Beat the bastards to it - the cars you need before July 08

galwaytt · 07-12-2007 12:03am #1

911 3.2
964
993
968
RX-8
Skyline(s)
Z350
TT

Get saving, guys......get them before they get you

colm_mcm · 07-12-2007 12:33am

I suppose, the money is just lying there.....

bazz26 · 07-12-2007 12:45am

Maybe though if you can afford to buy these type of cars in the first place you really don't give a toss what changes on the 1st July?

galwaytt · 07-12-2007 12:49am

bazz26 wrote: »

Maybe though if you can afford to buy these type of cars in the first place you really don't give a toss what changes on the 1st July?

maybe you have no objection to handing over cash to a bunch of brown-envelope grabbing power hungry phonies, but I do. I have a 968, and I paid less than the price of a (used) Focus for it, so your problem is, what, exactly ? The Taste Police?

colm_mcm · 07-12-2007 12:49am

And forget buying one in January with the intention of selling it in the Autumn for a profit. Dealers will proably pre-reg a load of cars with the same intention!

galwaytt · 07-12-2007 12:51am

Ha - good one. But you should know, right ?

bazz26 · 07-12-2007 1:13am

galwaytt wrote: »

maybe you have no objection to handing over cash to a bunch of brown-envelope grabbing power hungry phonies, but I do. I have a 968, and I paid less than the price of a (used) Focus for it, so your problem is, what, exactly ? The Taste Police?

Relax mate, I wasn't refering to you personally.

Maybe I took up your original post wrong but I was talking in general terms about people who can afford to buy these type of cars new probably aren't put out too much by what happens in July.

Mr.Boots · 07-12-2007 1:22am

Just how much are the listed cars increasing to???

maidhc · 07-12-2007 10:00am

Mr.Boots wrote: »

Just how much are the listed cars increasing to???

Nothing I think since they are definately not new. Old rules will apply.

galwaytt · 07-12-2007 10:08am

maidhc wrote: »

Nothing I think since they are definately not new. Old rules will apply.

They will increase to 2k/year tax after July 08.

Evil_Clown · 07-12-2007 10:25am

I was thinking there that maybe second hand high emission cars where the old tax rate will apply will really be worth money in a few years
with all these energiser bunnies flooding the market
Go gas guzzlers

EternalSunshine · 07-12-2007 10:39am

Yep your grandkids will cheers u for polluting the environment.

siralfalot · 07-12-2007 10:41am

so in say 2 years time, a 07 Impreza will be worth more than a 08 Impreza

pre 08 performance cars appreciating in value???

:D

feck it

principles must be upheld.

how about this little 8.85 litre runabout, complete with side exhausts, from vette magazine - idling out front around election time when the windmill enthusiasts come knocking ...

Car: '69 Corvette Coupe
Owner: Andy Felton
Block: Donovan D500 aluminum
Pistons: Mahle forged
Compression Ratio: 10.5:1
Crankshaft: Callies 4340 Dragonslayer
Rods: Eagle 4340 3D steel
Displacement: 540 ci
Heads: Dart Pro1 aluminum, 325 cc
Valves: 2.30/1.88-in severe-duty stainless
Camshaft: Comp custom street roller
Rocker Arms: Comp Pro Magnum, 1.7 ratio
Intake Manifold: Stock L88
Carburetor: BG Mighty Demon
Ignition: MSD Pro-Billet distributor, Blaster coil, & 6AL control
Exhaust System: 211/48-in Hooker headers, 4-in side pipes
Transmission: Tremec TKO five-speed
Clutch: McLeod Street Twin
Suspension: Tubular A-arms, composite mono springs, Bilstein shocks
RearEnd: Stock w/3.73 gears
Brakes: Stock four-wheel discs
Front Wheels: Intro Pentia 18x10
Rear Wheels: Intro Pentia 18x12
Front Tires: Michelin Pilot Sport 275/35-18
Rear Tires: Michelin Pilot Sport 335/30-18
Output (Flywheel): 713 hp @ 6,100 rpm, 589 lb-ft @ 4,600

Evil_Clown · 07-12-2007 11:05am

EternalSunshine wrote: »

Yep your grandkids will cheers u for polluting the environment.

