lap dancing club

Plug

I'd say they are after having a run in with the blue nun again:rolleyes:

Nightwish

I drove past at about 9pm and there were about 6 protestors. They looked fairly harmless. I cant imagine why the cops were called.

Our man in Havana

Were they roaring and shouting? Possible breach of the peace.

Firetrap

I haven't heard anything about the club since it opened. There's probably sweet feck all lapdancing going on in there.

Nightwish

Bond-007 wrote: »

Were they roaring and shouting? Possible breach of the peace.

They were standing against the Widows holding pictures of religious icons. They were middle aged and old people, so they were being pious and very quiet.

zootroid

They were still obstructing people from going inside. I wouldn't blame the club from calling the guards. (That's if they did).

Firetrap

Well, it is a bit narrow down that part of town so it wouldn't be hard to obstruct anyone, let alone potential lapdancing customers. Does anyone know how the club is doing? Are there many people going in there?

twofoot6

zootroid wrote: »

They were still obstructing people from going inside. I wouldn't blame the club from calling the guards. (That's if they did).[/quote

lap dancing clubs should never have been legalised in this country in the first place

zootroid

twofoot6 wrote: »

zootroid wrote: »

They were still obstructing people from going inside. I wouldn't blame the club from calling the guards. (That's if they did).

lap dancing clubs should never have been legalised in this country in the first place

Why do you say that?

30txsbzmcu2k9w

I wish these type of people (the protestors) would hurry up and die off to be honest. Their the same kinda fcukwits that voted fianna fail back in and wanted pubs in the city closed at half one. Kilkenny has ridiculous potential to make alot of money and this lot are doing their best to send us back to the dark ages.

Plug

Conrad Black Volcano wrote: »

I wish these type of people (the protestors) would hurry up and die off to be honest. Their the same kinda fcukwits that voted fianna fail back in and wanted pubs in the city closed at half one. Kilkenny has ridiculous potential to make alot of money and this lot are doing their best to send us back to the dark ages.

I wouldn't think they have long left anyway.

twofoot6

zootroid wrote: »

Why do you say that?

...because lap dancing is linked to prostitution and human trafficking and beacause of this fact, organisations such as Ruhama, and political parties such as Labour, are currently trying to curb the opening of lap dancing clubs in Ireland.

The legalisation of lap dancing clubs in Ireland is sending out a message to men and women that it is ok to objectify women and view women and sex as a commodity.

twofoot6

Conrad Black Volcano wrote: »

I wish these type of people (the protestors) would hurry up and die off to be honest. Their the same kinda fcukwits that voted fianna fail back in and wanted pubs in the city closed at half one. Kilkenny has ridiculous potential to make alot of money and this lot are doing their best to send us back to the dark ages.

I'm one of 'these type of people' and as I am in my early 30's, I hopefully won't be dying any day soon. I certaintly wouldn't vote Fianna Fail, I can't imagine Fianna Fail objecting to lap dancing clubs because they are a business that makes money. With your attitudes I'm surprised you don't vote Fianna Fail?! I'd rather vote Labour or The Greens, because from what I know, they are the only political parties that have come out against the opening of lap dancing clubs.

I have to say your comments are more fitting with the 'dark ages'. There is nothing progressive about lap dancing clubs. The opening up of these clubs has set men & women back at least twenty years.

ztoical

twofoot6 wrote: »

sending out a message to men and women that it is ok to objectify women and view women and sex as a commodity.

Most main stream advertising, movies, television etc etc already do that and are far worse as it's alot harder to escape those - at least with the lap dancing club you don't have to go into it if you don't want to.

twofoot6

ztoical wrote: »

Most main stream advertising, movies, television etc etc already do that and are far worse as it's alot harder to escape those - at least with the lap dancing club you don't have to go into it if you don't want to.

I agree with you in that we are bombarded by the media on a daily basis with images of sex, and so it is difficult for people not to view sex as a commodity...sadly, this is probably why, lap dancing as a form of entertainment, has become acceptable. Unfortunately, by people choosing to go into these clubs they are allowing the club owners to continue to exploit vulnerable women. I think it is downright selfish and hedonistic of any man/woman to support these clubs.

zootroid

Actually, I think it's the men who are being exploited. It's the men who are left out of pocket while the women earn a fortune!

But in all seriousness, you spoke about how "lap dancing is linked to prostitution and human trafficking", well surely that's a matter of stronger legislation and enforcement? And regardless of whether lap dancing clubs are banned or not, prostitution and human trafficking will occur anyway. There were brothels in Kilkenny long before there was a lap dancing club.

To borrow a quote from Bill Hicks: "Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I ****, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?"

The point being, if women want to work in a lap dancing club, and men want to go to lap dancing clubs, who are you to say that they should be banned?

By the way, I just want to say that I have no interest in going to a lap dancing club, it just annoys me when people want to stop something from happening just because it goes against their own personal beliefs. If you don't like the idea of a lap dancing club, just don't go!

Oh, and I disagree with the location as well.

ztoical

zootroid wrote: »

By the way, I just want to say that I have no interest in going to a lap dancing club, it just annoys me when people want to stop something from happening just because it goes against their own personal beliefs. If you don't like the idea of a lap dancing club, just don't go!

Oh, and I disagree with the location as well.

+ 1 I couldn't care less about the place, no intention of ever going but firstly I do think it was opened in the town to exploit the stag parties that come here at weekends so would have been better off somewhere on john's street and second I just hate when people start talking about banning something - were do you draw the line at whats ok and whats not? should we ban sex shops too? All movies rated over 18's? etc etc You might say "O it won't go that far" but how do you know? I think the images of skinny models/actresses do far more damage to the women of this country then lap dancing clubs and they are far worse while most people wouldn't consider going to lap dancing club regularly [for most its a once off stag party thing] the images in ads and on television are presented to us every single day as being "normal"

As already stated the practice of prostitution and human trafficking have been around before lap dancing clubs and if the clubs were banned they would still be around. Better background checks need to be done on people coming into the country, on those opening the clubs and also better services for those women, who escape from situations where they are forced to have sex, need to be on hand - alot of women end up back with the people who kidnapped them from their countries because the state doesn't help them when they come forward.

Prostitution that is legalised, monitored, and properly enforced would actually reduced alot of the issues with women being trafficed for sex and would also help enforce safe sex [a number of asian countries have reduced their HIV numbers by enforcing tough laws on the legal prostitutes to use condoms]

Stephen

^^ that would also take them out of the hands of pimps.

Cabaal

zootroid wrote: »

To borrow a quote from Bill Hicks: "Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I ****, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?"

By this logic we should make all drugs legal because they don't affect other people :rolleyes:

The fact is that lap dancing clubs ARE linked to prostitution and human trafficking and as such it affects other people, as does drink and drugs because it affects familys and relationships

Nobody is an island and everybody is linked so many different things affect and harm others in the world,

ztoical

Cabaal wrote: »

By this logic we should make all drugs legal because they don't affect other people :rolleyes:

Its has been argued that legalizing drugs would remove/cut down drastically alot of the crime associated with them and make it easier to treat addicts as they would be quicker to come forward for help thus lessening the impact of drugs on the general population. Also less likely to find drugs cut with rat poison if there's quality control

Cabaal wrote: »

The fact is that lap dancing clubs ARE linked to prostitution and human trafficking and as such it affects other people, as does drink and drugs because it affects familys and relationships

The fact is SOME lap dancing clubs have linked not ALL. As already stated an out right ban on all lap dancing clubs would not make prostitution and human trafficking go away, these thing exists with or without the clubs. Stricter laws over the opening and running of the clubs is what is needed along with better background checks on the people running them, not just whose name is on the contract as you can get anyone with a clean record to be listed as owner, you need to check all the staff and the girls working there.

And even bringing in ban you would need to introduce other measures as well, like the afore mentioned service for women who escape from the traffickers - at the moment there is feck all help for any of them in this country except from voluntary groups - alot are treated like criminals when they come forward as most times they came into the country illegally, the fact that they were forced to come is not taken into consideration.

MsFifers

From an article in today's Guardian:

... a report by the Lilith Project, run by the charity Eaves Housing, which looked at lap-dancing in Camden Town, north London, found that in the three years before and after the opening of four large lap-dancing clubs in the area, incidents of rape in Camden rose by 50%, while sexual assault rose by 57%.

http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/women/story/0,,2266504,00.html

ztoical

MsFifers wrote: »

From an article in today's Guardian:

... a report by the Lilith Project, run by the charity Eaves Housing, which looked at lap-dancing in Camden Town, north London, found that in the three years before and after the opening of four large lap-dancing clubs in the area, incidents of rape in Camden rose by 50%, while sexual assault rose by 57%.

http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/women/story/0,,2266504,00.html

notice the Lilith Project don't look for an out right ban but are "calling for tighter controls"

Again can I stress I don't support lap dancing clubs and have no intention to ever go to one but I don't agree with the calls for out right bans as I don't think that will solve any of the issues people are harping on about just drive them more underground. Statistics are pretty meaningless without all the factors - the overall crime rate of the area, the poverty level in the area, the level of the police presences. To say the rape cases rose by 50% doesn't mean there were 50% more rape cases but that 50% more were reported. You have to remember the number of rapes cases was always low because alot of women wouldn't report them. Support groups are now helping more women come forward so statistically it would read there being more rapes. Also 50% of what - I'd rather have numbers if there was one rape and then the next year there was two Statistically that would a big jump but if there was 100 and the next year there was 110 - not as big a Statistic jump but much more disturbing number.

Also I'm sorry but the woman they interview, Elena, I have no sympathy for, she has no self confidence at all, she admits to staying in the job not because she makes lots of money which she doesn't, or that it makes her feel good about herself which it doesn't, but because of "other people's perceptions of it. "The reality didn't matter as long as I could pretend [to myself] that other people thought it was interesting, glamorous or sexy." So cus other people think her job is cool she stays?

I got abuse when I worked retail, got called names, had some really awful men call me honey and ask when I got off work - its not something exclusive to lap dancing clubs- prob happens more often there but banning them will not turn every man in the country into Mr Rodgers. And she talks about the management of the club taking money off her for ever little thing - rather then banning clubs there needs to be better laws including labour laws - if all the dancers were in a union they wouldn't be taken advantage of.

little nell

its a pity the protesters didnt see fit to protest outside the schools and churches about the "imoral" carry on that took place in the "house of god" no like all the cowards they hid behind their plackards :(:(:(:(

Purry Cat

Sorry, but what's "cowardly" about demonstrating with placards?

Plug

Purry Cat wrote: »

Sorry, but what's "cowardly" about demonstrating with placards?

He was on about the people behind the placards.
Priests and nuns, sanctimonious scumbags, made my life a misery.
IM HENRY SELLERS!

little nell

thanks for clearing that up for me plug,yes i was refering to "the cowards"who knew what you and a lot more children (note i say children ,because those cowards would never try that on a man or woman)were going through but they were too cowardly to admit they knew. they dont see the dominos affect their abuse have on the victims.so i say let them take their plackcards and start where they should have protested first. what do they oh yea "people in glass houses cant throw stones" now, glad to get that off the chest, but i could go on go on go on:):):):):)