Cowboy Gardai

nesf

Archytas wrote: »

I normally stear well clear of this hell hole that boards calls "After Hours"... but an 8 page thread?

Thanks for gracing us with your dignified presence. I hope none of the commoner's muck stains your intellectual cloak. Etc.

Kernel

david1two3 wrote: »

So quite plainly you advocate police violence, shame on you and dont bother trying to wriggle out of this one, people like you disgust me. The idea that you can hit someone because you are wise beyond your years and they are not old enough to watch you star in your first failed porn movie is so backward and stoneage as to be almost laughable if it wasnt so serious.

Shame on you trying to advocate pornography. Don't try and wriggle out of this one. People like you disgust me. Ted Bundy claimed porn drove him to kill, and here you are trying to suggest that we all star in porn movies, as if it's acceptable in society! tsk tsk

TheNog

david1two3 wrote: »

So quite plainly you advocate police violence, shame on you and dont bother trying to wriggle out of this one, people like you disgust me. As for my other points ,you obviously dont know how cops are pursuaded or not by the power they percieve others to hold. The man was a viloent thug and you by your comments ally yourself with his behaviour and to finish you off there was no slap mentioned, it was a truncheon. The idea that you can hit someone because you are wise beyond your years and they are not old enough to watch you star in your first failed porn movie is so backward and stoneage as to be almost laughable if it wasnt so serious.

When I was 15 I didn't give cheek to anyone older than me and that's called respect. If my dad thought I stepped out of line, I got a slap for myself and I didn't turn too bad at all.

There are too many young fellas and girls think they can say what they like to anyone and get away with it. Put that with drink or drugs and this is why there are so many public order problems all over the country involving young people. They have no respect which you portrayed in your message or are you going to say that you didn't say or do anything to get that slap.

I am not a great advocate of violence but I do know that sometimes violence has to be met with some small amount violence by our gardai. Take a look around you at the weekend and you will see.

minidazzler

salonfire wrote: »

It's corruption. I know of a garda getting into a high profile concert just by flashing their warrent card. How would people feel if politicians start accepting these perks? Probably be tribunals set up....

ya so??? I work at lots of concerts and stuff and we let guards (on and off duty) in for free because its always good to have a few gardai about if security accidentally hurt someone then the guards are proof of that.

They do a dangerous job so who cares what little trivial perks they get in their downtime???

Terry

Ask yourself this: Does it affect your day to day life?

If not, then why the fúck should you care if a cop gets a free cup of coffee?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

because I should be getting that free cup of coffee!

Terry

Off to Templemore with you then.

utick

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0101/rta.html

another garda incident last night

eroo

utick wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0101/rta.html

another garda incident last night

that has **** all to do with this thread...now your just Garda bashing.Stay on topic....Oh wait,that is the topic!;)

Terry

utick wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0101/rta.html

another garda incident last night

Jesus. They deliberately knocked down someone. The bastards.

utick

i never said they were going around looking for people to run over, but some hate the cops so much they will make it look like it was on purpose

eroo

you didn't make that very clear now did you?

mobby

utick wrote: »

i never said they were going around looking for people to run over, but some hate the cops so much they will make it look like it was on purpose

knird evol

ok we're progeressing nicely here. where are we at now
the irish police force get
1. free coffee
2. killed a guy in a cell for absolutely no reason.
3. ran a guy over for absolutely no reason.
4. eliminated dinasaurs from the earth paving the way for mammal domination
5. at some point prosecuted the people posting on this thread.

hands up, who has authority issues

pirelli

TheNog wrote: »

When I was 15 I didn't give cheek to anyone older than me and that's called respect. QUOTE]

Kernel wrote: »

Shame on you trying to advocate pornography. Don't try and wriggle out of this one. People like you disgust me. Ted Bundy claimed porn drove him to kill, and here you are trying to suggest that we all star in porn movies, as if it's acceptable in society! tsk tsk

I thought that a Garda formerly of waterford was found guilty of amateurish behaviour involving a phonebox and a bra and i think that Davind1two3 was explaining he wasnt old enough to view the ugly secne unfold in the media.


