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BBC on mass immigration to Ireland - we have messed it up basically

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  • #202
    Flex
    Registered Users Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭Flex


    Hey SubjectSean, I see youre also a big Britney Spears fan from this

    http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=cDDEhLw1PVI


  • #203
    SubjectSean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    Way to go with the mature argument flex I'm very impressed :D


  • #204
    SubjectSean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    johnathan woss wrote: »
    SubjectSean was qualifies you to speak as such a high moral authority on the world economic system and the motivation of others ?

    :confused: The world economic system is IMO very clearly a vampire sucking the children, you're thinking Count Dracula was one of the good guys?
    johnathan woss wrote: »
    (it didn't take you very long to play the bigot card btw)

    Who the cap fits should wear it.


  • #205
    SimpleSam06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭SimpleSam06


    SubjectSean wrote: »
    How can you say? it hasn't been extended to them. Maybe if they even managed to get a tiny fraction of it then that would do them.
    Sigh. You can't feed the world because the world's dictators will take the food and use it to feed their own armies. Getting the picture yet? Charity, goodwill, all that sort of thing is useless unless you deal with the root causes of the problem. In fact you only make the problem worse. And the only way I can see of getting rid of these problems is violent incursions.

    You think I like that fact? It doesn't change that it is a fact, however.
    SubjectSean wrote: »
    Clearly in explaining the reality on the ground I have moved beyond your simple powers of comprehension. Don't worry yourself about it, people like you are in a majority and have the vote.
    So really, what you are saying is that you have no idea, but wanted to use emotive images like dead babies and grieving mothers to lend weight to your cause. Thats nice.
    SubjectSean wrote: »
    Ones whose whole extended family has saved for years to be able to send that one single person out into the West as a lifeline to their community.
    Hahah, ah dearie me. You have no idea really, do you. Subsistence means you are barely surviving, and need to use all of your resources to keep what little you have. The people we have landing in are well educated, well fed, and speak fairly good English. You badly need to do some actual research on this area.
    SubjectSean wrote: »
    Please this is absolute bollocks, try going back to the 1840's and you might be somewhere close. It's no wonder you have the stinking attitude you do if you think the worst conditions people are facing are on a par with those here in the 80's.
    Once again, you aren't preaching to a crowd of white-guilt Americans.
    SubjectSean wrote: »
    I remember the 80's well and at no point did the situation look anything like that of sub-saharan Africa.
    I like the way you just point a finger and say "sub-saharan Africa". Thats a whole continent, and several of the countries in it are actually pretty nice. Mind you it just underlines that you have little to no idea what you are talking about, and are simply waggling your finger in some sort of racially motivated attack againt white people.
    SubjectSean wrote: »
    We recovered from the depression and now have more than we possibly want for. Did your parents not ever teach you about sharing?
    Once again displaying a fingerless grasp of the economic situation, you have missed the point that we haven't reached some fabled plateau, some shambala of wealth. Our economy is built on a foundation of matchsticks, and its already collapsing.

    As for sharing, we don't owe them anything (in point of fact Ireland was always one of the most charitable countries around, even back when things were very bad). If they want us to invade and remove their dictators and corrupt officials, I'd be fully in support of that, however.
    SubjectSean wrote: »
    OK I'll give you one example to be going on with. Farmers here in Europe, but also America and Japan are subsidised to the hilt by our taxes in order to produce food that could be produced with far less expense in third world countries. However because of the stranglehold the West has on organisations such as the WTO third world farmers are prevented from competing. However, the surplus of subsidised foods produced in the West finds its way to third world countries and undercuts the local producers.
    Okay, lets see if you can grasp this. No country can outsource its food production, that would be suicide. The west cannot compete with third world farmers, but cannot depend upon their produce either, in case they stop producing. So the only thing these developed nations can do is subsidise their own food producers. Mainly what that does is stops third world countries from selling at huge profits in the first world.

