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New Green Tax for motorists - threads merged

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    #92
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    C_Breeze the link you have is for everything currently on the roads up and until July 2008. All new car after that date will be rated on the new system while all cars registered before July 1 2008 will use the tradtional system. (I think!)

    Mike.


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    #93
    IRLConor
    Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    C_Breeze wrote: »
    what the heck is this?????? I though it was based on Co2 not engine sizes anymore.

    For a 1.9 for example it says there will be a 9.5% increase !! (€46) - how do they know this?????? surely not all 1.9 cars have exactly the same Co2 emissions?????

    Now im completely confused :confused:

    The VRT is based on CO2.

    The Motor Tax is based on engine size.


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    #94
    MitziAils
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16 ✭MitziAils


    What does it mean if you buy a 1.6 car in January 08?
    Do you pay €453.00 and then have to pay new higher figure depending on your emissions from January 09 or is it only for new cars purchased in July 08?


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    #95
    lynchie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭lynchie


    Riskymove wrote: »
    those increases are just for the first six months of 2008

    the new emmission based rates come in in July

    Wrong.. the new increases in motor tax are for all existing vehicles in the state up until July 08. After that, any new vehicles purchased or new / second hand vehicles imported into the state will be governed by the new tax system based on co2 emissions.


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    #96
    C_Breeze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭C_Breeze


    IRLConor wrote: »
    The VRT is based on CO2.

    The Motor Tax is based on engine size.

    What??

    I thought they are changing motor tax from engine size to be based on Co2 aswell ..

    whats this about then????

    Band A (under 120 grams per km) - €100.
    Band B (121-140 grams perkm) - €150.
    Band C (141-155 grams per km) - € 290.
    Band D (156-170 grams per km) - €430.
    Band E (171-190 grams per km) -€ 600.
    Band F (191-225 grams per km) - €1,000.
    Band G, the top band -€2,000, reflecting CO2 emissions of over 225grams per km.


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    #97
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    C_Breeze read what I and lynchie above said.

    Mike.


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    #98
    Riskymove
    Registered Users Posts: 10,888 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    lynchie wrote: »
    Wrong.. the new increases in motor tax are for all existing vehicles in the state up until July 08. After that, any new vehicles purchased or new / second hand vehicles imported into the state will be governed by the new tax system based on co2 emissions.

    actually I was right...I was talking about new cars:D


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    #99
    MarkN
    Registered Users Posts: 4,196 ✭✭✭MarkN


    C_Breeze wrote: »
    What??

    Band G, the top band -€2,000, reflecting CO2 emissions of over 225grams per km.[/B]

    I feel like vomiting. :mad:


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    #100
    quickstitch.ie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 110 ✭✭quickstitch.ie


    Does this apply to commercial vehicles as well?


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    #101
    Mayshine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 510 ✭✭✭Mayshine


    Wow, I'd be surprised if Honda ever sell another S2000 (my car) in this county again after July (tax goes from €530ish to €2000ish).

    I would imagine the same for many japanese 2.0 turbos.

    Sad day for affordable performance cars


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    #102
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    C_Breeze wrote: »
    What??

    I thought they are changing motor tax from engine size to be based on Co2 aswell ..


    they are, but only for vehicles bought or imported after July 1st next year.

    To simplify it:

    All cars bought before July 1st next year (including all current cars on the road) will be charged the revised Motor Tax rates announced yesterday from February next year, which are still based on engine size, It looks like they'll pay motor tax at this rate even after July (presumably until the EOL of the vehicle)

    All new/imported cars registered BEFORE July 2008 pay VRT under the current system.

    All new/imported cars registered AFTER July 2008 pay VRT under new C02 emissions system.

    All new/imported cars registered AFTER July 2008 pay Motor Tax based on the new emissions system.


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    #103
    C_Breeze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭C_Breeze


    mike65 wrote: »
    C_Breeze read what I and lynchie above said.

    Mike.


    Sorry mike , missed that.