Psst is that u.

MajorMax

jetsonx wrote: »

to give you another example:

I was in Dublin City Centre two weeks ago - patrol car parked outside an
Abrakebabra. Then out comes one of the lads with two bags of food. He hops in the passenger seat, car pulls off the footpath and the driver puts blue lights on straight away. Now either one of two things happened a) they got an emergency call just there OR b) they were putting the lights on to get back to the station quicker and stuff themselves.

If it was incident "b" - it it really really annoying that they are harassing the general public everyday for petty things BUT when its comes to obeying the rules of their own organisation - they just flagrantly flout them.

Every time I see a Garda car with it's blues on I know that their chips must be getting cold. I was brought up to respect Gardai but exposure to Guards has led me to despise them, I have never been arrested but have had a lot of dealings with plenty of cops

colly10

Ye they get a few perks and id say the flashing lights in traffic have flock all to do with an emergency most of the time but still why would you envy them, the hours alone are bad enough to not want the job.
Its fair enough offering them free breakfast rolls or whatever cause it gets them over to your shop more often. Take Texeco in Lucan for example, ye'd want to be nuts to try rob it cause they live there

Ross_Mahon

All gardai get something free, they help places out that are full of trouble makers, the least they can do is give the gardai some food and coffee.

ejmaztec

People wouldn't be complaining if we all had free uniforms, free cars and free flashing blue lights. How's about it Bertie?:cool:

Eru

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

He doesn't really head to nightclubs that often any more but he definitely never pays into Coppers and has gotten in free elsewhere. I'm sure he has paid into many places though.

The free coffee and the train part are 100% true, I give you my word on that.

As a serving Garda do I not have a right to choose where I buy my lunch? And as such am I not entitled to use a premises that chooses to gove me a discount? The benefit to the premises is that while I buy said lunch I am physically in the premises. It has nothing to do with getting a better response when you call for help, its about having the physical presence of Gardai when they make said purchase.

Oh and dont forget that Gardai actually have to feed prisoners as well so the majority of times you see a Garda walking without paying is because its for a prisoner and the state has a tab with the premises.

As for clubs, Coppers is owned by ex Gardai and therefore they offer their former colleagues free entry while any other premises that does it has the advantage of knowing that your a Garda and can call on you should there be trouble. Its the same for bus drivers, any problems and they get you to deal with it. In exchange for my free travel I am essentially going back on duty for the duration of my travel.

Off duty Gardai get involved in arrests and detaining people all the time. Besides all that, if its so great being a Garda then sign up!

passive

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

As a serving Garda do I not have a right to choose where I buy my lunch? And as such am I not entitled to use a premises that chooses to gove me a discount? The benefit to the premises is that while I buy said lunch I am physically in the premises. It has nothing to do with getting a better response when you call for help, its about having the physical presence of Gardai when they make said purchase.

Oh and dont forget that Gardai actually have to feed prisoners as well so the majority of times you see a Garda walking without paying is because its for a prisoner and the state has a tab with the premises.

As for clubs, Coppers is owned by ex Gardai and therefore they offer their former colleagues free entry while any other premises that does it has the advantage of knowing that your a Garda and can call on you should there be trouble. Its the same for bus drivers, any problems and they get you to deal with it. In exchange for my free travel I am essentially going back on duty for the duration of my travel.

Off duty Gardai get involved in arrests and detaining people all the time. Besides all that, if its so great being a Garda then sign up!

Excellent and well made points, I'm with you. (I can't quite bring myself to just say QFT or +1)

(Edit; Digging up 2 month old threads makes you lose my support, bad Garda! :P)

Captain Darling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHpFfgCiagE

Sherifu

Mmmmm, doughnuts.

Xavi6

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Oh and dont forget that Gardai actually have to feed prisoners as well so the majority of times you see a Garda walking without paying is because its for a prisoner and the state has a tab with the premises.

Garda - "Can I've a quarter pounder with cheese, a battered sausage, chips and a bottle of coke please."

Mr. Macari - "Certainly. That'll be €11.20 please."

Garda - "Oh no just stick it on the state's tab there."

Mr. Macari - "Ahhhh another 'prisoner meal' eh?! *wink wink, nudge nudge."

taidghbaby

Conversation Last night.....

Garda Friend: "Why dont you come up to my house for a few beers before we head out tonight?"

Me: "Yeah sure, will I get you a few cans?"

Garda Friend: "Nah its ok I got some in work today"

Me: "Got some in work??" a couple of seconds later I realise theres a few youngsters in Dublin goin without their cider last night!!

MrJoeSoap

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

As a serving Garda do I not have a right to choose where I buy my lunch? And as such am I not entitled to use a premises that chooses to gove me a discount? The benefit to the premises is that while I buy said lunch I am physically in the premises. It has nothing to do with getting a better response when you call for help, its about having the physical presence of Gardai when they make said purchase.

And you know this how? I was told, in the shop I worked in, to always give the Gardai an item or two gratis, in case there was ever an emergency that needed a quick response.

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Oh and dont forget that Gardai actually have to feed prisoners as well so the majority of times you see a Garda walking without paying is because its for a prisoner and the state has a tab with the premises.

As for clubs, Coppers is owned by ex Gardai and therefore they offer their former colleagues free entry while any other premises that does it has the advantage of knowing that your a Garda and can call on you should there be trouble. Its the same for bus drivers, any problems and they get you to deal with it. In exchange for my free travel I am essentially going back on duty for the duration of my travel.

Off duty Gardai get involved in arrests and detaining people all the time. Besides all that, if its so great being a Garda then sign up!

I'm not exactly certain why you quoted my post, I was merely clarifying something and didn't offer an opinion on it.

Dennis the Stone

I'd just like to give everyone a heads up. If you get stopped in Rathmines by Brian from the Sex Cops division, DO NOT perform oral sex on him. He is not a member of the Gardaí. His badge is just a print out from the garda website pasted on to an ATM card. I don't think I'll ever wash the taste of failure out of my mouth.

MrJoeSoap

Tago Mago wrote: »

I'd just like to give everyone a heads up. If you get stopped in Rathmines by Brian from the Sex Cops division, DO NOT perform oral sex on him. He is not a member of the Gardaí. His badge is just a print out from the garda website pasted on to an ATM card. I don't think I'll ever wash the taste of failure out of my mouth.

I'll second that.

invincibleirish

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

As a serving Garda do I not have a right to choose where I buy my lunch? And as such am I not entitled to use a premises that chooses to gove me a discount? The benefit to the premises is that while I buy said lunch I am physically in the premises. It has nothing to do with getting a better response when you call for help, its about having the physical presence of Gardai when they make said purchase.

Oh and dont forget that Gardai actually have to feed prisoners as well so the majority of times you see a Garda walking without paying is because its for a prisoner and the state has a tab with the premises.

As for clubs, Coppers is owned by ex Gardai and therefore they offer their former colleagues free entry while any other premises that does it has the advantage of knowing that your a Garda and can call on you should there be trouble. Its the same for bus drivers, any problems and they get you to deal with it. In exchange for my free travel I am essentially going back on duty for the duration of my travel.

Off duty Gardai get involved in arrests and detaining people all the time. Besides all that, if its so great being a Garda then sign up!

So in essence your offering 'protection' in exchange for goods/services/privileges received, good stuff glad to know, what a shame the Gardai arent paid enough to not be able to afford to buy lunch whilst on duty.

passive

invincibleirish wrote: »

So in essence your offering 'protection' in exchange for goods/services/privileges received, good stuff glad to know, what a shame the Gardai arent paid enough to not be able to afford to buy lunch whilst on duty.

So would you say you just didn't read what he said, or you *really, really* didn't read what he said? Just looking for your opinion... I'm torn between the two myself.

(not that it would make any difference if you had read it... Your strongly painted anti-garda colours shine through pretty strongly, the thread is irrelevant.)

invincibleirish

What? i read that the Garda in question receives benefits in the line of his duties.

