Stuck Up Irish women who think they are hot

St Bill

speaktofrank wrote: »

I have not dated an Irish girl since I left college....5 years ago. Some are good craic alright, the decent looking ones seem to know it and won't be content you feel until Colin Farell/some guy from Westlife discovers them and falls madly in love.
I have been out with French/Spanish/American/Polish/Australian girls and even the best looking ones have not been up themselves. Yet everytime I come back here it's always the same story. I find it easier chatting up foreign girls rather than Irish girls.
Why is that? Does anyone feel the same or have the same experiences? I've dated some gorgeous foreign girls yet if those same girls were Irish they would not give me the time of day, never mind tell me be on my way.

Maybe those Irish women you were chatting up just weren't nice people? I've met many men like that, hell I even dated an Irish man who thought my sister's boobs were something to talk about :rolleyes:. (We're married now with 15 small boobed children)
However I still do not think that ALL Irish men are asses or pig ignorant (they're lovable rogues ). Despite my bad experiences with SOME Irish men, I do not feel the need to loudly complain about ALL Irish men on a public forum.
To those lads who complain about Irish women....you're going to be around for a long time, so you might as well realise now that not everyone is going to live up to your self serving standards. It's easier to realise that not everyone is 'perfect' (or whatever your version of perfect is!)

St Bill

metrovelvet wrote: »

From a foreigners perspective, I find Irish women a little brittle, like the need management. Also they are either totally subservient or complete overbearing controlling pains in the asses.

I find the men well... not very woman friendly.

I think the reason you find Irish women brittle and Irish men not very woman friendly is because you make sweeping generalisations just like this one.

Laslo

metrovelvet wrote: »

You probably hate everybody.

That's a coincidence. Every time I see you posting on Boards, that's the general impression I get from you. I understand that you may not have met many friends over here but what do you expect carrying on the way you do? If you treat every man here like he's not "woman friendly" by proxy, than it's no wonder he's not friendly to you.

Wertz

metrovelvet wrote: »

How long ago were you in the US?

Nowadays with **** buddies, casual sex etc, etc its the last bastion of knowing where you stand. Bear in mind also that we have been living in a conservative age. The next election could change all this.

And its not "stuff" - its just meals really.

99-2000

Yeah by stuff I meant meals, bar tab, cinema. Bear in mind that I wasn't exactly rolling around in money at the time but I'd always put my hand in my pocket or offer to...that said, I was around college age as were any women I was seeing.

You Suck!

I have been out with French/Spanish/American/Polish/Australian girls and even the best looking ones have not been up themselves. Yet everytime I come back here it's always the same story. I find it easier chatting up foreign girls rather than Irish girls.
Why is that? Does anyone feel the same or have the same experiences? I've dated some gorgeous foreign girls yet if those same girls were Irish they would not give me the time of day, never mind tell me be on my way.

Yep, same experiance. I've no gripes with Irish women now that Im no longer in the country, hell the Irish women I know now that I've left are top notch, not to mention the sad fact that we are talking in a very general sense here from one side of the fense when in fact there are many quality people out there. Thing is tho, in the three months I've left, I've been luckier in those three months then three years in Ireland and with altogether more positive experiances.

Thats a coincidence I find hard to discount......I blame the weather and the wealth.

Sir Oxman

Karlusss wrote: »

People misjudging their own attractiveness is always hilarious.

Leads to ridiculous clothing, impoliteness, being easy to make up for not actually being attractive, etc.

For both sexes.

They should learn to hug the wall and stare at the beer like the rest of us.

Haha +1

JC 2K3

metrovelvet wrote: »

Nowadays with **** buddies, casual sex etc, etc its the last bastion of knowing where you stand. Bear in mind also that we have been living in a conservative age. The next election could change all this.

