Led Zep clip from last night...

cornbb

I'm just talking about the demographic that they would be likely to play to, given the probable cost of tickets if they were to tour again, i.e. those in their 40s or 50s or older. I've no issue with that except for the fact that I think they would change the way they play to suit this crowd. They just wouldn't be the same. I think it would detract from their legendary status. I dunno. Maybe its shallow or narrow-minded of me but it wouldn't seem right for Led Zeppelin, if you know what I mean. In 20 years time I'd still like to remember them as god-like legends of the 70s, not as an old and incomplete supergroup appearing to cash in.

MoominPapa

cornbb wrote: »

I'm just talking about the demographic that they would be likely to play to, given the probable cost of tickets if they were to tour again, i.e. those in their 40s or 50s or older. I've no issue with that except for the fact that I think they would change the way they play to suit this crowd. They just wouldn't be the same. I think it would detract from their legendary status. I dunno. Maybe its shallow or narrow-minded of me but it wouldn't seem right for Led Zeppelin, if you know what I mean. In 20 years time I'd still like to remember them as god-like legends of the 70s, not as an old and incomplete supergroup appearing to cash in.

I think the point about demographics is key. Page has spent the best part of 30 years insuring the legend stays intact so if they are to tour they have to find a way of getting to the kids. The codgers(sorry galwayrush:p) have had they're show (and all of the 70s) and if they tour charging 160 quid (or whatever it was) then the image will be tarnished forever. I don't know if there is a solution to this in this day and age, promoters are jacking themselves off as we speak dreaming of all the spons them can cream in on this one, so the band will have put a lot of work in to make sure it doesn't play into the promoters bank accounts and who can say if they are bothered. Plant certainly looks like he has better things to do. Unless the entire band is 100% behind it it won't happen. Page and Bonham are probably totally up for it, JPJ - haven't a clue and Plant - don't think so. But if they are and it isn't priced towards the more mature end of the market then giving younger generations a chance to see them live, even if they cannot recapture their peak, and lets face it they were well past that by 1980 anyway, would be fantastic and then I hope they go for it

nij

Do we really need more of this (pretty baseless) cynical, ageist bull crap? I'm 24 and I'd pay €160 to see them. Why? Because I love Zep and they f*ckin' rock, and not a single 'modern', 'up-to-date', 'cool' act of today does it for me. Not one.

There's nothing but indie-crap 'singer-songwriters' and teenybopper bubblegum zombies around these days. Of course, I'm talking about if you want to see a BIG show in a big venue with all the excitement. I'm into metal, hard rock and the like, and you have to look away from the mainstream in order to find decent music.

Sorry if that sounds cliche, but I think it's true.

Jigsaw

You sir speak sense. I would pay good money to see a good band, which Led Zeppelin are. Previous posts on this thread about them being old codgers etc are beneath ridicule. People liking to post a bull**** opinion to appear different and controversial. You all know who you are. You are some fellas. Run along now and buy your tickets to the next Kooks gig - fools.

cornbb

MoominPapa wrote: »

I think the point about demographics is key. Page has spent the best part of 30 years insuring the legend stays intact so if they are to tour they have to find a way of getting to the kids. The codgers(sorry galwayrush:p) have had they're show (and all of the 70s) and if they tour charging 160 quid (or whatever it was) then the image will be tarnished forever. I don't know if there is a solution to this in this day and age, promoters are jacking themselves off as we speak dreaming of all the spons them can cream in on this one, so the band will have put a lot of work in to make sure it doesn't play into the promoters bank accounts and who can say if they are bothered. Plant certainly looks like he has better things to do. Unless the entire band is 100% behind it it won't happen. Page and Bonham are probably totally up for it, JPJ - haven't a clue and Plant - don't think so. But if they are and it isn't priced towards the more mature end of the market then giving younger generations a chance to see them live, even if they cannot recapture their peak, and lets face it they were well past that by 1980 anyway, would be fantastic and then I hope they go for it

Excellent post

nij wrote: »

Do we really need more of this (pretty baseless) cynical, ageist bull crap? I'm 24 and I'd pay €160 to see them. Why? Because I love Zep and they f*ckin' rock, and not a single 'modern', 'up-to-date', 'cool' act of today does it for me. Not one.

Its not ageism, its just the fact that promoters of a new LZ tour would be likely to price the tickets to an older crowd and therefore the music would be pitched to suit them too - it wouldn't be the same. I'm 25, I've a lot of friends who would pay serious prices for tickets and I'd pay higher than average prices myself. But the tickets would be priced as high as the promoters know they could price them while ensuring every show sells out, which would be very high indeed... I'd love the gig, how could anyone not, but I'd be bitter that I would be on the verge of being pushed to the edge of the market and being wallet-raped for a ticket. I'd pay a higher than average price to see the band, but not extortionate prices.

There's nothing but indie-crap 'singer-songwriters' and teenybopper bubblegum zombies around these days. Of course, I'm talking about if you want to see a BIG show in a big venue with all the excitement. I'm into metal, hard rock and the like, and you have to look away from the mainstream in order to find decent music.

Sorry if that sounds cliche, but I think it's true.

Thats simply not true, although indie/pop music rarely float my boat and I think Led Zeppelin are one of the greatest musical acts of all time they are a lot more "mainstream" than an awful lot of the quality music out there today. Everyone knows Led Zeppelin, how is that not mainstream? Not that being "mainstream" matters. Personally I'm not such a fan of huge shows, all the best gigs I've been to have had crowds of < 1000 people. There's sh*tloads of great new music out there, much of it being played at tiny venues.

Jigsaw wrote: »

You sir speak sense. I would pay good money to see a good band, which Led Zeppelin are. Previous posts on this thread about them being old codgers etc are beneath ridicule. People liking to post a bull**** opinion to appear different and controversial. You all know who you are. You are some fellas. Run along now and buy your tickets to the next Kooks gig - fools.

Lol. First of all, MoominPapa's codgers reference was referring to the crowd, not the band. No-one here has anything but massive respect for LZ, regardless of their age, my gripe is with the promoters. Try reading the thread properly before replying.

Secondly, the insinuation that I like the Kooks is a personal insult. The fact that you and so many other people would pay ridiculous money to see Led Zeppelin is the very reason I think that their image, reputation, integrity, whatever, would be tarnished beyond repair. Would you like future generations to remember the band as the legends they are regarded as now, or as perpetual money grubbers like The Eagles or Paul McCartney? Do you think you are special because you like Led Zeppelin, or that paying 200, 300 euros for a ticket to one of their shows would make you a bigger and better fan? Grow the f*ck up.

MoominPapa

cornbb ftw:D

Jigsaw wrote: »

People liking to post a bull**** opinion to appear different and controversial.

Yeah Rock and Metal and boards in general would be soooo much better if everyone agreed with each other all the time and there was never any controversy :rolleyes:

nij wrote: »

Do we really need more of this (pretty baseless) cynical, ageist bull crap? I'm 24 and I'd pay €160 to see them.

I've got a young family and I would love to bring the lot of us to see Zeppelin. If they charge 60 squllion quids a pop I won't be able to and will resent them forever, this may not be a concern to you but it is to me

nij

Thats simply not true, although indie/pop music rarely float my boat and I think Led Zeppelin are one of the greatest musical acts of all time they are a lot more "mainstream" than an awful lot of the quality music out there today. Everyone knows Led Zeppelin, how is that not mainstream? Not that being "mainstream" matters. Personally I'm not such a fan of huge shows, all the best gigs I've been to have had crowds of < 1000 people. There's sh*tloads of great new music out there, much of it being played at tiny venues.

Of course they're not mainstream - when was the last time they played together? How many teens on the street would know who the heck they are? They WERE mainstream.

As for prices, well, at least if you pay €160 you know that there won't be anyone turning up just to throw beer cups at them and cause trouble. LOL. You say that a high ticket price would mean only one slice of society gets to see them - so what? Do I care about the fact that some people can't afford it? No. The fact is that there ARE people who will pay €160.

As for damaging their legendary reputation... whatever man. It's no secret that music is a business. All I know is that if LZ are playing, I'll be there, end of.

cornbb

nij wrote: »

Of course they're not mainstream - when was the last time they played together? How many teens on the street would know who the heck they are? They WERE mainstream.

As for prices, well, at least if you pay €160 you know that there won't be anyone turning up just to throw beer cups at them and cause trouble. LOL. You say that a high ticket price would mean only one slice of society gets to see them - so what? Do I care about the fact that some people can't afford it? No. The fact is that there ARE people who will pay €160.

As for damaging their legendary reputation... whatever man. It's no secret that music is a business. All I know is that if LZ are playing, I'll be there, end of.

Thats fair enough, I'd be there too unless ticket prices were massively extortionately (although I think theres a fairly good chance they would be) and it would doubtless be a gig to remember. It would still ruin the legend I think.

Still disagree with you about the mainstream thing though, can't see how a rock band gets more mainstream than Led Zeppelin. They have a compilation in the top 10 album charts right now. Mainstream music doesn't equate to bad music though, so lets not fight about a pedantic thing like that.

The fact is that there ARE people who will pay €160

I think that that is the worst possible reason Led Zeppelin could use to regroup and tour. It would highlight the very worst aspects of the music business (commercialism and greed) and seriously damage the band's integrity. I don't think they will do it though.

nij

Yeah but we all know the promoters take a large cut from that. Maybe they wouldn't do a deal with the band unless they agree to a ticket price like that. Yes, commercialism is the worst part of music, but I think we can all tell which bands are corporate puppets and which are musicians.

cornbb

nij wrote: »

Yes, commercialism is the worst part of music, but I think we can all tell which bands are corporate puppets and which are musicians.

Yes, big time. Zeppelin are true artists and don't appear to have lost the head when it comes to moneymaking and commercialism If Led Zeppelin were to tour they might have enough clout to keep the ticket prices at reasonable levels. So if they do tour lets hope that happens, therefore keeping all of us happy