    Ok i think i get it now. Sorry to be thick about it .. im just trying to find out how much i will have to pay and when i will have to start paying it??!!!

    any cahnce of some help .. its a mazda mx-3 V6 1845cc :o


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    #104
    C_Breeze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭C_Breeze


    Mayshine wrote: »
    Wow, I'd be surprised if Honda ever sell another S2000 (my car) in this county again after July (tax goes from €530ish to €2000ish).

    I would imagine the same for many japanese 2.0 turbos.

    Sad day for affordable performance cars

    Same with RX-8's .. which under C02 emissions would be taxed at €2,000 :eek: that's crazy .... along with rising oil / petrol prices and maitainance costs and insurance ... you can say goodbye to sports cars (unless seriosuly minted) and hello to diesels :(


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    #105
    Lizzykins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Lizzykins


    I just came across this thread and I must say thanks to everyone for all the info. Based on a link Ice Box put up my car and hubby's (same model and a year in age between them) come in at 165 which puts us in Band D. It won't mean any savings in motor tax- we were paying 391 each yearly-now goes up to either 428 or 430. What irritates me a bit is that he does about 10k miles per year and I do about 3.5k and I'll be paying the same as him!


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    #106
    C_Breeze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭C_Breeze


    phutyle wrote: »
    they are, but only for vehicles bought or imported after July 1st next year.

    To simplify it:

    All cars bought before July 1st next year (including all current cars on the road) will be charged the revised Motor Tax rates announced yesterday from February next year, which are still based on engine size, It looks like they'll pay motor tax at this rate even after July (presumably until the EOL of the vehicle)

    All new/imported cars registered BEFORE July 2008 pay VRT under the current system.

    All new/imported cars registered AFTER July 2008 pay VRT under new C02 emissions system.

    All new/imported cars registered AFTER July 2008 pay Motor Tax based on the new emissions system.


    Excellent thanks a lot!


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    #107
    Henry Ford III
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,712 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    A lot of confusion here I think.


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    #108
    Henry Ford III
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,712 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    JoeA3 wrote: »
    It will indeed. The Golf GTI for example is 189g/km, meaning it just about sneaks into the €600 per annum road tax, so much the same as the current system. Another couple of grams, and it would be a grand! I believe the Focus ST and Astra OPC would fall into that category.

    ST already costs c. €900 to tax.


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    #109
    JohnCleary
    Registered Users Posts: 10,210 ✭✭✭✭JohnCleary


    phutyle wrote: »
    they are, but only for vehicles bought or imported after July 1st next year.

    To simplify it:

    All cars bought before July 1st next year (including all current cars on the road) will be charged the revised Motor Tax rates announced yesterday from February next year, which are still based on engine size, It looks like they'll pay motor tax at this rate even after July (presumably until the EOL of the vehicle)

    All new/imported cars registered BEFORE July 2008 pay VRT under the current system.

    All new/imported cars registered AFTER July 2008 pay VRT under new C02 emissions system.

    All new/imported cars registered AFTER July 2008 pay Motor Tax based on the new emissions system.

    So let's say tomororw I bring in a 2003 320d. I tax and VRT it.
    Then in August 2008 my neighbour brings in a 2003 320d. He taxes and VRT's it. He's going to be paying different motor tax and VRT rates than me? That's crazy. I'd be paying double the motor tax for the EXACT same car!


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    #110
    hottstuff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 596 ✭✭✭hottstuff


    Mayshine wrote: »
    Wow, I'd be surprised if Honda ever sell another S2000 (my car) in this county again after July (tax goes from €530ish to €2000ish).

    I would imagine the same for many japanese 2.0 turbos.

    Sad day for affordable performance cars

    Agreed , although look at it this way , there is gonna be a big market for pre-2008 turbo imports etc.


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    #111
    Trotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,362 ✭✭✭Trotter


    Mailman wrote: »
    Aygo, C1, and 107 look like great value.
    VRT on them will go down.
    Motor Tax will go down
    and they always ran on a sniff of petrol.


    I'm already driving an Aygo.. does this mean that mine will go down to €100 a year from July?