Maybe you might start to embrace communication as a method of knowing where you stand?

metaoblivia

I'm an American woman, and when it comes to the point metrovelvet is making about cultural differences, I understand. Most of the American men I've dated will not only pay for my meals/movie tickets, they will not allow me to pay for my half, even when I insist. I always put my card on the table when it comes time to pay, but they won't have it. In fact the last time I was out with a group of guys, they asked if I wanted a drink, and I declined - they bought me one anyway, "just in case" I changed my mind. I don't carry cash with me, so I couldn't pay them back, and I haven't met up with them since.
Moonbaby does have a point about where that comes from. Although it not only harkens back to prostitution in the old days, but also the fact that there just weren't that many women living out on the frontier, so the men had to compete.
Now I can't really comment on whether Irish men or women are this or that. From the sounds of it, the OP is just making a mountain out of a molehill, though.

MagicMarker

metaoblivia wrote: »

I'm an American woman, and when it comes to the point metrovelvet is making about cultural differences, I understand. Most of the American men I've dated will not only pay for my meals/movie tickets, they will not allow me to pay for my half, even when I insist. I always put my card on the table when it comes time to pay, but they won't have it. In fact the last time I was out with a group of guys, they asked if I wanted a drink, and I declined - they bought me one anyway, "just in case" I changed my mind. I don't carry cash with me, so I couldn't pay them back, and I haven't met up with them since.
Moonbaby does have a point about where that comes from. Although it not only harkens back to prostitution in the old days, but also the fact that there just weren't that many women living out on the frontier, so the men had to compete.
Now I can't really comment on whether Irish men or women are this or that. From the sounds of it, the OP is just making a mountain out of a molehill, though.

I've been out with women who would not allow me to pay for them and would be insulted if i did. If you really wanted to pay your own way, then you would. It's not a case of men ''not allowing'' you to pay, it's you allowing a man to pay.

Regarding the drink, meh.. Happens everywhere, doesn't really come into this particular debate.

metaoblivia

MagicMarker wrote: »

I've been out with women who would not allow me to pay for them and would be insulted if i did. If you really wanted to pay your own way, then you would. It's not a case of men ''not allowing'' you to pay, it's you allowing a man to pay.

Regarding the drink, meh.. Happens everywhere, doesn't really come into this particular debate.

I'm just sharing my experiences with the board. There's no need to talk down to me or to suggest that your view of how women and men should interact is any better than mine. It's just a different attitude toward dating. That's all I was pointing out.

Eglinton

I'm about to embark on my annual trip round the pubs and clubs of the small town where I'm from. There's no better time or place to observe "stuck up Irish women who think they're hot"

Big fish in the small pond syndrome

Pigman II

Based on a true story

MagicMarker

metaoblivia wrote: »

I'm just sharing my experiences with the board. There's no need to talk down to me or to suggest that your view of how women and men should interact is any better than mine. It's just a different attitude toward dating. That's all I was pointing out.

I wasn't speaking down to you or saying my views were better. I'm just saying no one forces you or any other woman to do anything you don't want to do. Paying your way, or not in this case, included.

Ive come to the conclusion AH has a large amount of socially retarded people. They especially gather in these sort of threads.

You can just see the angst dripping off these threads

metaoblivia

MagicMarker wrote: »

I wasn't speaking down to you or saying my views were better. I'm just saying no one forces you or any other woman to do anything you don't want to do. Paying your way, or not in this case, included.

I've had men steal my card and not give it back until the waiter has taken the bill. Just as you've known women who are insulted when a man wants to pay their way, I've known men who are insulted when I offer to pay my way.
The offer is there - if the man doesn't want to pay for my dinner, he should have the balls to say so. A few have, and they didn't get any less as a result. As for the others, if they like playing chivalrous, far be it for me to stand in their way.
By the way, the worst offender in my experience was actually an Irish friend I went to grad school with. He insists on paying for everything every time we go out, and because he's married and we're not dating, I will not allow it. It's led to heated arguments.

MagicMarker

metaoblivia wrote: »

I've had men steal my card and not give it back until the waiter has taken the bill. Just as you've known women who are insulted when a man wants to pay their way, I've known men who are insulted when I offer to pay my way.
The offer is there - if the man doesn't want to pay for my dinner, he should have the balls to say so. A few have, and they didn't get any less as a result. As for the others, if they like playing chivalrous, far be it for me to stand in their way.
By the way, the worst offender in my experience was actually an Irish friend I went to grad school with. He insists on paying for everything every time we go out, and because he's married and we're not dating, I will not allow it. It's led to heated arguments.