    In most third world countries food that is produced locally is consumed locally, very little "west subsidised foodstuff" finds its way onto the table for much the same reason that most of their local produce rarely finds its way onto our tables - the profit margins are too small. You're probably whining about Mexico, which is an unusual case because its a third world country bordering on a first world country, and because its next to LA it gets lots of popular media coverage, which appears to be your main source of information.

    If you had ever really been in the third world, you would know that.
    SubjectSean wrote: »
    Because development of an agricultural sector is what underpins the development of an industrial sector countries in the third world are held back.
    Utter nonsense. Or would you mind explaining China and India so? They weren't exporting any amounts of food before they started getting off the ground. You just have no idea, do you.
    SubjectSean wrote: »
    Rather I have a problem with us extending a helping hand to a nation of warmongering overweight gluttons whilst turning our backs on the poor and dispossesed.
    That is seriously racist you know. You should be ashamed of yourself for having such a prejuidicial attitude.
    SubjectSean wrote: »
    Nobody 'feels' they are owed something, they are just stuggling hard to get something.
    Says you.
    SubjectSean wrote: »
    Your type would hurt all mankind just to save their own, and have already done so. You should hang your head in shame.
    Playing on the heartstrings seems to be a big part of your platform. Thankfully its not backed up by any sort of logic or factual information, so the odds of you actually doing any damage in your misinformed campaign are slim to none.


  • #206
    SubjectSean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    SimpleSam06 wrote: »
    Sigh. You can't feed the world because the world's dictators will take the food and use it to feed their own armies. Getting the picture yet? Charity, goodwill, all that sort of thing is useless unless you deal with the root causes of the problem. In fact you only make the problem worse. And the only way I can see of getting rid of these problems is violent incursions.

    You think I like that fact? It doesn't change that it is a fact, however.

    Our Governments and corporations continuously and repeatedly do business with these 'dictators' and keep them propped up. Look to what is happening in the Congo. The West, that's you BTW, actively supports a plethora of corrupt Governments around the world because it's good for business.
    SimpleSam06 wrote: »
    So really, what you are saying is that you have no idea, but wanted to use emotive images like dead babies and grieving mothers to lend weight to your cause. Thats nice.

    No what I'm saying is if you go to a country where the average life expectancy is around 30 years of age then you won't be able to help but notice the dead babies and the greiving mothers. You may not want to admit these people as evidence of our collective cruelty but there they are.
    SimpleSam06 wrote: »
    Hahah, ah dearie me. You have no idea really, do you. Subsistence means you are barely surviving, and need to use all of your resources to keep what little you have. The people we have landing in are well educated, well fed, and speak fairly good English. You badly need to do some actual research on this area.

    I have lived in Africa with subsistence farmers. I actually know people who are in the situation I outlined.
    SimpleSam06 wrote: »
    Once again, you aren't preaching to a crowd of white-guilt Americans.

    You're ignoring the fact that you were totally wrong to compare Africa with Ireland in the 1980's.
    SimpleSam06 wrote: »
    I like the way you just point a finger and say "sub-saharan Africa". Thats a whole continent, and several of the countries in it are actually pretty nice.

    Can you name the names of these pretty nice places?
    SimpleSam06 wrote: »
    Mind you it just underlines that you have little to no idea what you are talking about, and are simply waggling your finger in some sort of racially motivated attack againt white people.

    You're the one who's got this whole 'black' and 'white' thing going on, show me where in any of my posts I have even so much as mentioned skin colour or race except to attack such concepts as baseless.
    SimpleSam06 wrote: »
    Once again displaying a fingerless grasp of the economic situation, you have missed the point that we haven't reached some fabled plateau, some shambala of wealth. Our economy is built on a foundation of matchsticks, and its already collapsing.

