Wednesday/Thursdsay Prem Games (cold turkey optional)

homerjay2005 · 26-12-2007 5:27pm

jaysus, derby equalise against liverpool.

_blank_ · 26-12-2007 5:28pm

If Pompey can hold the Arse tonight, it'll be a smashing day for ManYoo.

PHB · 26-12-2007 5:29pm

United only seem to come alive when Sunderland get the ball back, in general they are extremely lack about this game in the second half.
Indeed, come on Derby. If they drop points points here, it'll become a top 2 race for sure. Would be very surprised to see it happen though.

_blank_ · 26-12-2007 5:30pm

They can afford to be PHB.

No point over exerting yourself in a game like that, at 3-0.

PHB · 26-12-2007 5:31pm

Oh I agree, except I think that these players bar Rooney aren't first choice, so they should be trying to make an effort. Some are, but some aren't. Carrick and Fletcher doesn't seem up for the fight for a place much to be honest.

Unearthly · 26-12-2007 5:33pm

DesF wrote: »

If Pompey can hold the Arse tonight, it'll be a smashing day for ManYoo.

Definitly

Would be too good to happen though

ROFLMAOCOPTER @ Pool

PHB · 26-12-2007 5:35pm

Pique comes on, hope they can keep a clean sheet.

Rooney to be honest still looks nowhere near his best. I was kinda hoping the goal would kick start him again, but he still might be a game or two away from his top form.

abelard · 26-12-2007 5:48pm

4-0 Saha, penalty

~Rebel~ · 26-12-2007 6:25pm

When does the African Nations start?

Chelsea are in real trouble now. With Carvalho and Cole facing 3 match bans, Terry injured, Lamps off injured, Drogba recovering from surgery and then off to AN and Essien and Mikel off shortly...

PHB · 26-12-2007 6:41pm

Yeh, Chelsea are gona get really really really really streched. I'm quite hopeful thats them done for the year now.

Unearthly · 26-12-2007 6:46pm

PHB wrote: »

Yeh, Chelsea are gona get really really really really streched. I'm quite hopeful thats them done for the year now.

Unfortunately I can see a backlash in the summer with Abramovich going back to his huge spending.

PHB · 26-12-2007 6:48pm

Also in January too

Peyton Manning · 26-12-2007 10:47pm

Arsenal in dropping points outside of London shocker!!

mike65 · 26-12-2007 11:08pm

Do Arsenal have many players in the ANC?

Mike.

therecklessone · 26-12-2007 11:10pm

mike65 wrote: »

Do Arsenal have many players in the ANC?

Mike.

Eboue, Toure and Song.

Villain · 26-12-2007 11:11pm

I think a point away to Portsmoth isn't a bad result, its all the Pool or United could get.

Mr Alan · 26-12-2007 11:33pm

i agree.

Portsmouth are a very decent side

Unearthly · 27-12-2007 1:35am

I think the top 4 should count any result that they don't win as a bad result except the home grounds of the top 4

ShiverinEskimo · 27-12-2007 12:10pm

Unearthly you got it spot on. The reason they call it the "big four" is because of the gap in quality and as long as you're not going to Emirates, Anfield, the Bridge or Trafford you should expect and deserve 3 points.

Portsmouth are a quality side - but have no place taking points off the big four unless the big four give them away. Which the Arse did.

eirebhoy · 27-12-2007 1:32pm

I'm a huge Fabregas fan but watching the match in the pub last night and my mates wouldn't believe me that he was on the pitch. Rosicky was everywhere though.

Guy:Incognito · 27-12-2007 2:15pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

i agree.

Portsmouth are a very decent side

Meh, Reading scored 4 at pompy. Conceded 7 but scored 4 nonetheless. Pompy have only scored 7 at home in the last 9 games and all of those came in the one match.

Thought Neimi was a bit poor for the first 2 Spurs goals. Keane put the first one back across fairly close. Not saying he'd have got it but he might have got a hand if he made the effort and dived. The 2nd was fairly close to him when it crossed the line too. Just smacked of lack of effort and that he wasnt really interested.

Only just saw Torres goal now. Super goal, made the Derby lads look like fools.

Liverpool missed a few very good chances to wrap the game up in the first half. Babel missed a bit of a sitter (should have hit the target minimum) from Riise's cross. Carra showed why he's stricktly a 1 goal a decade man.:)

DSB · 27-12-2007 3:41pm

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

Unearthly you got it spot on. The reason they call it the "big four" is because of the gap in quality and as long as you're not going to Emirates, Anfield, the Bridge or Trafford you should expect and deserve 3 points.