Like i said, you (women in general) are not forced into anything.

I'm not saying men paying for things is wrong, of course not! but at least admit it rather than say men ''don't allow'' you to pay.

Terry

ronoc wrote: »

Ive come to the conclusion AH has a large amount of socially retarded people. They especially gather in these sort of threads.

You can just see the angst dripping off these threads

I completely agree.
The only people who get where I'm coming from are my friends and only because they have known me for a long time.

To other people, I am socially retarded.

I tend to rub people up the wrong way, but not purposely.

That being said, if the attitudes toward women by some of the people here are true, then I'm probably far more socially advanced than quite a lot of the people here.

metaoblivia

I like how you conveniently ignored the first part of my response...;)
I understand where you're coming from, truly, and 'forced' probably wasn't the best word choice on my part. I'm just saying it's not always as easy to pay your own way when someone is insisting to pay for you. I'm pretty laid back when it comes to these things, so it's kind of whatever goes with me. He can pay or not - doesn't really matter. But most are just happy that I offer. My American girl friends are like, "What? You offer to pay?!" :eek:

MagicMarker

metaoblivia wrote: »

I like how you conveniently ignored the first part of my response...;)
I understand where you're coming from, truly, and 'forced' probably wasn't the best word choice on my part. I'm just saying it's not always as easy to pay your own way when someone is insisting to pay for you. I'm pretty laid back when it comes to these things, so it's kind of whatever goes with me. He can pay or not - doesn't really matter. But most are just happy that I offer. My American girl friends are like, "What? You offer to pay?!" :eek:

Kool and the gang so.

St Bill

Eglinton wrote: »

Big fish in the small pond syndrome

Ah I wouldn't say you're a big fish in a small pond, more a loudmouth who'll try to get off with one of the local girls tonight

Hydroquinone

elambra wrote: »

Now normally I wouldn't care about things like this but I was sober, and I am just home for christmas, having lived abroad for the last 3.5 years, and I find that, whilst the standard of Irish women is very very low compared to nearly every country I have visited, they are the most stuck up and just think they are god's gift to the world when in fact a large amount of them are just unattractive (physically and personally) moany holes obsessed with british celebrities and food.

Are you normally scuttered?
If so, all these foreign women might well have been just as poor as you think the Irish ones are - you just had your beer goggles on.

digitalninja

Irish people don't look after their bodies. That's why they're put to shame in the looks dept internationally.

I had a Dutch friend come over and comment that Ireland was the ugliest nation she'd encountered. I agree with her.

Pigman II

digitalninja wrote: »

I had a Dutch friend come over and comment that Ireland was the ugliest nation she'd encountered. I agree with her.

That's ironic. The dutch have to be the ugliest looking nation on the face of the earth.

Mr.Micro

digitalninja wrote: »

Irish people don't look after their bodies. That's why they're put to shame in the looks dept internationally.

I had a Dutch friend come over and comment that Ireland was the ugliest nation she'd encountered. I agree with her.

Well I have to say that the Dutch have never been considered as a handsome race by any standard,often described as plain.

digitalninja

Pigman II wrote: »

That's ironic. The dutch have to be the ugliest looking nation on the face of the earth.

Haha, as someone who lived there for a year I can tell you you're completely wrong. The cultural melting pot over there has produced some of the finest examples of how beautiful mixed raced people can be.

You're supposed to spread the genepool, because we never had an empire we never spread it.

Pigman II

digitalninja wrote: »

Haha, as someone who lived there for a year I can tell you you're completely wrong. The cultural melting pot over there has produced some of the finest examples of how beautiful mixed raced people can be.

You're supposed to spread the genepool, because we never had an empire we never spread it.

You're not another one of those "ya got mix it all up to get results" guys are ya?

I know two blokes who subscribe to that theory. Coincidentally neither could pull a decent looking white burd.

digitalninja

Yes I am, and coincidentally I have a beautiful white girlfriend, not that skin colour has anything to do with it.