Just like i'm still mad at my grandparents for the hole in the ozone layer

peasant · 07-12-2007 11:19am

Evil_Clown wrote: »

I was thinking there that maybe second hand high emission cars where the old tax rate will apply will really be worth money in a few years
with all these energiser bunnies flooding the market
Go gas guzzlers

I wouldn't be so sure about it ....

What's keeping the govmint from raising the old/current motor tax rate for anything above say 1600 cc year after year until your 2 liter car cost 2000 Euro as well and your 3 liter requires limb amputation ?

Cyrus · 07-12-2007 11:22am

im looking at a boxster s/350z or e46 m3, will def be doing it pre july with the upside being itll prob appreciate in value a little

Evil_Clown · 07-12-2007 11:26am

peasant wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure about it ....

What's keeping the govmint from raising the old/current motor tax rate for anything above say 1600 cc year after year until your 2 liter car cost 2000 Euro as well and your 3 liter requires limb amputation ?

Getting the Greens out of it

Lex Luthor · 07-12-2007 12:17pm

its all too confusing with all these new VRT/Tax rates....

can anyone simplify it a little?

TomMc · 07-12-2007 1:03pm

Lex Luthor wrote: »

its all too confusing with all these new VRT/Tax rates....

can anyone simplify it a little?

Buy/register a petrol between now and July 08, diesel only from then onwards or your ....

astraboy · 07-12-2007 1:12pm

EternalSunshine wrote: »

Yep your grandkids will cheers u for polluting the environment.

Get off your high horse. My grandkids will thank me for keeping some of the fun in life, driving an enjoyable car, alive. Go spout from your soapbox somewhere else hippy.

RobAMerc · 07-12-2007 1:23pm

bazz26 wrote: »

Maybe though if you can afford to buy these type of cars in the first place you really don't give a toss what changes on the 1st July?

I hate this attitude - its typical Irish begrudgery, "uh if you can afford to buy a 3 litre car then you can afford to run it."

Just because I would rather have a 20 year old 911, than bore myself to death every time I drive a Toyota Fridge magnet doesn't mean I can afford to pay 2k per annum road tax for the odd time I do use it.

bazz26 · 07-12-2007 1:51pm

RobAMerc wrote: »

I hate this attitude - its typical Irish begrudgery, "uh if you can afford to buy a 3 litre car then you can afford to run it."

Just because I would rather have a 20 year old 911, than bore myself to death every time I drive a Toyota Fridge magnet doesn't mean I can afford to pay 2k per annum road tax for the odd time I do use it.

Read my later response. You have taken me up wrong.

What I was saying is that to alot of poeple who buy these expensive cars brand new simply may not be too interested in what happens next July. These high end cars will more than likely still be bought by the same people. The running costs are immaterial to most of these people. Second hand ones are a different matter.

PS I could not care less whether anyone drives a fridge, exotic car, bus, whatever for that matter. And I certainly don't feel the need for it to be the eleviation of bordom in my life. A car simply isn't the centre of my world.

Mitch Connor · 07-12-2007 1:58pm

RobAMerc wrote: »

I hate this attitude - its typical Irish begrudgery, "uh if you can afford to buy a 3 litre car then you can afford to run it."

Just because I would rather have a 20 year old 911, than bore myself to death every time I drive a Toyota Fridge magnet doesn't mean I can afford to pay 2k per annum road tax for the odd time I do use it.

isn't the tax you pay on your 20yo 911 going to stay the same? or close enough to it? (11.5% increase max?)

Traumadoc · 07-12-2007 2:06pm

I drive a 2005bmw 530 d ( emmissions 170 g )my tax will be 1200 euro so I will be able to buy a MORE polluting car in 2008 and pay less tax. FUBAR

RobAMerc · 07-12-2007 2:06pm

bazz26 wrote: »

Read my later response. You have taken me up wrong.

No - I dont think I did.
Even if I could afford 200k for a 911 - I still would have major issue with paying 2k for using it on our roads - and would never buy a car without seriously considering the running costs. Rich people aren't rich because the p*ss their cash away.
Your statement still smacks of begrudgery.

bazz26 wrote: »

PS I could not care less whether anyone drives a fridge, exotic car, bus, whatever for that matter. And I certainly don't feel the need for it to be the eleviation of bordom in my life. A car simply isn't the centre of my world.

I am missing your point here - what is it ?

Tauren wrote: »

isn't the tax you pay on your 20yo 911 going to stay the same? or close enough to it? (11.5% increase max?)