Clueless. The gap between Liverpool and the likes of Everton, Man City and Villa is far from huge. And lets get 1 things straight, you only deserve 3 points, if you outperform and are more efficient than your opponent. What a ridiculous ridiculous attitude tbh.

Unearthly · 27-12-2007 3:56pm

DSB wrote: »

Clueless. The gap between Liverpool and the likes of Everton, Man City and Villa is far from huge. And lets get 1 things straight, you only deserve 3 points, if you outperform and are more efficient than your opponent. What a ridiculous ridiculous attitude tbh.

The top 4 teams are simply better teams than any other of the teams below them, I don't see how not beating any of them can be considered a 'good result'

Infact just read original post and said not a bad result, ah well

DSB · 27-12-2007 4:13pm

Where did I debate that? My point was that teams shouldn't expect or deserve 3 points. Favouritism means nothing in football and that lads blatant sunshinism in saying that had to be called. Teams should expect no wins, thats how teams become underestimated. And they certainly do not deserve any result until they've gone out and put in the performance. With each game being judged on their own measures.

Unearthly · 27-12-2007 4:22pm

The top 4 teams should expect to win the games, as for deserve, well you can only say that after the game. For example Man Utd didn't deserve anything from the Bolton game, but beforehand they would of expected to win.

DSB · 27-12-2007 5:11pm

Probably why they lost then. Expecting any result is ridiculous. You only get the result you deserve. Sometimes luck factors in too.

Unearthly · 27-12-2007 5:13pm

DSB wrote: »

Probably why they lost then. Expecting any result is ridiculous. You only get the result you deserve. Sometimes luck factors in too.

You can expect and still prepare properly. We had players out of form, struggled with Boltons gameplan .

Are you honestly saying Ferguson doesn't go into games expecting to win?

DSB · 27-12-2007 5:15pm

That is exactly what I'm saying. He is an intelligent man and knows that any team that is good enough to be in the Premiership has the ability to perform out of their skins against the big sides and that are all potential banana skins.

Unearthly · 27-12-2007 5:38pm

DSB wrote: »

That is exactly what I'm saying. He is an intelligent man and knows that any team that is good enough to be in the Premiership has the ability to perform out of their skins against the big sides and that are all potential banana skins.

If they are banana skins, then that means something made them slip up for what should of been an expected result.

This has to be the most random debate ever

Unearthly · 27-12-2007 9:37pm

Classic wingplay from Petrov in the City/Blackburn game

Handed a tap in to Bianchi(which he somehow missed), Vassell who obliged to score, and caused an OG

I said he'd be good enough for a top 4 team in that other topic and he impresses me

ctrl-alt-delete · 27-12-2007 10:19pm

Unearthly wrote: »

Classic wingplay from Petrov in the City/Blackburn game

Handed a tap in to Bianchi(which he somehow missed), Vassell who obliged to score, and caused an OG

I said he'd be good enough for a top 4 team in that other topic and he impresses me

I think he is a great player too - but he looked so good in the first half mainly because of who was marking him, it has been a different story since Emerton has been switched to right back to mark him.

Unearthly · 27-12-2007 10:40pm

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

I think he is a great player too - but he looked so good in the first half mainly because of who was marking him, it has been a different story since Emerton has been switched to right back to mark him.

True

2-2 FT

City don't go above Liverpool

Pepe LeFrits · 27-12-2007 10:45pm

13 goals now for Roque Santa Cruz.

Best name for a player ever really.

eirebhoy · 27-12-2007 11:30pm

Great name for the Christmas puns anyway.

ShiverinEskimo · 28-12-2007 12:44am

DSB wrote: »

Where did I debate that? My point was that teams shouldn't expect or deserve 3 points. Favouritism means nothing in football and that lads blatant sunshinism in saying that had to be called. Teams should expect no wins, thats how teams become underestimated. And they certainly do not deserve any result until they've gone out and put in the performance. With each game being judged on their own measures.

Saying teams shouldn't expect a win is ridiculous. The teams expect to win, the bookies expect them to win, the fans expect them to win. And at this stage if any of the top four want to win the league then they should aim and expect to win all their games against 5th and lower teams.

I agree I chose the wrong word in "deserve" because you get the result you play for. But if any of the big four drop points against teams 5th or lower its considered a great win for the other team and a poor loss for the big four side.

Winning sides have to instill a sense of superiority into their players and getting the players to have a winning mentality and expect to win games is all part of a successful side. No team going in with a "sure lets play a game and see how it goes" attitude is going to be in with a shot of the title.

Wednesday/Thursdsay Prem Games (cold turkey optional)

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