Laslo

digitalninja wrote: »

Haha, as someone who lived there for a year I can tell you you're completely wrong.

Haha. As someone who lived there for over 8 years, I can tell you you're completely wrong. Dutch people are very nice - but they're munters. You can tell your friend "Onnozel niet is". Although I suspect you're talking through your hat.

Sir Oxman

Laslo wrote: »

Haha. As someone who lived there for over 8 years, I can tell you you're completely wrong. Dutch people are very nice - but they're munters. You can tell your friend "Onnozel niet is". Although I suspect you're talking through your hat.

Lived there for a year and have to agree - the Dutch are not the best lookers in the world so yer mans Dutch friend was talking through her van Gogh.
I'd put them on the same level as us tbh.

Ginny

Since a lot of this seems to be in bars maybe thats your problem.
as for

"stand the two beside each other and see if you chose the Irish one"

next time you're in the gym stand beside an eastern european bloke and figure out which one an Irish girl will choose.
I'm sick to death of all this Irish/dublin women bashing all of it seem to be centered around meeting girls in pubs or clubs and thats the bloody problem, oh and the boorish grabby nature of some blokes in clubs make the nice girls wary of most blokes.
As for the OP sounds like he was the rude one pushing his way by on the stairs, I still don't get how the 2 girls were rude to him.

Wertz

ronoc wrote: »

Ive come to the conclusion AH has a large amount of socially retarded people. They especially gather in these sort of threads.

You've been a member for nearly 6 yrs and you're only just now figuring this out?

moco

Reg'stoy wrote: »

While I may not agree with the OP's premise based on his fleeting meeting with these two girls on the stairs, I have to agree with his main point partly Irish women while not being hot are indeed full of themselves. I normally don't like making broad sweeping statements like that but in this case it can not be avoided.

Let's look at the case for the prosecution,
Irish women and fashion
One word, midriff as in muffin rolls, case proven your honor.
Irish women and alcohol
Now as a male I know my gender fails when it comes to this subject, yet for some strange reason Irish women try to out do us in the sheer amount consumed in as short a time as possible.
Irish women and their attitude to Irish men
Most of my male friends scrub up fairly well, as in we keep reasonably fit shower regularly etc and so put in the effort but and again I am forced to make generalisations, Irish women view us as a meal ticket. The bar is a distant land never visited, resturant bills a see no evil pay no evil subject and lets not even visit the whole taxi issue.

A friend has been completely turned off dating Irish women (he now only dates women from eastern europe) because and I quote "stand the two beside each other and see if you chose the Irish one"

Now before the hopping off me begins ladies, prove me wrong. How many of ye do venture to that far off place called the bar or use your credit card to pay for anything other than something for yourself and why oh why am I made to feel like I'm belittling ye when I hold open a door or offer a seat on the bus.

That is all a load of bollocks (apart from the alcohol bit I suppose).

I dunno where you find girls like that, I certainly don't know any.

Sir Oxman

GinnyJo wrote: »

Since a lot of this seems to be in bars maybe thats your problem.
as for next time you're in the gym stand beside an eastern european bloke and figure out which one an Irish girl will choose.
I'm sick to death of all this Irish/dublin women bashing all of it seem to be centered around meeting girls in pubs or clubs and thats the bloody problem, oh and the boorish grabby nature of some blokes in clubs make the nice girls wary of most blokes.
As for the OP sounds like he was the rude one pushing his way by on the stairs, I still don't get how the 2 girls were rude to him.

No doubt they'd choose the ripped, skinheaded EE.

But in my experience, there are not that many Irish women with EE blokes.
It is a majority the other way (Irish bloke with EE supermodel) ;-)
Again, in my experience.

Sir Oxman

moco wrote: »

That is all a load of bollocks (apart from the alcohol bit I suppose).

I dunno where you find girls like that, I certainly don't know any.

The rolypoly ugly ugly midriff is rampant but only amongst the skanger class (thank fcuk)
The *women lashing back alcohol bit is true - disgustingly true. That is where they let themselves down. Plus the resultant mouths like dockers. Total turnoff for anyone. (I'm sure the reverse is true but seeing as **blokes know no better...)

