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Graingers of Clontarf to close.

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  • 23-12-2007 1:01am
    #1
    sunnyjim
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    More bloody apartments.


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    #2
    Huggles
    Registered Users Posts: 3,408 ✭✭✭Huggles


    Just opposite griffith avenue?

    I didnt see any planning permission for apartments. Plus there is a whole block of shops there, are they going too?


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    sunnyjim
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭sunnyjim


    No, its just graingers pub. The new mandarine is staying.

    It's being knocked down, built into apartments, then graingers is being reopened in the basement. It's just not the same though.


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    mikemac
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    So people will buy an apartment and have a pub directly beneath them?
    I wouldn't buy an apartment like that, sure if the smoking area is near your window you'd get no peace


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    Huggles
    Registered Users Posts: 3,408 ✭✭✭Huggles


    Thats appalling the site is tiny for apartments and the access would be a nightmare right on the malahide Road.

    Ugh


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    Dub13
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    Crazy,thats not a bad spot for a pint.


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    sunnyjim
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    It's a disaster. Where am I supposed to drink?! :eek:

    To be honest though, the Grainger family aren't all that old, so I'm sort of suprised! Although, it'll lose a fair bit of business when Paddy O'Gara retires again!!
    Paddy O'Gara, the Barman wrote:
    What can I do you for sir?

    Love that guy!!


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    _blank_
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    Dub13 wrote: »
    Crazy,thats not a bad spot for a pint.
    Nah, I used to drink there from about 97-'02 and it did be hoppin' every weekend, but then Barcode came along, and that was that for the "disco bar" around the area. They never really got over that, imo.

    They also shelled out a fair bit to buy The Sheaf O' Wheat off Guinness, over five million pounds iirc. First thing they did to the Sheaf was remove the jukebox, for some inexplicable reason. The crowd left. This was probably to do with the opening of Hamunaptra in the Blacker though.

    Then there was the fire in Grainger's Baldoyle, it cost them a fair bit to renovate after that too.

    So, the outlay for the Sheaf, the loss of business in both Marino and Coolock, and the fire and loss of crowd in Baldoyle probably meant the family took a huge financial hit.

    I can kind of see the reasoning behind this, but as I said in the other thread, it's bloody madness to go trying to build and sell apartments in the current climate.

    Therefore, I think the Graingers, if this is indeed true, just don't like having money.

    Don't forget, the Goblet was rumoured to be going the same way earlier in the year too, sold for apartments, incorporating a smaller bar underneath, but they've done a complete U-Turn and are now doing the whole place up, with possibly the entire upstairs being exclusively a restaurant.
    sunnyjim wrote: »
    It's a disaster. Where am I supposed to drink?! :eek:
    Koko Kavanagh's tbh, just up the road. Lovely pints in there, and the bar staff are second to none, imo.
    sunnyjim wrote: »
    To be honest though, the Grainger family aren't all that old, so I'm sort of suprised! Although, it'll lose a fair bit of business when Paddy O'Gara retires again!!



    Love that guy!!
    I hate that guy.

    Pulls a brutal pint, is too slow, and can't remember your order. Either when you ask for it, or when he's ringing it in. If you are getting in a round of more than five drinks, and move some down to the table before he's finished the order, he does have to ask you what you got, then goes back to the till and looks over his shoulder for each drink, and looks at you to prompt him.

    Yeah, I'm all for old school barstaff, who have served their time, but this guy should just retire for good tbh.


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    An Citeog
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    Was in Graingers on Christmas Eve and it was fairly decent. Only problem was that the New Mandarin closed before we left! :( I prefer Kavanaghs though.

    On a side note, anyone know what's happening with Kelly's in Fairview? Used to be a great pub for a quiet pint and a bit of food before it was taken over and subsequently closed down. Supposedly, they're converting the upstairs of the Goose on Sion Hill Road into apartments aswell.


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    raheny red
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    An Citeog wrote: »

    On a side note, anyone know what's happening with Kelly's in Fairview? Used to be a great pub for a quiet pint and a bit of food before it was taken over and subsequently closed down.

    Think it opened briefly after the shooting but since then it hasn't opened for any length of time afaik.


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    Sorted
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    Just came across the piece below in online Irish Times from last April, where Graingers got planning permission for this development. Anybody know what's happening with it now? There's no sign of building work..

    (Also, re title of this post, Grainger's address is Clontarf not Marino. Marino is on the opposite side of the Malahide Road.)



    DECISION TO GRANT

    Location: junction of Malahide Rd and Marino Ave (site addresses Malahide Rd to east and Marino Ave to south, incorporating 74 Malahide Rd - Grainger's pub - 72 and 70 Malahide Rd and 1, 2, 3 and 4 Marino Ave, D3. Proposed development: 17 residential units, and 705sq m (7,590sq ft) of commercial space for pub, off-licence, café/shop and office use. Demolish all structures on site. Pub at basement and ground floor with off-licence. Shop/café unit and offices at first floor. Five apartments at first and second floors. Three-storey terrace for four one-beds at ground floor and four two-bed duplexes above. Four townhouses, 22 parking spaces and site works. Applicant: Mark and Paddy Grainger.


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    Degsy
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    There's at least two pubs in finglas closed "for a partments" but the apartments arent being built.Turns out nobody wants the bleeding things after all.


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    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    My local, Campions (Malahide Rd) was due to close also.

    Thank the sweet baby Jesus its not now being sold to property developers.


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    monkeyfudge
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    I think they were planning to put apartments over the Sheaf at one point as well. Don't think the planning permission ever went through for them though.


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    monkeyfudge wrote: »
    I think they were planning to put apartments over the Sheaf at one point as well. Don't think the planning permission ever went through for them though.
    Residents put a stop to that.


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    A-Train
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    Des wrote: »
    Residents put a stop to that.

    No I only heard yesterday that they have finally got planning permission for the apartments. My friend was in Purple Rain (he has kids doesn't get out much) on Saturday night and was talking to a barman and he said the sheaf was being knocked for apartments. Can't see how there going to go ahead with in these times.


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    Sorted
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    Going back to topic...any news re the Graingers development? Anyone??? :)


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    humberklog
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Personally I don't think that even Huey would be mental enough to start building in the current climate. Even if the clan lost all reason the bank that would be required to back it kinda have their plate full at the moment.


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    MadsL
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    Des wrote: »
    Residents put a stop to that.

    http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/wphappcriteria.display?aSearchKey=914356
    6351/07
    APPEAL WITHDRAWN
    Appeal Decision Date 19-Jun-2008


    Until they got 'talking'(*) with the developer apparently...

    (*) Draw your own conclusions. This post does infer, imply or indicate anything except that the appeal was withdrawn.


    As for the Sheaf
    3605/08

    Planning permission for development on a site of 2,560sqm (0.64 acres) located at the junction of Coolock Village, Beechpark Avenue and Chanel Grove roads and including the public house 'Sheaf of Wheat';


    There were 23 odd objections lodged (which costs €20 each), however the Planner granted permission on 11 November. This can of course be appealed to An Bord Pleanála probably with a dealine of about the 11th December - appeals cost €220 (we are only country in the EU to charge a fee :mad: )


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