    I'm playing a really small violin for all of us poor starving Irish dying here in the dirt.
    SimpleSam06 wrote: »
    As for sharing, we don't owe them anything (in point of fact Ireland was always one of the most charitable countries around, even back when things were very bad). If they want us to invade and remove their dictators and corrupt officials, I'd be fully in support of that, however.

    No I don't think you're really understanding the concept of sharing, it isn't something you do because you 'owe something'. As I've said our governments, that means you, are too busy propping up such regiemes so the trading can go ahead smoothly. It's only when they mess up really badly like Mugabe that any voices of protest are raised.
    SimpleSam06 wrote: »
    Okay, lets see if you can grasp this. No country can outsource its food production, that would be suicide.


    How so?
    SimpleSam06 wrote: »
    The west cannot compete with third world farmers, but cannot depend upon their produce either, in case they stop producing.

    Why would they do that? surely they'd starve?
    SimpleSam06 wrote: »
    So the only thing these developed nations can do is subsidise their own food producers. Mainly what that does is stops third world countries from selling at huge profits in the first world.

    In most third world countries food that is produced locally is consumed locally, very little "west subsidised foodstuff" finds its way onto the table for much the same reason that most of their local produce rarely finds its way onto our tables - the profit margins are too small.

    You're probably whining about Mexico, which is an unusual case because its a third world country bordering on a first world country, and because its next to LA it gets lots of popular media coverage, which appears to be your main source of information.

    I was never in Mexico but yes the argument about third world agricultural markets being distorted by surplus from the first world holds good in many places.
    SimpleSam06 wrote: »
    If you had ever really been in the third world, you would know that.

    I'll upload you a scan of my passport if you want.
    SimpleSam06 wrote: »
    Utter nonsense. Or would you mind explaining China and India so? They weren't exporting any amounts of food before they started getting off the ground. You just have no idea, do you.

    Both of these countries have absolutely huge populations and high population density with subsequent large economies of scale.
    SimpleSam06 wrote: »
    Playing on the heartstrings seems to be a big part of your platform. Thankfully its not backed up by any sort of logic or factual information, so the odds of you actually doing any damage in your misinformed campaign are slim to none.

    Not having a heart seems to be a large part of your platform and is underpinned by your refusal to acknowledge the suffering that people are trying to escape from.


  • #207
    Nermal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭Nermal


    HollyB wrote: »
    And why exactly do we need to be as populated as the UK?

    More populous countries are more powerful. They make it worthwhile to build proper infrastructure. We are the most underpopulated country in Europe and it's holding us back.
    HollyB wrote: »
    You're confusing "not unlimited" with "short of".

    OK, so to soothe your pedantry, there's some resource that is 'not unlimited', that will cause us a problem if we allow more immigration. What is it?


  • #208
    Nermal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭Nermal


    williambonney wrote: »
    Are you on some sort of illegal substance? You would allow an open door policy? You would allow 15 million, say, Africans into the country? The mind boggles indeed.

    Yes, I would. Although it's somewhat unlikely that we would receive immigrants from only one continent though, isn't it?

    Also, perhaps you could tell me what's so distasteful about Africans that they're the first group that came to mind when you're trying to impress on me what a bad idea this is?


  • #209
    SimpleSam06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭SimpleSam06


    SubjectSean wrote: »
    Our Governments and corporations continuously and repeatedly do business with these 'dictators' and keep them propped up. Look to what is happening in the Congo. The West, that's you BTW, actively supports a plethora of corrupt Governments around the world because it's good for business.
    This is just painful. Investigators have identified several countries as having the most ties to those carrying out the exploitation of the resources in the Congo - Rwanda, Uganda and Zimbabwe. The DR Congo also supplies cobalt worth $1.7m to China every week, mainly through illegal channels. Can you point out which one of those is western.
    SubjectSean wrote: »
    No what I'm saying is if you go to a country where the average life expectancy is around 30 years of age then you won't be able to help but notice the dead babies and the greiving mothers. You may not want to admit these people as evidence of our collective cruelty but there they are.
    Actually most countries with such a short life expectancy have severe AIDs epidemics. Would you mind clarifying how we have collective guilt for that?
    SubjectSean wrote: »
    Can you name the names of these pretty nice places?
    • Botswana: Since independence, Botswana has had one of the fastest growth rates in per capita income in the world. Botswana has transformed itself from one of the poorest countries in the world to a middle-income country with a per capita GDP of $11,200 in 2006. Economic growth averaged over 9% per year from 1966 to 1999. Botswana was ranked as Africa's least corrupt country by Transparency International in 2004, ahead of many European and Asian countries.
    • Mozambique: Imports remain almost 40% greater than exports, but this is a significant improvement over the 4:1 ratio of the immediate post-war years. In 2003, imports were $1.24 billion and exports were $910 million. Support programs provided by foreign donors and private financing of foreign direct investment mega-projects and their associated raw materials, have largely compensated for balance-of-payments shortfalls. The government projects the economy to continue to expand between 7%-10% a year for the next five years, although rapid expansion in the future hinges on several major foreign investment projects, continued economic reform, and the revival of the agriculture, transportation, and tourism sectors.
    • Lesotho: Lesotho is almost completely self-sufficient in the production of electricity and generates approximately $24 million annually from the sale of electricity and water to South Africa. Exports totaled over $320 million in 2002. Lesotho has nearly 6,000 kilometers of unpaved and modern all-weather roads. It also has close ties with Ireland historically.
    • Kenya: This has free education. Nairobi is the primary communication and financial hub of East Africa. It enjoys the region's best transportation linkages, communications infrastructure, and trained personnel. The anuual growth rates for the last few years: 5.8% (2005): 2006 = 6.1% : Estimate for 2007 = 7.2%.
    • Ghana: Ghana is one of the more economically sound countries in all of Africa.
    So there are no paradises there, but still pretty nice places. There are other countries, but I couldn't be bothered really. Do your own homework.
    SubjectSean wrote: »
    I'm playing a really small violin for all of us poor starving Irish dying here in the dirt.
    As constructive as most of your contributions.
    SubjectSean wrote: »
    No I don't think you're really understanding the concept of sharing, it isn't something you do because you 'owe something'. As I've said our governments, that means you, are too busy propping up such regiemes so the trading can go ahead smoothly. It's only when they mess up really badly like Mugabe that any voices of protest are raised.
    Ha, this is great. Can you tell me, what is the value of the imports to Ireland from sub-saharan countries for say 2006? So hold on a second. You want us to stop trading with African countries? Do you think that will help their struggling economies in any meaningful sense, or reduce them even further in poverty? Thats the problem with you people, you never think about consequences. Too damn busy flailing at whatever soundbite-friendly cause floats down the media pipe next.
    SubjectSean wrote: »
    How so?
    Its the lack of understanding of even these simple issues that highlights the tremendous ignorance in most of your posts. Why would it be suicide for any country to outsource its food supplies? Hmm.
    SubjectSean wrote: »
    Why would they do that? surely they'd starve?
    Why would they starve if they just decided to put pressure on western governments by cutting off their food supplies? Of course someone like you would probably take great pleasure in that thought, right up until someone brained you for the contents of your fridge.
    SubjectSean wrote: »
    I was never in Mexico but yes the argument about third world agricultural markets being distorted by surplus from the first world holds good in many places.
    Where?
    SubjectSean wrote: »
    I'll upload you a scan of my passport if you want.
    I'm tempted to ask you to do that, but really, who cares. Wherever you have or more likely haven't been, you certainly don't know what you are talking about now.
    SubjectSean wrote: »
    Both of these countries have absolutely huge populations and high population density with subsequent large economies of scale.
    That makes zero sense. Surely a large population would need more of an agricultural base to feed them before they started into industrial manufacturing? Ignorance, ignorance...
    SubjectSean wrote: »
    Not having a heart seems to be a large part of your platform and is underpinned by your refusal to acknowledge the suffering that people are trying to escape from.
    Oh just fuck off and educate yourself.


  • #210
    SubjectSean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    SimpleSam06 wrote: »

    Oh just fuck off and educate yourself.

    You lose the whole argument with this you simple f**kwit


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  • #211
    williambonney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭williambonney


    Nermal wrote: »
    Yes, I would. Although it's somewhat unlikely that we would receive immigrants from only one continent though, isn't it?

    Also, perhaps you could tell me what's so distasteful about Africans that they're the first group that came to mind when you're trying to impress on me what a bad idea this is?

    If a vote was to be held, “We are taking in 15 million immigrants; do you want them to be European or African? I would give you odds of 100-1 the answer would be European, by a very wide margin. The silent majority in this country feel very uncomfortable with too many Africans about the place. That may be very un pc, but it’s the truth.


  • #212
    Sonnenblumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    Flex wrote: »
    Hey SubjectSean, I see youre also a big Britney Spears fan from this

    http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=cDDEhLw1PVI

    He also doesn't take 'NO' for an answer.:(


  • #213
    Laslo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 831 ✭✭✭Laslo


    SimpleSam06 wrote: »
    ...what the living christ are you burbling on about. You've edged from rabidly bleeding heart into just plain rabid at this stage.

    +1

    I've never read such utter nonsense and stupidity TBH.


  • #214
    Ekancone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Ekancone


    Anyone read that new Marc Coleman book yet? I havent, but he seems to be arguing that population growth will lead to even greater prosperity for Ireland over the next century. I might pick it up soon and have a gander.


  • #215
    SubjectSean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    Laslo wrote: »
    +1

    I've never read such utter nonsense and stupidity TBH.

    Ya because people hate to be reminded of their culpability and end up dismissing what they can't face.


  • #216
    SimpleSam06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭SimpleSam06


    SubjectSean wrote: »
    Ya because people hate to be reminded of their culpability and end up dismissing what they can't face.
    Fail.


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  • #217
    HollyB
    Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭HollyB


    Nermal wrote: »
    More populous countries are more powerful. They make it worthwhile to build proper infrastructure. We are the most underpopulated country in Europe and it's holding us back.

    So the United States, with its paltry 31 people per square kilometre, is clearly far less powerful than Ireland, which has 59 people per square kilometre? Since Monaco tops the list in terms of population density, does that make it the world's greatest super power?

    In terms of being held back by being "underpopulated" - Ireland currently ranks fifth worldwide in terms of GDP per capita. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita
    I think we're doing quite well with our current population without bringing in 15 million newcomers.

    Maybe you could try lobbying President Bush. The US have a far lower population density than we do. For the US to keep up with the UK in terms of population density, as you seem to expect Ireland to, they'll need a total population of approximately 2.417 billion. They have 303 million - do you think that they need or want more than two billion more people there?

    By the way - when did we kick Lithuania, Belarus, Latvia, Montenegro, Estonia, Sweden, Finland, Norway and Iceland out of Europe?


  • #218
    HollyB
    Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭HollyB


    williambonney wrote: »
    If a vote was to be held, “We are taking in 15 million immigrants; do you want them to be European or African? I would give you odds of 100-1 the answer would be European, by a very wide margin. The silent majority in this country feel very uncomfortable with too many Africans about the place. That may be very un pc, but it’s the truth.

    If the first question was do you want us to take 15 million more immigrants, what do you think the answer would be?


  • #219
    SubjectSean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    williambonney wrote: »
    The silent majority in this country feel very uncomfortable with too many Africans about the place.

    As you seem to be standing as the voice of this 'silent majority' perhaps you would care to explain why this is the case?


  • #220
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    SubjectSean wrote: »
    As you seem to be standing as the voice of this 'silent majority' perhaps you would care to explain why this is the case?

    Well the simple fact that we've been so insulated for the preceding decades...and in the current decade have been somewhat inundated to the point of saturation. People haven't had or been given a chance to get used to to it, the infrastructure, like schools hasn't had the chance to prepare for it (the original topic of this thread remember?) and it has fueled an attitude from a lot of people out there that many Africans are only here for what they can get handed to them, be that social housing or education or free money, which has invariably been paid for from the sweat of our own taxpayers and the taxpayers of previous generations...


  • #221
    HollyB
    Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭HollyB


    Wertz wrote: »
    Well the simple fact that we've been so insulated for the preceding decades...and in the current decade have been somewhat inundated to the point of saturation. People haven't had or been given a chance to get used to to it, the infrastructure, like schools hasn't had the chance to prepare for it (the original topic of this thread remember?) and it has fueled an attitude from a lot of people out there that many Africans are only here for what they can get handed to them, be that social housing or education or free money, which has invariably been paid for from the sweat of our own taxpayers and the taxpayers of previous generations...

    Too much, too quickly doesn't give people a chance to adjust.

    Ireland wasn't prepared for large numbers of immigrants, and it's showing - like the all-black school in Balbriggan. The denominational schools, and their practice of giving priority to members of their own denomination, hasn't been a huge issue before but it is now in some areas with high concentrions of non-Irish nationals.

    The language barrier is another problem in the schools, with so many language teachers needed to help children for whom English is not a first language. In all honesty, given how difficult it can be to get support for children with learning difficulties, I couldn't blame their parents if they were more than a tad ticked off at the chunk of the education budget being set aside for language support teachers for migrant children when their child isn't getting the support he or she needs.

    As well as that, Irish parents may have understandable concerns about the standard of education their child will receive in a class where the teacher also has to deal with a large percentage of children who are not fluent in English. We're already seeing the first signs of white flight, and that will continue.


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  • #222
    OPENROAD
    Registered Users Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    williambonney wrote: »
    If a vote was to be held, “We are taking in 15 million immigrants; do you want them to be European or African? I would give you odds of 100-1 the answer would be European, by a very wide margin. The silent majority in this country feel very uncomfortable with too many Africans about the place. That may be very un pc, but it’s the truth.

    One only has to look at places like Kilburn in London in the 80's, it was like a mini Ireland, Irish pubs,clubs,flags etc.. and it still is to a large extent though not as bad thankfully.


  • #223
    OPENROAD
    Registered Users Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    williambonney wrote: »
    If a vote was to be held, “We are taking in 15 million immigrants; do you want them to be European or African? I would give you odds of 100-1 the answer would be European, by a very wide margin. The silent majority in this country feel very uncomfortable with too many Africans about the place. That may be very un pc, but it’s the truth.

    One only has to look at places like Kilburn in London in the 80's, it was like a mini Ireland, Irish pubs,clubs,flags etc.. and it still is to a large extent though not as bad thankfully.


  • #224
    SimpleSam06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭SimpleSam06


    A different perspective...

    If a vote in an African country was to be held, “We are taking in 15 million immigrants; do you want them to be European or African? I would give you odds of 100-1 the answer would be African, by a very wide margin. The silent majority in those countries feel very uncomfortable with too many Europeans about the place. That may be very un pc, but it’s the truth.


  • #225
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    SimpleSam06 wrote: »
    Oh just fuck off and educate yourself.
    SubjectSean wrote: »
    You lose the whole argument with this you simple f**kwit

    Both banned.


  • #226
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    SimpleSam06 wrote:
    "Actually most countries with such a short life expectancy have severe AIDs epidemics. Would you mind clarifying how we have collective guilt for that?"

    Wealthy Caucasian Hetrosexual Male Northerners invented AIDS to further their eternal goals of destroying Brown/Black people and wiping out Gays. OsamaBinLaden Knows that. All "right-thinking-people" know that.