*As always, not every woman but quite a few.
**Not all blokes especially bookworms.

kittykitty2

Reg'stoy wrote: »

Now before the hopping off me begins ladies, prove me wrong. How many of ye do venture to that far off place called the bar or use your credit card to pay for anything other than something for yourself and why oh why am I made to feel like I'm belittling ye when I hold open a door or offer a seat on the bus.

In all my relationhips I've ensured that when I went out to the pub or a nightclub with my bf, that I've bought him drinks at the bar as well as the other way round, offered to go 50/50 on taxies, bought him cinema tickets and let him pay for a meal, etc. etc. It's only common courtesy.Also, my girlfriends and I open doors for one another, yet again , an example of mere common courtesy, not exclusively practiced by guys for girls. I can accept that some Irish women have no manners. The same goes for some men!:mad:

Raekwon

GinnyJo wrote: »

as for next time you're in the gym stand beside an eastern european bloke and figure out which one an Irish girl will choose.

The Eastern European bloke with the huge pecks and personality of a lamp-post *possibly???

But the real questions is: Would an Eastern European bloke choose an Irish girl?

I seriously doubt it

(*After a quick credit check)

Chinafoot

GinnyJo wrote: »

As for the OP sounds like he was the rude one pushing his way by on the stairs, I still don't get how the 2 girls were rude to him.

Agreed.

Chances are the first girl was being friendly trying to bring the OP into the conversation, or perhaps trying to do a bit of match-making for her friend with the nice dress. The friend with the nice dress puts no pass on this and continues chatting to her mate about her dress only to find that the random bloke is no longer behind them but now walking in between her and her mate. Not wanting to get drawn into a conversation with a possibly drunk man she has no interest in she gently tells him to go on ahead.

Dude, the only rude, stuck up person in this scenario is you. You could have waited until they got to the top of the stairs instead of trying to shove past them and her telling you to move along does not in any way, shape or form mean she thinks she's hot and that you wanted her.

Sir Oxman

Chinafoot wrote: »

Agreed.

Chances are the first girl was being friendly trying to bring the OP into the conversation, or perhaps trying to do a bit of match-making for her friend with the nice dress. The friend with the nice dress puts no pass on this and continues chatting to her mate about her dress only to find that the random bloke is no longer behind them but now walking in between her and her mate. Not wanting to get drawn into a conversation with a possibly drunk man she has no interest in she gently tells him to go on ahead.

Dude, the only rude, stuck up person in this scenario is you. You could have waited until they got to the top of the stairs instead of trying to shove past them and her telling you to move along does not in any way, shape or form mean she thinks she's hot and that you wanted her.

Funny how things read differently to people.
I understood the Op perfectly well.

Chinafoot

delah wrote: »

Funny how things read differently to people.
I understood the Op perfectly well.

Yes, the OP said he was sober. How was the girl in question to know that? They were in a pub and here's this guy who won't wait until they get to the top of the stairs and instead gets in between her and her mate. Personally I'd think the person was either drunk or very rude.

Wertz

Without verging OT it's pretty annoying when people clog up a stairwell chit chatting and idling along...a lot like those people walking in front of you in a busy street that just stop dead to do something without bothering to look behind them. The OP only had to say "excuse me" though.

Sir Oxman

Chinafoot wrote: »

Yes, the OP said he was sober. How was the girl in question to know that? They were in a pub and here's this guy who won't wait until they get to the top of the stairs and instead gets in between her and her mate. Personally I'd think the person was either drunk or very rude.

And without being picky, the OP also stated that he didn't initiate any conversation.

Stairwells aren't for stalling unless you're trying it on (clue: The OP wasn't)

St Bill

Those girls must've been waiting ages in the stairwell for the OP to turn up

quackquackBOOM

elambra wrote: »

.... I wasn't at all concentrating on looking at them, I just wanted to get back upstairs to my gf and her mates.

this here is the problem,he has no sense of humour and subsequently has no mates of his own

This people is not a serious comment and should be taken lightly

1huge1

Raekwon wrote: »

The Eastern European bloke with the huge pecks and personality of a lamp-post *possibly???

