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New motor tax and VRT regime. Links + calculations

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    #902
    willmott
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭willmott


    Thanks for the replies.
    i realise that i will not have to pay any vrt as i have owned the car for over 6 months over here, my big concern is that as far as i can see my car will fall into grade D which will be 430 euro in road tax - wont I still get caught for this tax even though i will be exempt from vrt??


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    #903
    Mc-BigE
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Mc-BigE


    willmott wrote: »
    Thanks for the replies.
    i realise that i will not have to pay any vrt as i have owned the car for over 6 months over here, my big concern is that as far as i can see my car will fall into grade D which will be 430 euro in road tax - wont I still get caught for this tax even though i will be exempt from vrt??

    Motor tax is calculated differently to VRT, of your car is 31st DEC-2007 or older it will be based in CC road tax.


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    #904
    Esel
    Registered Users Posts: 22,322 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    ^ Just to clarify the above post - you will pay road tax on the 'old' cc-based system, not on the new system of A-F CO2 bands.

    Not your ornery onager



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    #905
    gary the great
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭gary the great


    Shower of <SNIP> - the VRT on my car has gone up 250quid since Friday, im cutting it tight moneywise as it is I didnt need that. How has the value of my car gone up? <SNIP>, its bad enough goign up and paying 2000euro tax as it is without another 250.


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    #906
    ninty9er
    Registered Users Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    WTF are you bringing in??


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    #907
    -Chris-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,035 ✭✭✭✭-Chris-


    Have you had it valued, or just looked it up on the website?

    Website's only a guideline and whether it goes up or down doesn't guarantee you anything...


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    #908
    Bendihorse
    Registered Users Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭Bendihorse


    When do we get to know the new OMP they are putting on cars under the new system?


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    #909
    -Chris-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,035 ✭✭✭✭-Chris-


    Bendihorse wrote: »
    When do we get to know the new OMP they are putting on cars under the new system?

    Brand new cars - as each price list is launched by the importer, they're advising the revenue of the new OMSPs

    Second hand cars - I guess they'll appear on the revenue website as soon as they get their info together


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    #910
    Bendihorse
    Registered Users Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭Bendihorse


    I wonder if they will increase OMSPs them so they can make a bigger cut... Wouldn't surprise me.


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    #911
    -Chris-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,035 ✭✭✭✭-Chris-


    I wouldn't think so, afaik the OMSPs on the online calculator are fairly accurate.

    I'd think that if they wanted more revenue, they'd just increase the tax rates - if they start "tweaking" OMSPs so that they blatantly don't line up with real open market selling prices, they'll be inundated with appeals!


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    #912
    Mc-BigE
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Mc-BigE


    just looking at honda.ie website and the link they use to explain vrt/motor tax changes is different from the simi.ie pdf file their referencing ? seems people are still confused:
    http://www.honda.ie/contentv3/index.cfm?fuseaction=page&pageID=14673&parentID=4115
    (just incase its updated by the time you read it)
    Q:
    I am thinking of buying an imported used
    car after July, how will the new Road Tax
    system affect me?
    A: Imported cars first registered in previous country before
    the 1st January 2008 will be Road Taxed at current rates
    except those with emissions more over 225g/km which will
    be taxed on a CO2 basis (currently €2,000). Used vehicles
    first registered in previous country after 1st July 2008 will be
    based on the CO2 Road Tax rates while those registered in other
    member states between the 1st January and 1st July 2008 will
    be taxed on whichever rate is lower. (See Tables 1 and 2)

    and simi.ie
    http://www.simi.ie/Files/SIMI_RoadTaxvrt.pdf


    Q:
    I am thinking of buying an imported used
    car after July, how will the new Road Tax
    system affect me?
    A: Imported cars first registered in previous country before the 1st
    January 2008 will be Road Taxed at current rates (cc based). Used
    vehicles first registered in previous country after 1st July 2008
    will be based on the CO2 Road Tax rates while those registered in
    other member states between the 1st January and 1st July 2008
    will be taxed on whichever rate is lower. (See Tables 1 and 2)


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    #913
    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    FWIW - 'we' were in VRO Galway today, here's what happened......

    See my last comment, here

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    #914
    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    gary the great wrote: »
    Shower of <SNIP> - the VRT on my car has gone up 250quid since Friday, im cutting it tight moneywise as it is I didnt need that. How has the value of my car gone up? <SNIP>, its bad enough goign up and paying 2000euro tax as it is without another 250.



    Unless your car is wearing an 08 X XX plate........you won't be paying 2k tax. If your VRT went up only 250, there's no way what you're bringing in is 2k a year........what is it, btw....?

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    #915
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,285 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Mc-BigE wrote: »
    just looking at honda.ie website and the link they use to explain vrt/motor tax changes is different from the simi.ie pdf file their referencing ? seems people are still confused:

    Honda are right and the SIMI booklet is wrong.


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    #916
    Mc-BigE
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Mc-BigE


    smccarrick wrote: »
    Honda are right and the SIMI booklet is wrong.

    i thought it was the other way around. ie
    if i import a car with 226co2 that was registered before 2008 in the UK, that the motor tax will be engine sized based?


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    #917
    copacetic
    Subscribers Posts: 16,587 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Unless your car is wearing an 08 X XX plate........you won't be paying 2k tax. If your VRT went up only 250, there's no way what you're bringing in is 2k a year........what is it, btw....?

    pretty sure he meant 2k vehicle reg tax had gone up 250.


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    #918
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,285 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Mc-BigE wrote: »
    i thought it was the other way around. ie
    if i import a car with 226co2 that was registered before 2008 in the UK, that the motor tax will be engine sized based?

    Its CC based all the way up to 224grms/km when it then switches over to CO2 emissions based. Thats why you still have to prove the CO2 emissions- even if the road tax is going be CC based........


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    #919
    Mc-BigE
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Mc-BigE


    smccarrick wrote: »
    Its CC based all the way up to 224grms/km when it then switches over to CO2 emissions based. Thats why you still have to prove the CO2 emissions- even if the road tax is going be CC based........

    so the dept. of environment are also wrong: me confused.com:(

    http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/

    "The new CO2 based system will not apply to second-hand imports that were registered abroad prior to 2008."


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    #920
    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    smccarrick wrote: »
    Its CC based all the way up to 224grms/km when it then switches over to CO2 emissions based. Thats why you still have to prove the CO2 emissions- even if the road tax is going be CC based........


    incorrect: I have it in an email from Dept.

    It's cc all the way for the life of the car.

    So Sayeth The Dept.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    #921
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,285 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    galwaytt wrote: »
    incorrect: I have it in an email from Dept.

    It's cc all the way for the life of the car.

    So Sayeth The Dept.

    Any chance you could PM me a copy of the e-mail- I've been told one thing by the Motortax crowd in Shannon and totally contradictory advice by the Motortax Policy Unit in the Department in Dublin :( Its no wonder we're all confused


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    #922
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 65,444 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Or publish the email here?

    My ads on adverts.ie

    https://www.adverts.ie/member/5856/ads



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    #923
    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Caveat:

    OK, I've emailed the officer in question, to get permission to reproduce the email in full.

    Pending that, however, below is the (abridged) version - I'll put up original when I get the o.k..
    Please Quote Ref: REPXXXX/JG/08

    11 April 2008

    Email: XXXX@XXXXX


    Dear Mr. XXXX,

    I have been asked by Mr. John Gormley, T.D., Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, to refer to your recent email in connection with motor tax.

    The position is that a 1993 model car imported from the UK – at any time – will, for the lifetime of the car, be taxed based on engine size (cc). Vehicle Registration Tax on such a car imported prior to July
    2008 will be subject to the current VRT rates.

    Yours sincerely,


    ____________,
    xxxx
    xxxx

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    #924
    ninty9er
    Registered Users Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    smccarrick wrote: »
    Its CC based all the way up to 224grms/km when it then switches over to CO2 emissions based. Thats why you still have to prove the CO2 emissions- even if the road tax is going be CC based........

    NO!!!

    You have to prove the CO2 emissions for VRT purposes. It is irrelevant to motor tax as it stands unless the ar in question is 08.


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    #925
    Esel
    Registered Users Posts: 22,322 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    Jayz lads.... This thread is burning an awful lot of oil the last day or two. I can't see for the smoke!

    Not your ornery onager



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    #926
    jetfiremuck
    Registered Users Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭jetfiremuck


    I would clear before Jun 30th to be on the safe side.We know the old rates will apply. New stuff God only knows.I can see people in July 1 arguing about the top band as they have no CO2 cert or it listed on the V5. Then it is the appeal process,


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    #927
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,285 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    jetfiremuck wrote: »
    Then it is the appeal process,

    In all fairness- they are pretty prompt and quite reasonable about appeals. Plus they also give you very good details on the reasons your appeal was successful (or failed). S.


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    #928
    copacetic
    Subscribers Posts: 16,587 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    interesting snippet on landrover prices from todays times:
    LAND ROVER

    While the new VRT and road tax laws were designed to discourage SUV ownership, this might not have the desired effect in the case of some Land Rover models. The basic Freelander model comes down by €3,033 even though it sits in Band F. There are now automatic versions of the diesel Freelander available. There are price increases on all the Discovery models, with an increase of €1,770 on the popular SE 7-seater. All models will be in Band G from July 1st.


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    #929
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users Posts: 73,456 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    who said the VRT laws were designed to discourage SUV ownership? I was under the impression that CO2 based system was a level playing field, and much fairer than the old cc based system. that Irish Times journo is talking rubbish. If the Freelander has low emissions, than what's the problem with owning one?


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    #930
    copacetic
    Subscribers Posts: 16,587 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    I think the point he is making is that it doesn't have low emissions, it is band F as mentioned, land rover have just cut the price...


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    #931
    gary the great
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭gary the great


    Before i go in and VRT my motor, just want to clarify:

    a 2001 Alfa 147 should be VRT'd before Tuesday (July 1st)? People have started telling me that the whole system has changed and just want to clarify!!


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