UEFA Draw

eirebhoy

The draw for the knockouts is tomorrow at 11am Irish time.

Champions League

[B]Pot A[/B]                            [B]Pot B[/B]
FC Porto                         Liverpool
Chelsea                          Schalke 04
Real Madrid                      Olímpiakos
AC Milan                         Celtic
FC Barcelona                     Olympique Lyon
Manchester United                AS Roma
Internazionale                   Fenerbahçe
Sevilla                          Arsenal

UEFA Cup

[B]Pot A[/B]                v           [B]Pot D[/B]
Everton                          Zenit St. Petersburg
Atlético Madrid                  Aberdeen
Villarreal                       AEK Athens
Hamburger SV                     SK Brann Bergen
Bayer Leverkusen                 FC Zürich
Bayern München                   Bolton Wanderers
Getafe                           Anderlecht  
Girondins Bordeaux               Galatasaray 

[b]Pot B[/b]                v           [b]Pot C[/b]
FC Nürnberg                      Olympique Marseille
Panathinaikos                    Rosenborg BK
Fiorentina                       Werder Bremen
FC Basel                         Benfica
Spartak Moscow                   Rangers
Sporting Braga                   Sporting CP Lisbon
Tottenham Hotspur                PSV Eindhoven
Helsingborg IF                   Slavia Praha

Celtic most likely to draw Man Utd. Odds from Coral:
Man United 7/2
Chelsea 4/1
Inter Milan 5/1
Porto 6/1
Sevilla 6/1
Barcelona 13/2
Real Madrid 13/2

I have a feeling it'll be Chelsea but hopefully Real.

Paul Tergat

eirebhoy wrote: »

Celtic most likely to draw Man Utd.

errr...what? do people actually bet on this stuff?

Guy:Incognito

Unless they are saying it's rigged, how do they figure Celtic have any more of a chance of drawing Utd in a random draw than anyone else?

A Dub in Glasgo

Of course it is rigged to an extent. It is not a random draw as countries from the same association cannot be drawn against each other

A Dub in Glasgo

p_larkin99 wrote: »

errr...what? do people actually bet on this stuff?

People bet on anything

Eirebear

Stekelly wrote: »

Unless they are saying it's rigged, how do they figure Celtic have any more of a chance of drawing Utd in a random draw than anyone else?

Eirebhoy posted something the other day were some guy had worked out the statistical possibilities of who celtic could get.
Pretty amazing really.

Theres a couple of teams in Rangers pot id like to avoid, Helsingborgs being one...because we all know what would happen there!
Would like spurs though, would be a good atmosphere for that one.

OPENROAD

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

People bet on anything

I bet you they don't

eirebhoy

Stekelly wrote: »

Unless they are saying it's rigged, how do they figure Celtic have any more of a chance of drawing Utd in a random draw than anyone else?

Man Utd/Chelsea can only draw one of 5 teams. Inter can draw one of 6 so have less chance of drawing Celtic. Seville/Real/Barca can draw one of 7 so have even less chance.

The above means that Celtic are more likely to draw Chelsea or Man Utd than one of the Spanish or Italian teams (feck the rest for this example). The reason Man Utd are sole favourites is down to a domino effect.

Roma can draw 1 of 5 but not Man Utd. Schalke can draw 1 of 7 but not Chelsea. Therefore Chelsea have more chance of drawing Roma than Man Utd have of drawing Schalke.

It goes on and on and there's thousands of different combinations. Some Celtic fan used a program to work out the odds:

Our chances of drawing each team worked out to be:

Man Utd 19.7%
Chelsea 18.8%
Inter Milan 13.4%
Porto 12.5%
Sevilla 12.5%
Real Madrid 11.5%
Barcelona 11.5%
AC Milan 0%

And if you want to know, the value bet in those Coral odds is Chelsea.

herbieflowers

there's such a gulf in class between Pot A and B of the CL...

WhiteWashMan

If you added Pool and Arsenal to pot A and removed Porto, Id agree.

herbieflowers

yeah of course, I was just generalising...good ol' pedantry is alive and well on boards! But yeah, gulf (minus Arsenal and Pool )

Paul Tergat

eirebhoy wrote: »

Man Utd/Chelsea can only draw one of 5 teams. Inter can draw one of 6 so have less chance of drawing Celtic. Seville/Real/Barca can draw one of 7 so have even less chance.

The above means that Celtic are more likely to draw Chelsea or Man Utd than one of the Spanish or Italian teams (feck the rest for this example). The reason Man Utd are sole favourites is down to a domino effect.

Roma can draw 1 of 5 but not Man Utd. Schalke can draw 1 of 7 but not Chelsea. Therefore Chelsea have more chance of drawing Roma than Man Utd have of drawing Schalke.

It goes on and on and there's thousands of different combinations. Some Celtic fan used a program to work out the odds:



And if you want to know, the value bet in those Coral odds is Chelsea.

Thats absolutely class!

can u get access to this program? i'td be a great way of showing off!

Bluetonic

eirebhoy wrote: »

The draw for the knockouts is tomorrow at 11am Irish time.

The draw for the last 16 of the UEFA cup as well as the last 32 both take place.

Necronomicon

Bluetonic wrote: »

The draw for the last 16 of the UEFA cup as well as the last 32 both take place.

Does the last 8 draw for the CL take place as well? I can't remember from last season.

Bluetonic

Necromomicon wrote: »

Does the last 8 draw for the CL take place as well? I can't remember from last season.