But the real questions is: Would an Eastern European bloke choose an Irish girl?

I seriously doubt it

(*After a quick credit check)

exactly

challengemaster

Wimmin, eh?:rolleyes:

Acid_Violet

Wibbs wrote: »

Yep. Have to agree here. Irish women are fatter and less toned than the mediteranians or eastern Europeans in general. Walk into a Milan/Parisian/Madridian/etc clothes shop and check out the sizes on the racks. Do the same here. Compare and contrast. Also you tend to get skinny with no hips or fat with no hips, shapely seem to have been lost in the mix. Probably a gene pool thing.

You're both right and wrong, imho. A huge amount of irish women (myself includd, I'll admit) are quite lazy, dare I say many irish men are too? And the food we eat is utter crap. No wonder diabetes is becoming the most common disease here.

But irish people are meant to be just that little bit bigger than the Mediteranians because of the climate, we need a little bit more insulation, and regarding body size they just are smaller, smaller frames, that's the main reason for smaller sizes. In italy for one they've all big hips but no boobs, a lot of us and the brits too are complete opposites. Just some diversity.

jam_mac_jam

GinnyJo wrote: »

Since a lot of this seems to be in bars maybe thats your problem.
as for next time you're in the gym stand beside an eastern european bloke and figure out which one an Irish girl will choose.
I'm sick to death of all this Irish/dublin women bashing all of it seem to be centered around meeting girls in pubs or clubs and thats the bloody problem, oh and the boorish grabby nature of some blokes in clubs make the nice girls wary of most blokes.
As for the OP sounds like he was the rude one pushing his way by on the stairs, I still don't get how the 2 girls were rude to him.

Excellent point, I am sick of listening to it as well, you would think that all irish men are fantastic the way they go on.

Tha Gopher

delah wrote: »

No doubt they'd choose the ripped, skinheaded EE.

Would they?

My area is according to the last census around 30% foreign (not all EE admittedtly, but Id reckon maybe 20% with the remainder mainly Nigerian).

Im not sure Ive seen an EE getting a drunken feel with an Irish girl in a local pub/nightclub let alone going out with one. Do Irish women stereotype them all as alcoholic wife beaters? Or do they just plain not fancy them?

Id reckon plenty of EE men would want an Irish girl, why wouldnt they? Saying that I dont really know a huge amount. Although there are plenty in my workplace there are relatively few Poles in my actual dept, we have a much higher amount of other foreigners, but most of them rate Irish women quite well so I wouldnt assume there is a huge difference. iirc theres a few of the Poles on boards who arrived before the big migration who have one. Probably out of necessity, if you lived here 9 years ago when you had no fellow Polish friends to go to Polish house parties with where you could drink Polish beer, smoke weed grown in Poland, and listen to Polish hardhouse and techno while talking in Polish to Polish women drunk on Polish vodka, then you had to branch out into your Irish locale a bit more.

Apart from Slovaks/Czechs I find that this obsession with EE women is some type of online nerd thing anyway*. Any convo Ive had with the lads revolves around mad ideas about how attractive they assume the average French or Spanish woman is from having watched the odd James Bond flick (and believe me, the throngs of stunning 17/18 year old students from Spain in Dublin every summer do not look like that 8 years down the line for some bizarre reason ). Typical conversation might mention Asian (or more specifically south east asian), Latino and Med, but, apart from the old Czechslovakia, not a whole pile else. I honestly wonder where some of you folks work, I really do.

*: I realise the irony of saying this online....on a Friday night....but ffs NYE is next Monday

jam_mac_jam

As for the mid drift comments, you dont see many Eastern European men or men from Southern Europe with the huge beer bellies that you see on irish men in their twenties or thirties. You wouldnt catch a french or Italian man walking round in a track suit. Yet its Irish women you are not good looking enough you must be having a laugh. Irish men are much fatter and take much less care of themselves then anyone in Europe other then perhaps the English.

Ginny

1huge1 wrote: »

exactly

Hmmmmm must be just the guys in my gym hitting on all the irish girls then....:rolleyes: