Just Seen My Old Car for Sale - with lower mileage

Redjeep! · 21-12-2007 12:48am #1

I've just seen my last car for sale (I handed it back to a leasing company), and it's now up for sale with a lower mileage than when I handed it back.

I had been the only driver since new and handed it back in Oct when it had done around 120,000 km, it's now up for sale on the web and it's only done
a little more than 90k.....

funny that isn't it....

GBX · 21-12-2007 12:49am

wheres it on sale? name and shame

Time Magazine · 21-12-2007 12:50am

They obviously drove it around in reverse for a while. No problem with that IMHO.

Redjeep! · 21-12-2007 12:54am

Not going to name and shame I'm afraid, but as I still have a pile of petrol receipts for it that show both the reg and the correct mileage (it was always company policy to record them) I'm thinking of either confronting the garage or else passing them onto the 'authorities'.

I mean, they've clocked it by almost 30k km !!! That's just taking the piss in my book.

Kimbot · 21-12-2007 12:55am

If they are SIMI registered then go to SIMI about the situation.

Redjeep! · 21-12-2007 1:08am

jonny24ie wrote: »

If they are SIMI registered then go to SIMI about the situation.

Done.

cantdecide · 21-12-2007 1:08am

You should aproach them as a potential buyer, produce the evidence and rub their noses in it...

Random · 21-12-2007 1:11am

Redjeep! wrote: »

Not going to name and shame I'm afraid, but as I still have a pile of petrol receipts for it that show both the reg and the correct mileage (it was always company policy to record them) I'm thinking of either confronting the garage or else passing them onto the 'authorities'.

I mean, they've clocked it by almost 30k km !!! That's just taking the piss in my book.

Then go and do it.

HJL · 21-12-2007 1:30am

Redjeep! wrote: »

I had been the only driver since new and handed it back in Oct when it had done around 120,000 km, it's now up for sale on the web and it's only done
a little more than 90k.....

Could it be possible that the '90k' is in Miles rather than Km? You know to make it sound better for a potential buyer? 90k Mls is about 144/145k in Kms? Its just u dont say that the 90k is in kms? So u may wanna just check that out before going in guns blazing. But if there saying that is 90k in kms then go to wherever is the highest place to go and get them done for it. One should be able to buy a car from a dealer in good faith.

fletch · 21-12-2007 10:03am

How long ago is it since you sold the car to them? 120,000km is 74,000miles, is it possible that the car could have covered 16,000miles in that time?

Silent Partner · 21-12-2007 10:17am

Good point by HJL!!

Make sure you have the facts straight. Also, a lot of motor dealers will advertise a car at slightly less mileage than is actually on the vehicle (usually no more than 1,000) or round it off.
But I'd check that it's miles not kilometres first!!

po0k · 21-12-2007 11:16am

Shouldn't it be Kilometers though?
That's what all the kids are into these days...

Redjeep! · 21-12-2007 11:18am

The car is advertised as both 90,000 km or 55,000 miles so it can't be a simple mistake like that.

The odometer is in km and it was around 118,000 km when I gave the car back in October and now it's described on the web as 90,000 km (55,000miles).

I've emailed SIMI, if they don't get back to me then I may just go and check it out myself and point it out to the dealer.

Redjeep! · 21-12-2007 11:30am

Just called SIMI.

To say that they were uninterested would have been an overstatement. They suggested that I may want to call the Director of Consumer Affairs.

Lord Nikon · 21-12-2007 11:41am

SIMI looks after it's own, I'm sure they love their membership fee.

green123 · 21-12-2007 11:46am

ring the gardai
somebody has clocked this car
somebody should be done for this

MarkR · 21-12-2007 11:48am

From www.nca.ie

The Acting Chief Executive of the NCA called on consumers to contact them on 1890 432 432 or through their website www.consumerconnect.ie if they have evidence of car dealers misleading the public regarding a car's history.

Anan1 · 21-12-2007 11:49am

Redjeep! wrote: »

Not going to name and shame I'm afraid

Why on Earth not?

bennyx_o · 21-12-2007 11:51am

Anan1 wrote: »

Why on Earth not?

Thinking the exact same myself.

2qk4u · 21-12-2007 12:17pm

Nane and shame.
Call consumer rights.
Call Gardai.
Call everyone you know.
Call the papers.

biko · 21-12-2007 12:21pm

Link to the website?

GhostInTheRuins · 21-12-2007 12:22pm

Name and shame

Dermo123 · 21-12-2007 12:26pm

Did you go into dealer and see the milage on the clock yourself?
Verify that the car is actually "clocked" rather than advertised incorrectly which could be fobbed off as a clerical error.

Savman · 21-12-2007 12:29pm

If this is true it's quite serious.
I don't see what the problem is by posting a link to the car or whatever. Remember, nobody is suggesting the current seller is guilty of anything but someone, from the time you sold it til now, has interefered with it.

'Name & shame' is dangerous, the OP cannot prove the garage did anything.

But if you're gonna bother starting a whole thread about it, at least back it up with a link to CBG etc. and let people make up their own minds.

galwaytt · 21-12-2007 12:59pm

name and shame, absolutely.

What if some poor sod ends up here, after buying your (ex-)car....? Not fair, that.

post an url to the ad.

Spud83 · 21-12-2007 1:03pm

2qk4u wrote: »

Nane and shame.
Call consumer rights.
Call Gardai.
Call everyone you know.
Call the papers.

Dont forget Joe Duffy, he would love a bit of this.

unkel · 21-12-2007 2:07pm

Redjeep! wrote: »

Not going to name and shame I'm afraid

Any chance you can scan the latest receipt? If so I've no problem with you showing that receipt here and linking to the car ad if that shows both the reg and the mileage as well

It's not the first time by the way that a company has closed because their clocking was exposed here on boards.ie

Rowley Birkin QC · 21-12-2007 3:22pm

Cmmmmonnnnn.

Seriously though naming and shaming right now could save someone here a lot of hassle and money. Due process takes time and producing that receipt and a link could help right now.

Dermo123 · 21-12-2007 3:39pm

A lot of people here are dying for you to name the dealer. However you have to validate that the car has definately being clocked first. Seeing the ad on the web is not good enough. Go to the dealership, look into the car and check the milage reading. If that does not concur ask the dealer if they can explain the difference. If they fob you off only then should alert people to the skullduggery that you have discovered.
Who might be responsible for the incorrect milage would then have to be determined. The consumer affairs would probably be the right people to approach first.

Orange69 · 21-12-2007 4:54pm

Tell us the dealer op, don't be a cock!

John R · 21-12-2007 5:37pm

Dermo123 wrote: »

A lot of people here are dying for you to name the dealer. However you have to validate that the car has definately being clocked first.

Rubbish. It is not up to the OP or any of us to prove if the car has been clocked or who by.

He is simply stating that a car he sold previously at 118,000km is being advertised on the internet at 90,000km.

He says he has documentation showing the mileage and the link to the ad says something different.

BlackWizard · 21-12-2007 6:01pm

Is there no chance that it was a typo?

What if he bought the car from someone else and is entirely innocent?

Silent Partner · 21-12-2007 6:15pm

Most people still advertise car mileage in miles. It's just what people are used to and can relate to.
It'll take a few years for people to get used to kilometers. FFS, how many people still say "pound" instead of "euro"?!? :mad:

I've read through this thread and it seems to me that it could be all a "mountain out of a mole hill". There is every possibility that it could be down to clerical error. You would need to physically see the speedometer to veryify the car had been clocked. If you really want to, the OP should go to the garage in the guise of a buyer. The garage I assume doesn't know who you are as I think you said you dealt through a lease company?

Before you sharpen the pitchforks and warm up the fire under the stake, maybe make sure your facts are absolutely and undeniably 100%.

E92 · 21-12-2007 7:58pm

The OP said that his former car had 118,000 km when he sold it and now the car is being advertised with 90,000 km. I know sometimes on cars with the mileage in kilometres the dealer says the car has x miles instead of x km but the OP said the car is being sold as having done 90,000 km,not 90,000 miles.

What car is it because some cars have the ability to change the mileometer from miles to km and vice versa?

Dermo123 · 21-12-2007 8:00pm

John R wrote: »

Rubbish. It is not up to the OP or any of us to prove if the car has been clocked or who by.

He is simply stating that a car he sold previously at 118,000km is being advertised on the internet at 90,000km.

He says he has documentation showing the mileage and the link to the ad says something different.

So are you saying then that he should name and shame the dealer without validating the facts first? As said already it could be a mistake and unless you work for the gutter press it would be unreasonable to start making accusations in public at this stage.

Redjeep! · 21-12-2007 8:54pm

Dermo123 wrote: »

So are you saying then that he should name and shame the dealer without validating the facts first? As said already it could be a mistake and unless you work for the gutter press it would be unreasonable to start making accusations in public at this stage.

Right folks, let's get this straight, there is no way that I'm going to name and shame the dealer as I don't think that it would be too hard for them to find out who the original owner was and I don't want to piss them off - I really don't want to wake up one morning with a horses head in my bed.

Also, I've thought that:

a) It's quite possible that the car had been clocked before it got to the dealers - it's advertised at a fairly large multi site dealers, who I would have hoped would have been ethical.
b) It's a simple clerical error, but as the car is advertised in both Km and miles then I think that this is unlikely, and would show a fairly determined level of incompetence. I think that the mileage thats advertised on the car is about when it had it's last service - which by pure coincidence would have been the last time it was officially recorded.

I may take a drive to go and check the car sometime over Christmas and see what its really showing. If the odometer really is less than it used to be then I may well take it further.

TheBigLebowski · 21-12-2007 9:01pm

And what if I buy the car tomorrow. I will not be best pleased with you.

bennyx_o · 21-12-2007 9:02pm

I reckon you should name and shame the dealer, but before you do take a trip and make sure it has been clocked first.

Keith186 · 21-12-2007 9:07pm

Call out to them to make sure it's the same reg too if it's not on the pictures.

Redjeep! · 21-12-2007 9:07pm

TheBigLebowski wrote: »

And what if I buy the car tomorrow. I will not be best pleased with you.

Hey, it's not me that clocked it, so don't get bent out of shape with me.

There's no way that I can name and shame until I know for sure what the full story is and even then I think that the more productive plan will be to report it to either the guards or the consumer folks.

Redjeep! · 21-12-2007 9:10pm

I'm 100% positive that it's the same car - the reg is clear and there's multiple photos - I can even make out the wear in the carpet and the car kit that I had fitted.

bennyx_o · 21-12-2007 9:10pm

I think TBL was saying the fact you knew it was clocked (if it is) and didn't name the dealer would annoy him

Redjeep! · 21-12-2007 9:14pm

bennyx_o wrote: »

I think TBL was saying the fact you knew it was clocked (if it is) and didn't name the dealer would annoy him

I agree with that, the problem is that I don't know for sure it's been clocked and even then, don't know that the dealer did it. I think that the papertrail on that car would be easy to work out for the guards as I have petrol receipts, the lease company presumably have documents as to when they sold it and the dealer must have some purchase record.

Somebody just needs to work it out.

chris85 · 21-12-2007 9:18pm

Give the Op a break guys, How would you feel if you owned a garage and got in this car and it had been clocked before you got it. I bet you wouldnt like it so much if you were named and shamed for no fault of your own.

OP, check the car out in person and if your suspicisions are correct then report it to Gardai or Consumer Affairs. This way the person who clocked the car may be found as it may not be the dealer.

No point in naming and shaming a garage that may be perfectly ethical. They may not be, we just dont know

bennyx_o · 21-12-2007 9:20pm

Redjeep! wrote: »

I agree with that, the problem is that I don't know for sure it's been clocked and even then, don't know that the dealer did it. I think that the papertrail on that car would be easy to work out for the guards as I have petrol receipts, the lease company presumably have documents as to when they sold it and the dealer must have some purchase record.

Somebody just needs to work it out.

I totally agree with what you're saying, which is why I said check to make sure it's clocked before you name the dealer.

TheBigLebowski · 21-12-2007 9:29pm

The authorities, most likely, will not give a sheeeite. Isn't there some loophole that says it's not illegal to sell a clocked car unless they tell you it's genuine mileage. As the poster the said, SIMI didn't give a hoot and even if someone does take it up, it'll take a good while for it to get sorted, so the only way the OP can stop this car selling to one of us is by telling us the car, but clearly that person is too cowardly to tell us...

Redjeep! · 21-12-2007 9:36pm

TheBigLebowski wrote: »

The authorities, most likely, will not give a sheeeite. Isn't there some loophole that says it's not illegal to sell a clocked car unless they tell you it's genuine mileage. As the poster the said, SIMI didn't give a hoot and even if someone does take it up, it'll take a good while for it to get sorted, so the only way the OP can stop this car selling to one of us is by telling us the car, but clearly that person is too cowardly to tell us...

TBL - you could try having somebody read out to you what I've written and why I don't think it's a good idea before you start throwing insults around.

JHMEG · 21-12-2007 9:37pm

Redjeep: just go and look at the fecking car will ya. You haven't seen your old car: you seen an ad for your old car. (Are you from around KK or WX?)

The ad is probably a typo and the car's not clocked and there's no story.

Jeez a 3 page thread over what.. An internet ad that's probably wrong?

TheBigLebowski · 21-12-2007 9:41pm

Redjeep! wrote: »

TBL - you could try having somebody read out to you what I've written and why I don't think it's a good idea before you start throwing insults around.

I read what you wrote. You wrote "I don't want to wake up with a horses head in my bed" or something to that effect...

E92 · 21-12-2007 10:20pm

TheBigLebowski wrote: »

Isn't there some loophole that says it's not illegal to sell a clocked car unless they tell you it's genuine mileage.

It is NOT illegal to clock a car. It IS illegal to sell on a clocked car.

TheBigLebowski · 21-12-2007 10:32pm

E92 wrote: »

It is NOT illegal to clock a car. It IS illegal to sell on a clocked car.

But what if you tell the person you're selling it to that the car is clocked?

Just Seen My Old Car for Sale - with lower mileage

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