Car impounded for VRT...

rigormortis

boycee09, good to see someone putting up a fight. The tax is unlawful. Irelands participation in the EU could be summed up as follows; if a law adds to our revenue introduce it, if not ignore it.

Guy:Incognito

boycee09 wrote: »

iThe ruling may affect the operation of VRT in Ireland, which also charges high rates of VRT..

IIRC that article is dated 2002? And yet here we are 6 years later and no change. illegal vrt?

Plus I didnt ask for any technical details, just an answer to my rensonse to your post.

boycee09

Ya its 2002...that just goes to show how difficult this is to change and people like you are not making it any easier. Its still there is black and white. The only thing you seem interested in is supporting VRT. Do you work for customs then. I can't understand how anyone could be so opposed to the idea unless they worked for customs!

Guy:Incognito

rigormortis wrote: »

Irelands participation in the EU could be summed up as follows; if a law adds to our revenue introduce it, if not ignore it.

We (ireland) recently enough introduced the WEEE regulations before most, if not all others and before the deadline. That didnt add to revenue.

Guy:Incognito

boycee09 wrote: »

Ya its 2002...that just goes to show how difficult this is to change and people like you are not making it any easier. Its still there is black and white. The only thing you seem interested in is supporting VRT. Do you work for customs then. I can't understand how anyone could be so opposed to the idea unless they worked for customs!

OR it could show that its not illegal and nothing will be done.

No I dont work for customs. I do notice your still avoiding what I said above and picking parts of my posts to answer. Personally I'm fine with VRT and have no intentions of fighting it myslef. Any lost revenue for an abolishion of VRT WILL be made up elsewhere in increases, be it motor tax, income tax or whatever.

rigormortis

Stekelly wrote: »

We (ireland) recently enough introduced the WEEE regulations before most, if not all others and before the deadline. That didnt add to revenue.

Where did this money go? It left my pocket so it must have went into someones.

farva

Apart from that "you wouldn't understand comment" and boycee09 getting the website name wrong, (its www.irishdrivers.org) he does make some valid comments. I had a look at the website and they do seem to be right on a few points. I cant understand why everyone is being so dismissive to boycee09's suggestions, he is just trying to help people out!

Whether I'd ever have the balls to argue the toss at a customs checkpoint with several garda present remains to be seen. He does make an interesting point though, we all know VRT is illegal in theory and IF noone has ever been brought to court for non payment of VRT (and I'd love to see proof of that) could the gards arrest you for refusing to hand over your keys to the customs?

rigormortis

It all boils down to backbone. From what I have seen the average irish person is lacking in this department. We were told this EU was a free movement on people and goods, what happened that idea?

Guy:Incognito

rigormortis wrote: »

It all boils down to backbone. From what I have seen the average irish person is lacking in this department.

What about the aforementioned Danes and Portugese. Not to mention some of the other Scandanavians and the dutch.

Seth Brundle

rigormortis wrote: »

Where did this money go? It left my pocket so it must have went into someones.

AFAIK the money goes in total towards recycling as many of the components of the items that are disposed

rigormortis wrote: »

It all boils down to backbone. From what I have seen the average irish person is lacking in this department. We were told this EU was a free movement on people and goods, what happened that idea?

I believe that the 'free movement' concept has already been addressed

vibe666

it would be nice if someone could confirm the bit about customs and/or the garda not having the right to seize a vehicle for non-payment of VRT without you voluntarily handing over your keys. might be worth a shot if it's true.

I'd still want a copy of the legislation that gives me the right to refuse to hand over the keys so I can quote it to them as they are staving my head in with their batons while (hopefully|) someone is camcording it from a distance.

JohnCleary

vibe666 wrote: »

it would be nice if someone could confirm the bit about customs and/or the garda not having the right to seize a vehicle for non-payment of VRT without you voluntarily handing over your keys. might be worth a shot if it's true.

I'd still want a copy of the legislation that gives me the right to refuse to hand over the keys so I can quote it to them as they are staving my head in with their batons while (hopefully|) someone is camcording it from a distance.

If you don't hand over the key's they'll just get a tow-truck to come and lift it

astraboy

Stekelly wrote: »

What about the aforementioned Danes and Portugese. Not to mention some of the other Scandanavians and the dutch.