Strongly painted anti gardai views? get off your high horse.

passive

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

As a serving Garda do I not have a right to choose where I buy my lunch? And as such am I not entitled to use a premises that chooses to gove me a discount? The benefit to the premises is that while I buy said lunch I am physically in the premises. It has nothing to do with getting a better response when you call for help, its about having the physical presence of Gardai when they make said purchase.

Oh and dont forget that Gardai actually have to feed prisoners as well so the majority of times you see a Garda walking without paying is because its for a prisoner and the state has a tab with the premises.

As for clubs, Coppers is owned by ex Gardai and therefore they offer their former colleagues free entry while any other premises that does it has the advantage of knowing that your a Garda and can call on you should there be trouble. Its the same for bus drivers, any problems and they get you to deal with it. In exchange for my free travel I am essentially going back on duty for the duration of my travel.

Off duty Gardai get involved in arrests and detaining people all the time. Besides all that, if its so great being a Garda then sign up!

invincibleirish wrote: »

So in essence your offering 'protection' in exchange for goods/services/privileges received, good stuff glad to know

You ignored his explanation of the nature of the benefits received and the not so sinister nature of his potential help offered, then just gave a preprepared and irrelevant tabloid style criticism.

I'm sure bus drivers would gladly give free travel to anybody they knew for a fact would get up out of their seat and deal with knackers smoking down the back or junkies yelling abuse at people. A garda presence on board is a guarantee that someone will deal with that, and not charging is simply a sign of goodwill.

The garda isn't offering protection, he's obliged to intervene anyway, or at least very much inclined to. Shopowners and service providers are just showing their appreciation for this potential assistance, in addition to the official help they receive from the Gardai in general, in a small and insignificant way.

What? i read that the Garda in question receives benefits in the line of his duties.

And? well? Explain why that's wrong, why his explanation isn't good enough, in what way this constitutes twisted and evil corruption, rather than a harmless sign of appreciation and community spirit? Or else STFU and stop being a begrudger.

invincibleirish

I am uncomfortable with the notion a public servant receives benefits in such a manner. that doesnt make me a begrudger. I dislike the idea that when a garda is on the beat he visits particular establishments where he receives gratitude. Also should Bus Drivers not charge fare, are they not obliged to do so. i dislike the idea that if you charge Gardai instead of giving out freebies then they are just going to frequent the shop down the road where freebies are offered.

Captain Darling

Remind me to post on this tomorrow. I'd a bad experience with a jerk ass, badge waving (off duty) garda and a taxi. Too p1ssed to socially document it. Welcome to gimpsville. Population: Me.

kaizersoze1980

Infononymous wrote: »

Remind me to post on this tomorrow. I'd a bad experience with a jerk ass, badge waving (off duty) garda and a taxi. Too p1ssed to socially document it. Welcome to gimpsville. Population: Me.

by all means tell your story now that you have sobered up !

AckwelFoley

I worked as a bouncer for a while in a night club.

For some reason, young off duty gardai felt the need to show us their badge at the door.

I remember on one occasion we were clearing the night club, it was getting after the legal closing time and one of our bouncers asked a group of guys to move to the fromt door, we were trying to clear up.

Then one of the Group, a guy about 26, says "its ok, im a garda".. the bouncer replies.. "good for you, now move to the front door please" - the young garda replies "do you want me to flash the badge" to which the bouncer says "no, you can stick your badge up your arse- now move to the door!"

Captain Darling

Oh jesus christ, my head is pounding. Anyways, i was getting a taxi home last night with two friends. We waited in the queue for about twenty minutes and finally got one. Before we pulled off, this guy who was hammered, opened the passenger door and said, 'i'm a garda, which way are ye going' and then flashed his badge. I told him it didnt matter which way we were going but we werent letting him share the cab.

There were a few other words exchanged but they are not fit for print. I've no problem sharing a taxi with people, but it was the pure cheek of the guy. He expected us to bend over for him like he was f**king royalty. I know what i'd liked to have done with that badge!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Phoole

Gardai. I just don't like 'em. Period.

