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another question for athiests

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  • 06-12-2007 8:55pm
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    juanveron45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 496 ✭✭juanveron45


    Would ye be disapointed to find when ye die that ye were wrong


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    Fallen Seraph
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    I don't expect that many of us would look forward to an eternity of pain. I'd be rather disappointed at the prospect of that.


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    5uspect
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    I wouldn't be disappointed that I no longer ceased to exist after death
    The situation and possible deity that greeted me would probably influence my feelings somewhat.


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    condra
    Registered Users Posts: 3,849 ✭✭✭condra


    Juanveron, you haven't yet replied to your first thread, to rebuke or acknowledge the points that were made in reply to your question.
    juanveron45 wrote: »
    Would ye be disapointed to find when ye die that ye were wrong

    Depends on if I go to Heaven or Hell doesn't it?

    I'd be pretty p1ssed off to go to Hell, especially if my biggest sin was questioning and challenging authority, in the name of freedom, truth and justice for humanity.

    If I went to Heaven, I would be surprised, but not disappointed.


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    GhostInTheRuins
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    Not at all, I'd be delighted if there was an afterlife. Surely I'd get into heaven though? I can't see god having a grudge against me over a silly little misunderstanding :)


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    condra
    Registered Users Posts: 3,849 ✭✭✭condra


    Yeah, Im with Jesus on this one.


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    cavedave
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    Imagine a man comes up to you and says give me all your money or i will destroy you everyone you ever meet and a million more people. And you will spend eternity suffering in a lake of fire. There is a vanishingly small chance he has these powers and would do this. Would you hand over your money?

    If you did hand over all your money because everyone else did and you had been told from an early age that this man did have these powers. Would you be disappointed if i did not pay him and he was then shown not to have these powers?


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    5uspect
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    cavedave wrote: »
    Imagine a man comes up to you and says give me all your money or i will destroy you everyone you ever meet and a million more people. And you will spend eternity suffering in a lake of fire. There is a vanishingly small chance he has these powers and would do this. Would you hand over your money?

    If you did hand over all your money because everyone else did and you had been told from an early age that this man did have these powers. Would you be disappointed if i did not pay him and he was then shown not to have these powers?

    What would Hank do? ;)


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    Zillah
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    Would you be disappointed when Allah casts you into a dark place full of nightmares because your worshipped a false God?

    Would you be disappointed when you descended into the icy hells that the ancient Norse believed in?

    The list goes on and on. Modern Christianity is just one more religion in a long chain of crazy belief systems, each of which make mutually exclusive claims about what will happen when we die. You're not special.


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    condra
    Registered Users Posts: 3,849 ✭✭✭condra


    I guess juanveron45 is not going to reply to this one either...

    sigh.


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    Zombrex
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    juanveron45 wrote: »
    Would ye be disapointed to find when ye die that ye were wrong

    Depends on what I was wrong about?


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    Dave!
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    Would you be disappointed if you walked up to the pearly gates and Zeus was there? Somethin tells me he wouldn't be too pleased with you worshipping some other c*nt.


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    juanveron45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 496 ✭✭juanveron45


    Firstly most of ye either didnt read my question or mis interrpeted it I didnt mention god I said what if ye were to find ye were wrong that can mean any god you believe in ,even zeus.what i meant was on the whole existence of an afterlife whatever that may be, thats what the fundemental belief of athiest is also can you please explain poster what your trying to use the following analogy to show because forgive my ignorance I just dont get it
    Imagine a man comes up to you and says give me all your money or i will destroy you everyone you ever meet and a million more people. And you will spend eternity suffering in a lake of fire. There is a vanishingly small chance he has these powers and would do this. Would you hand over your money?

    If you did hand over all your money because everyone else did and you had been told from an early age that this man did have these powers. Would you be disappointed if i did not pay him and he was then shown not to have these powers?


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    aidan24326
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    Juanveron, whether I'd be disappointed on finding myself in an afterlife (i.e 'wrong') would obviously depend on what that afterlife was like.

    It's a pointless question anyway as we're not wrong ;)


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    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    can I take my 72 virgins now on credit?


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    Landyn Immense Cashew
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    what i meant was on the whole existence of an afterlife whatever that may be, thats what the fundemental belief of athiest is
    No, atheism is about gods, not an afterlife
    By definition of the word, like...


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    SubjectSean
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    cavedave wrote: »
    Imagine a man....... Would you be disappointed if i did not pay him and he was then shown not to have these powers?

    If you do not pay the imaginary man I will be heartbroken :confused:


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    cavedave
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    please explain poster what your trying to use the following analogy to show because forgive my ignorance I just dont get it

    There is an argument called Pascals Wager where because the costs of belief are so low compared to the possibly infinite costs of non belief it is argued you should believe in God.You can turn this around to Pascals Mugger where the costs of belief are low compared to the possibly infinite costs of non belief. If you would not pay a Pascals mugger who claims to have magic powers then you should not take Pascals Wager and believe in God "just in case" either.


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    humanji
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    Wicknight wrote: »
    Depends on what I was wrong about?
    The chick was actualy a dude!!!


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    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    bluewolf wrote: »
    No, atheism is about gods, not an afterlife
    By definition of the word, like...
    Exactly!

    juanveron45 - you have two options. Stop creating new threads and then virtually ignoring them, or begone from here.


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    GhostInTheRuins
    Registered Users Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭GhostInTheRuins


    womoma wrote: »
    Yeah, Im with Jesus on this one.

    That's one down, just eleven more to go ;)


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    18AD
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    juanveron45 wrote: »
    Would ye be disapointed to find when ye die that ye were wrong

    No way! I'd be happy to finally know the truth.

    Imagine all that the human race knows now. Imagine in 4 million years what we'll know (assuming we survive :p). I assume that any knowledge we have now will seem as primative as any ancient civilisation we know today.

    Nothing is true, all is permitted :D

    Peace.
    AD.


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    Zombrex
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    juanveron45 wrote: »
    Firstly most of ye either didnt read my question or mis interrpeted it I didnt mention god I said what if ye were to find ye were wrong that can mean any god you believe in ,even zeus.what i meant was on the whole existence of an afterlife whatever that may be, thats what the fundemental belief of athiest is also can you please explain poster what your trying to use the following analogy to show because forgive my ignorance I just dont get it

    As aidan24326 points out it is impossible to know if you would be disappointed if you don't know what happens instead.

    A magic genie appears, casts a teleportation spell on you, sends you some where that isn't Cornwall. Are you disappointed?


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    bogwalrus
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    If there is an after-life i can imagine what it would be like for us atheists. Two bouncers at the gates asking for ID and if we dont have our "good work done on earth stamps" we wont get in. Then there will be a huge play pen for all believers in christianity, islam etc as they will be far too young (in cosmological "common sense" terms) to get into the after-life due to the fact that they still believe in fairytales such as aladin, princess toad head and the bible.


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    stereoroid
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    If anything happens after I'm dead to this world, then (a) I'll need to modifiy my definition of what "dead" is, and (b) it will be a new adventure, whatever it is. The idea that we must say certain things in this world, or be punished in the "next world", is only one possibility, and a very old and narrow-minded one at that. See "Pascal's Wager" . :rolleyes:


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