Its all well and good mentioning the amount of car tax the danes pay, but compare their roads, infrastructure, public transport and other aspects like child care to ours. We still pay through the nose in taxes and get a poor service in return.

vibe666

JohnCleary wrote: »

If you don't hand over the key's they'll just get a tow-truck to come and lift it

good luck with that, it's a LWB Pajero that must weight about 4 tonnes, and there's nowhere for them to get into my driveway to take it away. it's a very narrow street with cars both sides all the way along it. I have trouble getting my car into the driveway as it is.

to be fair though, I'm just chancing my arm, toying with the possibilities of not paying it. I've already contacted my local VRT office regarding registration and have a quote from them. Just got to get it sorted once I have the vehicle over here (Saturday).

I don't think I've got the balls to take on the government anyway.

Also, it's been mentioned that nobody has ever been taken to court over non payment of VRT. what about the 16 people convicted of 'VRT related offences' in 2007?

Vehicles are seized in cases where "significant and intended under-declaration of VRT is encountered", said Mr Cowen.

In such cases, the vehicle may be returned on payment of the underdeclared VRT and penalties, but in some cases, prosecutions will be taken.

To date this year, there have been 16 convictions for VRT-related offences.

In addition to the seizures, 1,944 "warning notices" have been issued so far this year, the figures show.

Warning notices are sent out to individuals who have been slow to register their vehicles and are being given a chance to pay it to avoid charges of deliberate evasion. This year’s warning notices resulted in VRT of €5,937,497 being paid.

The figures were released by Mr Cowen to Labour TD Tommy Broughan.

markbld

my wife's car was nearly impounded this week but we where fined 1400 euro on the spot they even escorted her to the band to draw the fund's
we had being in contact with DVLA and the local VRT office before she wwas stop'd as awaiting a import cert but they still demanded the fine,
also used my wife's phone to phone me and searched the car
just for the record ok we are ordinary everyday hardworking people not scam artists

anyways
big soft job's for strong men putting the fear of god into women the fecker didn't have the same attitude when i actually drove to meet them the coward sat in his car and **** himself

so if any custom people are looking in you're a bunch of complete robbing twat's easy job easy money robbing allready tax'd paying people with younge familys trying to get along in life
i wish all customs personnel would cop on and not go for the soft easy targets ye are a bunch of toss pot's of the highest standing
errrrrrrrr rant over

mick.fr

markbld wrote: »

my wife's car was nearly impounded this week but we where fined 1400 euro on the spot they even escorted her to the band to draw the fund's
we had being in contact with DVLA and the local VRT office before she wwas stop'd as awaiting a import cert but they still demanded the fine,
also used my wife's phone to phone me and searched the car
just for the record ok we are ordinary everyday hardworking people not scam artists

anyways
big soft job's for strong men putting the fear of god into women the fecker didn't have the same attitude when i actually drove to meet them the coward sat in his car and **** himself

so if any custom people are looking in you're a bunch of complete robbing twat's easy job easy money robbing allready tax'd paying people with younge familys trying to get along in life
i wish all customs personnel would cop on and not go for the soft easy targets ye are a bunch of toss pot's of the highest standing
errrrrrrrr rant over

Why are you making this up?
This is impossible, customs don't escort you to the bank to widthdraw 1400 euro to give them in cash because they just fined you.

And if you had a case with the VRT office there is no way they could fine you or do anything else if you can't register the car because you were waiting for an additional document.

Bad joke man, we ain't stupid

markbld

mick.fr wrote: »

Why are you making this up?
This is impossible, customs don't escort you to the bank to widthdraw 1400 euro to give them in cash because they just fined you.

And if you had a case with the VRT office there is no way they could fine you or do anything else if you can't register the car because you were waiting for an additional document.