Yea - but its still close enough to 2k - but people will still say "if you can afford to buy a Porsche then you can afford to run it." - It simply isn't always true.

SEPT 23 1989 · 07-12-2007 2:09pm

Why Must One Minority Section Of Society Keep Telling The Majority How They Must Conduct Their Lives What Gives Them The Right?

The Pubs Have Been Killed Off,smokers Are Treated Like Leppers And Now These Bed Wetting Middle Class Irish Times Reading Lefty Pinko's Who Would Not Have The Balls To Get Behind The Wheel Of A Gas Guzzler Are Trying To Bully And Shame People Out Of Owning And Running A Nice Car

We All Dont Want To Cycle A Bike In Our Sandles Taking Shots Of
Wheet Grass Juice Be-moaning The Failures Of The Lower Classes

As Another Poster Said Will Our Grandchildren Thank Us When The Fun Chance And Risk Has Been Sucked Dry From Our Lives

JHMEG · 07-12-2007 2:14pm

RobAMerc wrote: »

Just because I would rather have a 20 year old 911, than bore myself to death every time I drive a Toyota Fridge magnet

Some people are happy with their Toyota fridge magnets as you call them. I presume you are dragging other cars down in an effort to make your own look better?

Can't people big up their car on the merits of the car itself? Why bring other cars that have clearly different purposes into it?

Mitch Connor · 07-12-2007 2:17pm

RobAMerc wrote: »

Yea - but its still close enough to 2k - but people will still say "if you can afford to buy a Porsche then you can afford to run it." - It simply isn't always true.

But why buy a car you can't afford to run?

I wanted to buy a new (well, second hand car) in september - but when i did the sums it turned out it would be a bit of a squeeze to pay for it; i couldn't quite afford it, so i did not buy it.

I simply don't get why you would buy, and keep a car you can't afford. Has the tax increased that much since you bought it? Not having a go, a genuine question.

bazz26 · 07-12-2007 2:21pm

RobAMerc wrote: »

Your statement still smacks of begrudgery.

Sorry but it was not my intention. I hate paying through my teeth for the privilage of driving the same as the next person.

RobAMerc wrote: »

I am missing your point here - what is it ?

Sounds like you were having a little go at people who drive cars that appear ordinary or mundane to yourself but maybe not to others. Did I take you up wrong?

RobAMerc · 07-12-2007 2:47pm

JHMEG wrote: »

Some people are happy with their Toyota fridge magnets as you call them. I presume you are dragging other cars down in an effort to make your own look better?

Can't people big up their car on the merits of the car itself? Why bring other cars that have clearly different purposes into it?

I don't need to make any car look crap to make mine look better, remember we are on a motoring forum where posters are presumed to be enthusiasts,(And anyone who was would take a porsche compared to any toyota) my point is just because I don't want to drive the newest but mundane car available doesn't mean I should pay through the nose for it.

Tauren wrote: »

But why buy a car you can't afford to run?

I wanted to buy a new (well, second hand car) in September - but when i did the sums it turned out it would be a bit of a squeeze to pay for it; i couldn't quite afford it, so i did not buy it.

I simply don't get why you would buy, and keep a car you can't afford. Has the tax increased that much since you bought it? Not having a go, a genuine question.

I don't own a 911 by the way - but if I did would it be fair I paid almost 2k per annum to keep it on the road? circumstances change (increasing costs), big engined cars are not an easy car to sell maybe I couldn't afford to buy something else? maybe I miscalculated the actual costs of ownership. my point is statements like - "if you can afford to ......" are not always true and are generally tossed out by begrudging people jealous of others.

bazz26 wrote: »

Sorry but it was not my intention. I hate paying through my teeth for the privilage of driving the same as the next person.
Sounds like you were having a little go at people who drive cars that appear ordinary or mundane to yourself but maybe not to others. Did I take you up wrong?

Sorry, no I wasn't, I was saying that just because I would rather drive a car I want to have rather than something I did not does not mean I can automatically afford to pay 2k per annum road tax compared to them.

TomMc · 07-12-2007 2:59pm

Bazz26, all the tax should be put on fuel only so whoever drives the greatest distances and in the highest polluting vehicles pay the most. Scrap road tax and vrt. The new system is typical of Gormley and his green bandits - it is wishy-washy.

Have a look at UK rates and weep

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524

Beat the bastards to it - the cars you need before July 08

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