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    #32
    monkeyfudge
    Registered Users Posts: 23,216 ✭✭✭✭monkeyfudge


    I might be doing a radio slot on christmas day actually... anyone got any subversive requests?


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    #33
    The Bollox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,372 ✭✭✭The Bollox


    Do you say "happy christmas" or "merry christmas" to anyone around this time of year? I don't mean when woking and are obliged to, I mean when in the pub with a few mates would you raise your glass and say either quotes or salute anyone who said them? considiring you are basically saying "enjoy the day Jesus Christ was born" despite not believing it


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    #34
    monkeyfudge
    Registered Users Posts: 23,216 ✭✭✭✭monkeyfudge


    I don't think I make a habbit of saying it personally.

    And make sure my office is nice and secular... the cards we send out from the office always read 'season's greetings'


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    #35
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    monkeyfudge wrote: »
    I might be doing a radio slot on christmas day actually... anyone got any subversive requests?

    Anything from scary solstice...

    http://www.cthulhulives.org/Solstice/


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    #36
    Fallen Seraph
    Registered Users Posts: 443 ✭✭Fallen Seraph


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    Anything from scary solstice...

    http://www.cthulhulives.org/Solstice/

    Lol.

    Reminds me much of these two chick tract parodies.


    The Bollox wrote:
    considiring you are basically saying "enjoy the day Jesus Christ was born" despite not believing it

    I think you're quite missing the whole "Actually, it's a pagan festival." rebuttal that was made.


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    #37
    PDN
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    The Bollox wrote: »
    Do you say "happy christmas" or "merry christmas" to anyone around this time of year? I don't mean when woking and are obliged to, I mean when in the pub with a few mates would you raise your glass and say either quotes or salute anyone who said them? considiring you are basically saying "enjoy the day Jesus Christ was born" despite not believing it

    It's not any different to saying, "See you on Thursday" which is really saying, "I'll see you on Thor's special day" despite not believing in Thor.


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    #38
    Hivemind187
    Registered Users Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭Hivemind187


    Fanny Cradock wrote: »
    Far out!

    You guzzle Turkey? Do you blend that before hand like a 'meat shake' or just masticate and then guzzle?

    Depends on my mood and access to quality home-liquidising equipment.


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    #39
    Hivemind187
    Registered Users Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭Hivemind187


    monkeyfudge wrote: »
    I might be doing a radio slot on christmas day actually... anyone got any subversive requests?

    Any chance of hearing "Santa Clause is on the dole" by the Spitting Image guys ... y'now, in honour of all of us who have lost out jobs coming upto Christmas?


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    #40
    lostexpectation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    im not too keen on referring to it as pagan festival either, I know pagan means non-religious too partly but It still associates with worship of gods, it simply an end of year thing...


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    #41
    stereoroid
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    chrifsmas.jpg
    This ChriFSMas, my dinner will be: Spaghetti & Meat Balls! :p


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    #42
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Pagan does not mean non religous it means non Abrahamic.


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    #43
    MagicMarker
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    Is there anyone else here who doesn't eat turkey on xmas? We always have rolled pork&stuffing, Mmmmm:)


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    #44
    Wreck
    Registered Users Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭Wreck


    Lots of nice food, time of work to spend with friends and family, presents and booze -what more could you want.
    Beruthiel wrote: »
    Bailys for breakfast.

    I'm so trying this this year:D


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    #45
    Nevyn
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    [nsfw]http://web.archive.org/web/20070129010550/e-sheep.com/Saturnalia/

    But highly recamended.


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    #46
    condra
    Registered Users Posts: 3,849 ✭✭✭condra


    hmm interesting.


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    #47
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Personally I found it funny the fundies on both sides.


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    #48
    Wacker
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    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Is there anyone else here who doesn't eat turkey on xmas? We always have rolled pork&stuffing, Mmmmm:)
    *Raises hand* We have beef wellington - a big block in fillet steak covered in mushrooms and onions and baked in pastry. It is the best stuff ever.

    I love Christmas. Last year was terrible as there had been a death in the immediate family so we barely celebrated at all. This year should be better - tons of food, wine, movies and whiskey. I bought my brother an expensive bottle of Scotch which he'd better open!

    No need to bring religion into the equation - no one else seems to anyway.


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    #49
    lostexpectation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    Pagan does not mean non religous it means non Abrahamic.

    I knew when I wrote you'd be along to comment:) its a byword for non-religious... it mixes pre-christian with pre-religion as we know it.


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    #50
    pH
    Registered Users Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭pH


    Time to bring out the big guns - the bible quote!

    I wonder how many Christians will be putting trees up in their house this Christmas despite direct instructions from their LORD not to?
    Jeremiah 10 wrote:
    1 Hear what the LORD says to you, O house of Israel. 2 This is what the LORD says:
    "Do not learn the ways of the nations
    or be terrified by signs in the sky,
    though the nations are terrified by them.

    3 For the customs of the peoples are worthless;
    they cut a tree out of the forest,
    and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.

    4 They adorn it with silver and gold;
    they fasten it with hammer and nails
    so it will not totter.


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    #51
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    lostexpectation wrote: »
    I knew when I wrote you'd be along to comment:) its a byword for non-religious... it mixes pre-christian with pre-religion as we know it.

    I actually take offense at you saying that I am non religious.
    My religion is infact post christianity.


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    #52
    Dades
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    Thaedydal wrote: »
    I actually take offense at you saying that I am non religious.
    My religion is infact post christianity.
    I've just read your stickied post concerning "Paganism" in that forum, and it appears there is no defined accepted usage of the word. So isn't it a bit much to get offended by a misinterpretation of it?


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    #53
    monkeyfudge
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    Bleargh.... I walked into work today to find they've gone super overboard with the whole christmas thing... There is usually just a big tree tastfully decorated in the foyer. But this year there are massive signs saying "The Spirit of Christmas" all over the place...

    It all seems a little over the top for a building built with public money that is supposed to serve the entire community. It's home to both the local social welfare office and the FÁS office.

    Thanks for the music suggestions everyone... I'll be on the air from 11.30 until 14.00 on 90.3 fm in Dublin... it's also streamed live online as well...


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    #54
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    and ?

    Just because some pagans be they neo and meso are not religious does not mean all are.


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    #55
    estebancambias
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭estebancambias


    monkeyfudge wrote: »
    Bleargh.... I walked into work today to find they've gone super overboard with the whole christmas thing... There is usually just a big tree tastfully decorated in the foyer. But this year there are massive signs saying "The Spirit of Christmas" all over the place...

    It all seems a little over the top for a building built with public money that is supposed to serve the entire community. It's home to both the local social welfare office and the FÁS office.

    Thanks for the music suggestions everyone... I'll be on the air from 11.30 until 14.00 on 90.3 fm in Dublin... it's also streamed live online as well...

    Will you stop!!!! In what way does writing 'The Spirit of Christmas' have anything to do with infringing on the feelings of the 'entire community'?
    The spirit of christmas could be interpreted in many ways..but yeah I guess promoting good relations between other people through a Religious holiday is pretty damn offensive...moron.


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    #56
    Sangre
    Registered Users Posts: 12,169 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    why don't we just promote good will all year round? Why do we need religious overtunes? No matter how watered down they are....

    Christmas, probably the least Christian time of the year. A time of excess and materialism.


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    #57
    Schuhart
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭Schuhart


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    and ?

    Just because some pagans be they neo and meso are not religious does not mean all are.
    Do you ever feel you might be taking this whole religion thing a bit too seriously?


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    #58
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    estebancambias
    We'll let you away with an infraction for now, but blatant name-calling again and you'll find a ban gift-wrapped under your tree.


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    #59
    pH
    Registered Users Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭pH


    Borders have put a 'Christmas Card' with the text 'O Come all ye faithless' on copies of Dawkin's The God Delusion they're selling this Christmas.

    A controversial Christmas card reading “O come all ye faithless” has been strongly criticized by Christians as an “ill judged and insensitive joke.” Borders book stores began giving away the card free with every copy of Richard Dawkins’ well known atheist work, The God Delusion, this Christmas.

    He was supported by Justin Thacker, head of theology at the Evangelical Alliance, who said, “It won't surprise me if this spectacularly fails. Christmas still holds a high place in people's hearts - I think a lot of people will be offended by it."
    http://www.christianpost.com/article/20071217/30535_Borders_Tags_Atheist_Book_with_'O_Come_All_Ye_Faithless'_Cards.htm

    I know this is probably the wrong place to ask, but how is putting this on a book that's called 'The God Delusion' offensive? Yes it pays homage to the title of *one* carol but really, offensive? If we have any theists left who are offended I'd genuinely like to know what part of that you find offensive. Seriously.


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    #60
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    pH wrote: »
    I know this is probably the wrong place to ask, but how is putting this on a book that's called 'The God Delusion' offensive? Yes it pays homage to the title of *one* carol but really, offensive? If we have any theists left who are offended I'd genuinely like to know what part of that you find offensive. Seriously.
    Kneejerk reaction I suspect.
    Aaargh! A pun on a religious tune title! By ATHEISTS!


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    #61
    pH
    Registered Users Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭pH


    For fellow atheists who might be confused about Christmas ...

    http://www.isitchristmas.com/

    edited to add:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3076008.ece
    Here's a link to a Times article on what the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams thinks about 'myths' that Christians believe about Christmas. I think he makes a number of good points until we get to this:

    “The thing is, belief in Santa does not generate a moral code, it does not generate art, it does not generate imagination. Belief in God is a bit bigger than that,” the Archbishop said.

    Can he not see, or is he refusing to see? Surely belief in Santa is at its heart a moral code - "be good get toys, be bad - get nothing ... Santa's watching you!" That's a moral code, I fail to see how it's any different from "be good go to heaven".

    As for belief in Santa not generating art or imagination ... try being a kid.


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