Bad joke man, we ain't stupid

aint no joke i promise you 100% genuine, they followed my wife to the bank as agreed waiting app 100 or so meters away from the bank and she had to then handover the 1400 in cash to them i just arrived as she walked to them we got paperwork to back this up,
they treated her like she was a common criminal she was in tears and they even searched the car for what i dont no and also wanted to see what -if anything paperwork she had in her own hangbag
serious i'm sincerly not making this up
i even have phone records to the DVLA in Swansea in January and to the local VRT office trying to get a ecport cert
there just a money grabing shower of complete bastards to be honest how they can treat ordinary working people in this way is beyond both of us
my wife for the record has never even had a parking ticket she is so straight no speeding fine's etc ever
no this is not a joke it is not creamed up these are the fact's
so how do you think after returing to ireland over 10 years ago making our way here workign hard paying our way how do you think we now will look at things
we have brought up our children to repect the laws and figures or authority well from now on we actually dont give a **** to be honest playing it straigh doing you're best is not the way in this country
o and also the 1400 fine is no deductable form the VRT amount when we do eventually get our export cert
so man i'm not being funny nor calling anyone here stupit this is fact this happened this week and we have all the paperwork to back this up FACT
finially if anyone here legally can shed some light on this or help please pm me i'd be gratefull 1400 + the VRT is some knock to us

mick.fr

I don't know mate, sounds like a steal and power abuse to me.
You should make sure they have the right to actually do that, and if not, sue them to death, cause for me police/custom recovering a fee on spot and by cash does not sound right. Hope you get a proof of payment receipt signed by them on a official revenue paper...

Mylow

markbld wrote: »

i even have phone records to the DVLA in Swansea in January and to the local VRT office trying to get a export cert

All you need to do is present V5 in revenue office. If you are not last recorded keeper on V5, DVLA will contact last recorded keeper. I know this for fact as I sold car when living in UK to bloke from Galway. i gave him V5, DVLA contacted me within 2 weeks of sale. Irish Revenue obviously return document to say car was re-registered in Ireland.

I do know of one car was re-reg in Ireland and was still showing on UK system....they(DVLA) sent out notification to re-tax car.

You sure they were 'customs', sounds bogus to me.

markbld

mick.fr wrote: »

I don't know mate, sounds like a steal and power abuse to me.
You should make sure they have the right to actually do that, and if not, sue them to death, cause for me police/custom recovering a fee on spot and by cash does not sound right. Hope you get a proof of payment receipt signed by them on a official revenue paper...

yes we did thats why i drove to meet them at the bank, the custom's guy actually used my wife's phone to phone me up said his name and said my wife was in a bad way
man i just stop'd my car dead on the road i thought she was killed in a car accident
anyways what he said was either we pay the money now and not a personnel cheque either cash or draft as in now he would impound the car there and then and take my wife to court
now i explained that we are still awaiting the export cert and that we had being in contact with DVLA and VRT by phone but he said if the vehicle is on the road it's against the law
now we had no problem with the VRT we knew the amount before we purchased the car also the car is taxed still UK tax and insurance on it to my wife would no drive nor me neither if it wasen't
honestly i felt the whole thing extremly heavy handed esp to a woman going to her work
if this is how the goverment instruct there custom's officers to act then god help this country and the citizens living here
really honestly i'm not one bit making any of this up it is truly all 100% genuine fact and as stated i'd be gratefull if anyone here could possibly help in any way as to what we should do about this
the fine is also no returnable and the office they have in donegal dealing with these issues is actually none contactable either by phone or personnel visit

markbld

micmclo wrote: »

Mark, seriously can you use capital letters as hundreds of people will read it and it's a nightmare to read.

The above point is true as Customs seem to go for easy targets. I can point out vans in my area on a halting site that have UK reg that have not been reregistered but they have been around for months..
Maybe they are not supposed to pay VRT but it is easier to get a law abiding citizen to pay up then someone who has no fear of the law. And I can't believe that all the vans on the site are genuinly owed by UK citizens

As another example, if you threaten a Luas inspector you can get away with the fine as long as you get off at the next stop. But most people give their real name and address anyway.
Who is more likely to pay a fine, a scumbag or a ordinary person?

Not condoning Mark's skipping of paying VRT within 24 hours all the same.

hi sorry for the mistakes it's a old PC and very slow connection, and i'm new to the board's etc

for the record we where not skipping the VRT the dealer we purchased the vehicle from in the Uk would not give us the full V5 log book only a small section of it which is useless here to VRT the car
however we DID give our correct details on the V5 form and that was sent to the DVLA in Swansea we where expecting a new V5 to be sent to us to register the car here

we both have to work so took advice by phone from the VRT office when eventually we could get throught to them " it's near impossible to actually talk to someone there "
We have over 7 logged phone call's to DVLA in Swansea along
4 logged call's to the VRT offices when we could get through all before my wife was stopped
so please tell me how we could have corrected this without not driving the car then my children would not have got to school or being collected after school and my wife would not be able to go to work, we live in rural Ireland no public transport etc
anyone ????????????????

