone got a camera handy?

leninbenjamin

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

You must be joking? The Champions League is an affront to tradition and is all about commercialism.

I know this. hence a said another tradition messed. :rolleyes:

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Stekelly wrote: »

Yeah you can all celebrate how great the EL is then and how its come on leaps and bounds to get a team inot the group stages when in reality a rule change got you there.

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

Liverpool fan... rule change... anyone got a camera handy?

pwnd.

Guy:Incognito

The rules were changed because the FA were too spineless to follow precident. Either way were talking about the opposite end of th ecompetition that neither of you will ever have to worry about.

MrJoeSoap

Stekelly wrote: »

The rules were changed because the FA were too spineless to follow precident. Either way were talking about the opposite end of th ecompetition that neither of you will ever have to worry about.

We bow to your infinite superiority. Continue.

therecklessone

Stekelly wrote: »

Yeah you can all celebrate how great the EL is then and how its come on leaps and bounds to get a team inot the group stages when in reality a rule change got you there.

I thought it was a rule change that excluded the likes of the EL teams in the first place?

Guy:Incognito

therecklessone wrote: »

I thought it was a rule change that excluded the likes of the EL teams in the first place?

Not really in fairness. It just meant they had to qualify. The rules dont make them not good enough to qualify.


Just chose 78-79 at random to have a look at the first round games. Do we really want results like this?
Real Madrid 12 - 0 Progres Niedercorn
Grasshopper-Club 13 - 3 Valletta FC

Seedings more or less sort out huge scores. Though you will get a few freak results like the Liverpool Besiktas game but its not like Besiktas have been hammered in every game.

MrJoeSoap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMjsDNJAn2U

therecklessone

Stekelly wrote: »

Not really in fairness. It just meant they had to qualify. The rules dont make them not good enough to qualify.

The Competition Formerly Known as European Cup (CFKAEC) was changed to the Champions (and 2nd place, and 3rd place, and gosh! even 4th place for the really good boys) League.

The rules were changed.

You don't need to be a champion anymore. You just need to be a really good boy.

See?

End result, the lower leagues have been relegated to their rightful place, scrambling around on the floor hoping for a few crumbs from the top table. Long may that continue, I don't think sides like Man Utd or Real make anywhere near enough money, UEFA should really focus their efforts on helping them out.

MrJoeSoap

therecklessone wrote: »

The Competition Formerly Known as European Cup (CFKAEC) was changed to the Champions (and 2nd place, and 3rd place, and gosh! even 4th place for the really good boys) League.

The rules were changed.

You don't need to be a champion anymore. You just need to be a really good boy.

See?

End result, the lower leagues have been relegated to their rightful place, scrambling around on the floor hoping for a few crumbs from the top table. Long may that continue, I don't think sides like Man Utd or Real make anywhere near enough money, UEFA should really focus their efforts on helping them out.

+1 for the lowest form of wit!

Zaph

Unearthly wrote: »

The league usually finishes a week and a half before the CL final, the FA Cup final is usually the weekend after the league ends. Would be interesting if they choose to have the CL final on the saturday the FA Cup is usually on.

Statistically it's probably not worth thinking too hard about. Only twice has a club made the European Cup and Fa Cup finals in the same year.

1977 - Liverpool
1999 - Man United

Guy:Incognito

therecklessone wrote: »

The Competition Formerly Known as European Cup (CFKAEC) was changed to the Champions (and 2nd place, and 3rd place, and gosh! even 4th place for the really good boys) League.

The rules were changed.

You don't need to be a champion anymore. You just need to be a really good boy.

See?

End result, the lower leagues have been relegated to their rightful place, scrambling around on the floor hoping for a few crumbs from the top table. Long may that continue, I don't think sides like Man Utd or Real make anywhere near enough money, UEFA should really focus their efforts on helping them out.

SO the whole crux of your arguement is the name? I thought we'd done that one to death by now?The European cup used to be only for champions (and the defending european cup holders) but the name never suggested that. Dont remember there being uproar. Either way its more difficult to win and a harder comp now so meh. It's better all round. Football fo rthe fans and the current cl is what suits the most fans.

Guy:Incognito

zaph wrote: »

Statistically it's probably not worth thinking too hard about. Only twice has a club made the European Cup and Fa Cup finals in the same year.

1977 - Liverpool
1999 - Man United

Did they say which date they will use, because if they didnt I'd imagine they'd go for the sat after the current wed date, ie aroudn the 28th.

therecklessone

Stekelly wrote: »

SO the whole crux of your arguement is the name?

I'm responding to your original point that an EL team will only get in with a rule change.

My point is that the original format of the competition was changed to accomodate teams that were not champions of their domestic league. The team you support would never have competed in the CL if the format had stayed the same.

What will happen in 2010? The format will change, allowing sides from the lesser Euro leagues a chance to eat at the top table.

Its not that hard to understand, and if your original point is to stand then you'll need to concede that my point is valid.

Hope that's ok.

KdjaCL

pats 0 real 11
rosenborg 5 pats 0
stuttgart 7 pats 0
real 21 pats 1 YESSSS!!!!!
pats 0 rosenborg 5
pats 0 stuttgart 14

pats 16 million richer and a goal* get in tbh.

pats buy a player from another EL club for a milion as they have it, we sign players from championship as we have CL football and money, irish players the play in CL every year national side gets better.

replace EL with any league with a coeficent of less than 10, how can that be a bad thing? unless your a pool fan playing AC in a pre qual whilst champions get a handy draw.


* goal may not happen


kdjac

Guy:Incognito

KdjaCL wrote: »

pats 0 real 11
rosenborg 5 pats 0
stuttgart 7 pats 0
real 21 pats 1 YESSSS!!!!!
pats 0 rosenborg 5
pats 0 stuttgart 14

pats 16 million richer and a goal* get in tbh.

pats buy a player from another EL club for a milion as they have it, we sign players from championship as we have CL football and money, irish players the play in CL every year national side gets better.

replace EL with any league with a coeficent of less than 10, how can that be a bad thing? unless your a pool fan playing AC in a pre qual whilst champions get a handy draw.


* goal may not happen


kdjac

Surely the first team that wins the EL under the new system and gets the huge cash injection will pull so far ahead of the others so quickly that they will just keep winning the EL and getting more money, resulting in a 1 team league and no hope for anyone?

bohsman

Stekelly wrote: »

Surely the first team that wins the EL under the new system and gets the huge cash injection will pull so far ahead of the others so quickly that they will just keep winning the EL and getting more money, resulting in a 1 team league and no hope for anyone?

So we would be better off not trying? How many teams have won the premiership?

Sunderland hammered last week, Derby hammered most weeks, why should they be in the Prem, if there were only 5 or 6 teams in the premiership there would never be a bad/one sided game.

Guy:Incognito

bohsman wrote: »

So we would be better off not trying? How many teams have won the premiership?

Sunderland hammered last week, Derby hammered most weeks, why should they be in the Prem, if there were only 5 or 6 teams in the premiership there would never be a bad/one sided game.

Different situation. that sort of money given to one club in a small league could have a negative effect imo.

Say Bohs won the league (:)) Then used that money to buy the best available players. Then won the league for the next 2 years. They would be light years ahead of anyone else in the league money wise.

bohsman

Short term yes but it would make the league more marketable, also at this stage 10million isnt going to make that huge a difference, most clubs have wage bills of 2-3 million a year at the moment, the second a club has money players and other clubs start asking for more