  • #227
    williambonney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭williambonney


    SimpleSam06 wrote: »
    A different perspective...

    If a vote in an African country was to be held, “We are taking in 15 million immigrants; do you want them to be European or African? I would give you odds of 100-1 the answer would be African, by a very wide margin. The silent majority in those countries feel very uncomfortable with too many Europeans about the place. That may be very un pc, but it’s the truth.

    No, that’s not true. The silent majority are reasonably comfortable with Europeans. The only difference between them and us is language/accent. Both (language/accent) will not be an issue within a few years when the Europeans that remain here will assimilate as all European immigrants to Ireland have done over the years. Africans, now that’s a horse of a different colour. No pun intended!


  • #228
    OPENROAD
    Registered Users Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    williambonney wrote: »
    No, that’s not true. The silent majority are reasonably comfortable with Europeans. The only difference between them and us is language/accent. Both (language/accent) will not be an issue within a few years when the Europeans that remain here will assimilate as all European immigrants to Ireland have done over the years. Africans, now that’s a horse of a different colour. No pun intended!


    So culturally all Europeans are the same??? You on the wind up?


  • #229
    williambonney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭williambonney


    OPENROAD wrote: »
    So culturally all Europeans are the same??? You on the wind up?

    I never said anything about all Europeans being culturally the same.


  • #230
    OPENROAD
    Registered Users Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    williambonney wrote: »
    The only difference between them and us is language/accent.


    Please can you clarify this point for me, I assume you are referring to Europeans.


  • #231
    Hydroquinone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 398 ✭✭Hydroquinone


    It's pretty apparent to me that williambonney thinks that there is a so-called silent majority of Irish people only want Irish people to be white.
    Is it really news to any grown up person that Ireland is a bit racist?
    What? Really?
    The only thing that's news to me is that anyone could doubt it.


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  • #232
    cedco1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10 ✭cedco1


    There's an old and true saying, too much of anything is bad for you.
    If the flow of immigrants into this country is reletively small compared to our population, then intergration can be achieved, but that's not the case.
    But the real reason we're in this mess is because of the powerful pro immigrent propaganda campaign from the main TV media in this country and the demonisation of any group or individual who may speak out on this issue.


  • #233
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Hydroquinone wrote: »
    It's pretty apparent to me that williambonney thinks that there is a so-called silent majority of Irish people only want Irish people to be white.
    Is it really news to any grown up person that Ireland is a bit racist?
    What? Really?
    The only thing that's news to me is that anyone could doubt it.
    It sticks out like a sore thumb but in some places more than others.


  • #234
    OPENROAD
    Registered Users Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    cedco1 wrote: »
    There's an old and true saying, too much of anything is bad for you.
    If the flow of immigrants into this country is reletively small compared to our population, then intergration can be achieved, but that's not the case.
    But the real reason we're in this mess is because of the powerful pro immigrent propaganda campaign from the main TV media in this country and the demonisation of any group or individual who may speak out on this issue.


    But what type of immigration are you talking about? Are you talking about EU movement of people or the non -eu.

    Nothing we can do about EU immigration, get used to it. Non EU, if jobs are needed to be filled that can't be filled by EU citizens, then can't see the problem.


  • #235
    cedco1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10 ✭cedco1


    OPENROAD wrote: »
    But what type of immigration are you talking about? Are you talking about EU movement of people or the non -eu.

    Nothing we can do about EU immigration, get used to it. Non EU, if jobs are needed to be filled that can't be filled by EU citizens, then can't see the problem.
    I know you can't see the the problem, thats the problem, and the reason you can't see the problem,is because there has been no real debate on the issue.
    WE're bombarded with pro immigrent propaganda and opposition to it is crushed, even here on the boards, I'd be banned if I say too much.