Thats a separate draw after this round has been played.

justfortherecor

p_larkin99 wrote: »

Thats absolutely class!

can u get access to this program? i'td be a great way of showing off!

Mathematica perhaps?

oobydooby

eirebhoy wrote: »

Man Utd/Chelsea can only draw one of 5 teams. Inter can draw one of 6 so have less chance of drawing Celtic. Seville/Real/Barca can draw one of 7 so have even less chance.

The above means that Celtic are more likely to draw Chelsea or Man Utd than one of the Spanish or Italian teams (feck the rest for this example). The reason Man Utd are sole favourites is down to a domino effect.

Roma can draw 1 of 5 but not Man Utd. Schalke can draw 1 of 7 but not Chelsea. Therefore Chelsea have more chance of drawing Roma than Man Utd have of drawing Schalke.

It goes on and on and there's thousands of different combinations. Some Celtic fan used a program to work out the odds:



And if you want to know, the value bet in those Coral odds is Chelsea.

That's very clever and interesting too. Wish our maths teacher had shown us stuff like that. Any odds it'll be the Liverpool and Arsenal games shown on RTE?

~Rebel~

watching it on uefa.com now over video feed. They're just explaining the procedure now, the actual draw itself looks like will be pretty soon

~Rebel~

celtic draw...Barca!

mike65

God this is a load of old Balls

Celtic- barca!

Mike.

~Rebel~

Lyon V....Man U.

nice draw for utd

mike65

Utd should happy enough

Liverpool will play Inter

Mike.

FRM

Bye bye Celtic

~Rebel~

Schalke V...Porto

Great chance for porto to push on to next round

~Rebel~

Liverpool....(fingers crossed!!!)
V

Inter Milan! Tough!

~Rebel~

Roma V Madrid

mike65

Arsenal - AC Milan

Mike.

~Rebel~

Arsenal Vs Milan as only possible option left.

Should be a great game.

~Rebel~

Olymp1acos V Chelsea

Easy easy draw

~Rebel~

Seville V Fenerbache, easy enough draw as well.

mike65

Chelsea - ******kos should be okay for the Chavs.

Mike.

FRM

Man U fan's shouldnt under estimate Lyon !

mike65

Lyon never shine at the business end, then neither do Utd most years!

Mike.

~Rebel~

Full draw is;

Celtic V barca
Lyon V Man Utd
Schalke V Porto
Liverpool V Inter
Roma V Madrid
Arsenal V Milan
Olymp1acos V Chelsea
Fenerbache V Seville

5 decent enough games there, celtic, Lyon, Liverpool, Roma, Arsenal.

Vokes

Arsenal - Milan game is gonna be fascinating. Will be a real interesting test to see if Fabregas can pull the strings around Pirlo.

PHB

gah, ffs, worst team we could draw, very annoyed Chelsea easily through, Liverpool and Arsenal in a very very very tough draws

But to be honest, I think playing tough teams prepare you for winning. As such, if we want to win, we might as well get these early.

Necronomicon

Hmm, would've rathered avoiding Lyon since their renaissance in the last month or so. Still, I fancy United to go through.

Pighead

mike65 wrote: »

Lyon never shine at the business end, then neither do Utd most years!

Mike.

Lyon generally make the Quarter Finals though.

mike65

After the "round of 16" is it a random draw for the quarter finals?

Mike.

jank

I think Arsenal can take an aging AC Milan side. Keeping key players fit is obviously vital.

yom 1

have the dates been confirmed yet, the actual dates of them, not just ties will be played march 4/5

MementoMori

Not a great draw some good tasty games but some relative duds.

Two from Schalke, Porto, Fenerbache and Seville will be in the last eight, while three from AC Milan, Inter ,Arsenal, Roma, Madrid and Liverpool won't.

Doesn't seem right somehow.

mike65

Thats a rather condecending view of team a like Porto which has won it lets not forget.

Mike.

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jank wrote: »

I think Arsenal can take an aging AC Milan side. Keeping key players fit is obviously vital.

:eek:

Everyone says this every year about this "aging" Milan side. To their peril tbh.

oobydooby

MementoMori wrote: »

Not a great draw some good tasty games but some relative duds.

Two from Schalke, Porto, Fenerbache and Seville will be in the last eight, while three from AC Milan, Inter ,Arsenal, Roma, Madrid and Liverpool won't.

Doesn't seem right somehow.

At least it's knock out from now on and the silly country protectionism is gone too. And there are some cracking ties even in this round.

Peyton Manning

jank wrote: »

I think Arsenal can take an aging AC Milan side. Keeping key players fit is obviously vital.

Im sure us United and Liverpool fans will tell you, easier said than done!

Killme00

oobydooby wrote: »

At least it's knock out from now on and the silly country protectionism is gone too. And there are some cracking ties even in this round.

The most boring match of the round will be Inter vs Liverpool

The most exciting will be Arsenal vs Milan

mike65

UEFA draw is from 12.

Mike.

leninbenjamin

my money's on Chelsea being the only British team to get through. Can't wait for this round, hopefully gonna see some very good matches. or at least intriguing.

oobydooby

With Milan and Inter both due to play their home legs second will that have any effect on the dates of matches? Do they always try and leave a few days between matches on the San Siro?

PHB

Celtic V Barca - Barca
Lyon V Man Utd - Man Utd
Schalke V Porto - Schalke (I really hope they do, great club)
Liverpool V Inter - Inter
Roma V Madrid - Madrid
Arsenal V Milan - Milan
Olymp1acos V Chelsea - Chelsea
Fenerbache V Seville - Seville