AngryHippie

Buddy of mine, sound enough chap, law abiding, hard working, got nabbed the other day, they asked him for the keys there and then:mad:, unless he had 10% of the cars value and the price of the VRT on him. He had to go and pick it up in dublin (50km):mad:. He wasn't treated to well either, left standing in the rain for someone to come pick him up:eek:. They sound as bad as clampers. Maybe anonymous could take up the cause:D

mick.fr

Guys seriously you don't pay fine by cash on spot.
And yes the revenue do accept cheques as a payment method.
This is a crap story, in my opinion you just got scammed by fake customs.

mick.fr

markbld wrote: »

so please tell me how we could have corrected this without not driving the car...

Go to the VRT office, open a case, get a paper from them that you are waiting for the export cert. to register the car.

ronanl

i live in both the uk and Ireland, I have a registered car in Dublin and London, I hold an UK Driving License and i have been told that i can use my uk car on Irish roads for up to six months a year. can anyone tell me if this is true?? I keep hearing conflicting information....

Our man in Havana

mick.fr wrote: »

Guys seriously you don't pay fine by cash on spot.
And yes the revenue do accept cheques as a payment method.
This is a crap story, in my opinion you just got scammed by fake customs.

It wouldn't surprise me.

You can't pay customs men on the spot, they are not allowed to accept money. You have to go to the VRO and pay there.

mick.fr

ronanl wrote: »

i live in both the uk and Ireland, I have a registered car in Dublin and London, I hold an UK Driving License and i have been told that i can use my uk car on Irish roads for up to six months a year. can anyone tell me if this is true?? I keep hearing conflicting information....

Mate the answer is easy.

Where is your fiscal country of residence. UK or Ireland?
So now try to guess yourself.
If you are living in UK more than 180 days a year, then it is agreed that you are a UK resident, so you can come over here, as long as you want with no obligation whatsoever to change your plates, cause you don't live here.

And vice versa.

Now you question sounds a bit dodgy, if you have a car in Dublin, just drive your Irish car when you are here...

Guy:Incognito

AngryHippie wrote: »

Buddy of mine, sound enough chap, law abiding, hard working, got nabbed the other day, they asked him for the keys there and then:mad:, unless he had 10% of the cars value and the price of the VRT on him. He had to go and pick it up in dublin (50km):mad:. He wasn't treated to well either, left standing in the rain for someone to come pick him up:eek:. They sound as bad as clampers. Maybe anonymous could take up the cause:D

Hows he law abiding if he was breaking the law at the time?

As for standing in the rain? boo hoo, he should pay his way next time and he wont be left anywhere standing in the rain.

Guy:Incognito

markbld wrote: »

so please tell me how we could have corrected this without not driving the car then my children would not have got to school or being collected after school and my wife would not be able to go to work, we live in rural Ireland no public transport etc
anyone ????????????????

Well if you are in such a desperate situation transport wise, why didnt you just buy a car in Ireland? The rules are fairly clear about VRTing it the following working day, so you knew going over.

My cousin was in the same situation with the V5, he didnt get th ewhole lot but got a letter from the VRO explaining all was ok if stopped, a very simple solution.

markbld

Stekelly wrote: »

Well if you are in such a desperate situation transport wise, why didnt you just buy a car in Ireland? The rules are fairly clear about VRTing it the following working day, so you knew going over.

My cousin was in the same situation with the V5, he didnt get th ewhole lot but got a letter from the VRO explaining all was ok if stopped, a very simple solution.

ok for ther last time
i paid the customs officer's cash that day
we did contact the VRT + DVLA adn awaiting completion of registeration form's
the car we purchased could not be got in Irl e.g. same colour, mileage, spek, also its cheaper even with VRT etc
also we both held full Uk licence's but decided to change them as we live now in Ireland
if i didn't want to pay VRT and scam it, we could get our Uk licences back and use our address in the Uk yes we still have a address there , but being straight decided not to do such a thing
so to cap it,
i'll scam/fraud whatever in future it's not worth being fair in this country
thanks for all the + feedback and also for the - i can see all you're point's of view
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