Sherifu

Phoole wrote: »

Gardai. I just don't like 'em. Period.

Bloody hell.

ashisback

my friends a garda and he pulled over my boyfriend the other night for speeding and then the garda friend speeds up the road he got pulled over before for speeding and he didnt even get a fine

lee_arama

Plenty good eggs out there IMO. But there's plenty cops who abuse the badge for sure.

Was woken up one morning, whilst living above a pub, by a gang of Sergeants from Dublin hammering on the door, looking for beers. At 6am.

Same place then sure didn't 2 plains clothes from Dept of Justice just waltz in the door of the flats and wander into our place - when the bar staff were changing gas canisters. Practically refused to leave when we challenged them too. Should have prevented them from leaving and called the local police in retrospect but what can ya do? You declare you've a problem with them and you'll get persecuted for sure.

I know one Sergeant in Shannon who let someone off for smoking a joint AND Speeding on the motorway just cos they knew em. I was disgusted when I found out. Suppose that's Ireland in general for ya; not what ya know, it's who ya know. ****ing nod and wink society.

AnimalRights

Random Gardai getting petrol pic......

Captain Darling

What does that have to do with anything? ^^^^^^^^^^^:D:D

AnimalRights

Infononymous wrote: »

What does that have to do with anything? ^^^^^^^^^^^:D:D

Random covered me, I don't have to reply to justify my actions. :pac::o

luckat

The answers here, condoning 'free perks' - unearned favours given to gardai with a nod and a wink, and 'rights' like free parking on State property - are a fascinating window into Irish attitudes.

Why no poll? I'd be up there saying "Perks make me think the Gardai are not to be trusted".

Keith186

There's perks with every job if you want them go get a better job.
I get perks with my job and I don't see why Gardai shouldn't either.

As always some people will go OTT like the garda who flashed his badge to try share a taxi, that's not on. It's this exact type of behaviour why I wouldn't like to see armed Gardai, most of them not armed anyway.

Fairplay to the Seargants for getting a few pints in the morning, we've all got a lock in at some stage

invincibleirish

Being a Gardai isnt a regular job, thus any perks received are not in the same vein as somone stealing stationary from their office job.

I want to dispute Karlito's explanation that allowing gardai in for free is of benefit to a nightclub, in all honesty do you truly believe a drunk garda should get involved if there's any trouble on the premises??!! Really???!!!! I've worked in a nightclub a few years ago, I have had abuse roared at me because I let an off duty garda in for free (the policy of the business) but would not let her gaggle of non-garda friends in for free. Also had abuse roared at me by a garda and was threatened with the line "I'll be back on duty tomorrow night"??? (His friends had to drag him away...) Feel free to interpret that however you like but he was a very obnoxious drunk man who happened to be a garda and somehow thought this granted him entitlements and also absolved him from the normal rules of society - like civilty...
I think the gardai do a great job when they're on duty, no doubt about it, I abhor the attitude that they are entitled to be let in free anywhere, or given anything free, that is the choice of the establishment. Some gardai don't seem to understand this... I personally feel, in order to prevent lines being crossed, as per the situations I encountered, these sort of perks should not be allowed for gardai. They don't need them and it's asking for trouble.

luckat

There's a difference between perks - which are normally things that you'll pay tax on, and things that are officially available and part of your job - and this kind of under-the-table sneakiness.

If you'd blush if someone saw the story of your perk in the newspaper and called you on it, then it's not a perk, it's a corrupt payment.

I would certainly respect a garda who did *not* take these freebies. I wouldn't respect one who did.

Enii

eroo wrote: »

Does anyone here actually realise that most Gardai have a 'record book' w/ each shop..basically everything they get is put down in the book and paid at weekly/monthly periods.I have seen Gardai coming and gioing in a shop close to my school,when they buy something they write into the book and off they go.Then a week/month later they pay for it in bulk...nothing corrupt there.

Why don't they just pay for their goods there and then?