    Or is it a case that because I already own the car (Its a 06) that I'm stuck on the old VRT rate?


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    #112
    martin1016
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88 ✭✭martin1016


    From www.motortax.ie The most up to date info they have is 2004 but will the same trends apply???

    Taxi - Flat rate per year.
    Government vehicles - exempt
    Commercial SUV???

    Has anyone found a clear definitive document outlining all the changes planned? I have read the thread and followed the links but has the official document been published yet?


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    #113
    MarkN
    Registered Users Posts: 4,196 ✭✭✭MarkN


    phutyle wrote: »
    they are, but only for vehicles bought or imported after July 1st next year.

    To simplify it:

    All cars bought before July 1st next year (including all current cars on the road) will be charged the revised Motor Tax rates announced yesterday from February next year, which are still based on engine size, It looks like they'll pay motor tax at this rate even after July (presumably until the EOL of the vehicle)

    All new/imported cars registered BEFORE July 2008 pay VRT under the current system.

    All new/imported cars registered AFTER July 2008 pay VRT under new C02 emissions system.

    All new/imported cars registered AFTER July 2008 pay Motor Tax based on the new emissions system.

    Phew ! So if you own a car registered before July 2008 you do not pay new emissions based tax?


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    #114
    hottstuff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 596 ✭✭✭hottstuff


    MarkN wrote: »
    Phew ! So if you own a car registered before July 2008 you do not pay new emissions based tax?

    No.
    you will just pay the new increased roadtax.


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    #115
    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    hottstuff wrote: »
    Agreed , although look at it this way , there is gonna be a big market for pre-2008 turbo imports etc.

    Careful - even pre-08 imports, imported after July 08, will be chargeable under the emissions rules. So an 01 Audi TT 225 will now cost you 2k p.a. to tax.

    Which is twice what my 968 now costs - who'd have thought ?!

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    #116
    hottstuff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 596 ✭✭✭hottstuff


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Careful - even pre-08 imports, imported after July 08, will be chargeable under the emissions rules. So an 01 Audi TT 225 will now cost you 2k p.a. to tax.

    Which is twice what my 968 now costs - who'd have thought ?!

    Of course , but if registered before july 2008 , it will be bargain hunters dream come true even at a reasonable high price to the seller.


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    #117
    martin1016
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88 ✭✭martin1016


    These are the published rates for Motortax - nothing to do with VRT - this seems to be confusing a few people. VRT is applied only when you register a car and get your number plates. Done by the dealer when bought new or by the individual when you import. It is a one time tax.

    Motortax 2008

    Lets all go buy commercial Mercedes ML, LandRover Discoveries, BMW X5 etc etc - annual road tax €273


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    #118
    hottstuff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 596 ✭✭✭hottstuff


    MarkN wrote: »
    No, I thought that too. It's ONLY on new cars you buy from next July.

    No it applies to ALL imports after July 2008 , not just NEW imports!!!!


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    #119
    RobAMerc
    Registered Users Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    oh!

    I just realized the new Tax rates are only for cars registered post 07/08?

    That means pre 08 high emissions cars may actually go up in value ! and therefore hang around longer as people try to keep high performance cars on the low(er) tax band.

    Its still a silly idea - Ireland does not have the clout to make the slightest bit of difference to the car makers - we'll all just end up driving small diesels ( they cause their own problems with pollution )


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    #120
    OTK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭OTK


    Gormley wrote:
    I should make it clear that these new measures apply to new cars and newly imported cars only with effect from 1st July 2008 and that cars registered before that date will continue to be taxed in future years under the existing system relating to cubic capacity engine sizes
    http://www.greenparty.ie/en/news/latest_news/gormley_delivers_carbon_budget

    Buy your high-emissions / low engine capacity turbo now and save on tax in the future.


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    #121
    trellheim
    Registered Users Posts: 5,926 ✭✭✭trellheim


    I drive an LS400 but only do < 5000 miles a year [ cycle or train to work ] ... but the guy who drives 40000 miles in a year pays less ... so no its not particularly logical.

    Some class of tax based on mileage might be useful.


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