  • #236
    williambonney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭williambonney


    Hydroquinone wrote: »
    It's pretty apparent to me that williambonney thinks that there is a so-called silent majority of Irish people only want Irish people to be white.
    Is it really news to any grown up person that Ireland is a bit racist?
    What? Really?
    The only thing that's news to me is that anyone could doubt it.

    You have hit the nail, as they say, right on the head. The vast majority of Irish people want Irish people to be white.Now of course I cannot absolutely prove this, but IMO if a vote were to take place about this issue I think it would be overwhelmingly in favour of a white Ireland.


  • #237
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,285 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    williambonney wrote: »
    You have hit the nail, as they say, right on the head. The vast majority of Irish people want Irish people to be white.Now of course I cannot absolutely prove this, but IMO if a vote were to take place about this issue I think it would be overwhelmingly in favour of a white Ireland.

    While I disagree with you on a few counts- first of all, the vast majority of people most probably just don't care enough to vote in the first place- if you were to hold a vote you would get the bleeding heart leftie liberals versus the neo-nazi far-rights having a field day in the media. Secondly- it is my firm belief that the vast majority of people, far not voting out of pure political apathy, actually put greater credence in deeds not words. A white person who is a social welfare leech, is the exact same drain on the state as a black person or a Chinese person- only its fashionable to bash the Nigerians and the Roumanians.
    Thirdly- people's colour is not the issue- its the mentality of state hand-outs and a social welfare net that makes working a punative activity unless you are on significantly above the average industrial wage. An example of this- you can pay statepension contributions for 40 years but at the end of the day the only difference between the contributory and the means tested OAP is 12 Euro a week. FFS- why bother..... The entire system is stacked in favour of those who couldn't be arsed working- and we wonder why we are a welfare destination- or why single mother benefit is so high?
    Fourthly- if most people really wanted a "white" Ireland- there would statistics of an impirical nature to back this up. A random sample might be the desination of first choice for prospective Irish parents adopting from abroad. Its actually China- and not because its easy to adopt from there, its incredibly difficult.

    I would hazard a wild guess that you might very possibly have membership of a certain white supremist website that enjoys monitoring these fora.........

    Ps- for the record, I am actually in favour of severly restricting immigration, but not on race grounds.


  • #238
    williambonney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭williambonney


    "An example of this- you can pay statepension contributions for 40 years but at the end of the day the only difference between the contributory and the means tested OAP is 12 Euro a week. FFS- why bother..... "

    The non contributory old age pension is means tested, the contributory pension is not. It makes a big difference.

    I am not a member of any organisation, far right or otherwise. I am simply giving an opinion. And of course you are right, lots of people choose not to vote, I am saying that the majority of people who do vote would vote for a white Ireland.
    Also, where I live the majority of adopted foreign babies are from Russia.


  • #239
    OPENROAD
    Registered Users Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    williambonney wrote: »
    You have hit the nail, as they say, right on the head. The vast majority of Irish people want Irish people to be white.Now of course I cannot absolutely prove this,

    You can't prove it at all.


  • #240
    OPENROAD
    Registered Users Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    williambonney wrote: »
    "An example of this- you can pay statepension contributions for 40 years but at the end of the day the only difference between the contributory and the means tested OAP is 12 Euro a week. FFS- why bother..... "

    The non contributory old age pension is means tested, the contributory pension is not. It makes a big difference.

    I am not a member of any organisation, far right or otherwise. I am simply giving an opinion. And of course you are right, lots of people choose not to vote, I am saying that the majority of people who do vote would vote for a white Ireland.
    Also, where I live the majority of adopted foreign babies are from Russia.

    It seems to be that you are against immigration, please feel free to correct me.

    With this in mind would you be in favour of the Irish being prevented from emmigrating to other countries.


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  • #241
    OPENROAD
    Registered Users Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    OPENROAD wrote: »
    williambonney wrote: »
    The only difference between them and us is language/accent.


    Still waiting for an answer.


  • #242
    williambonney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭williambonney


    OPENROAD wrote: »
    williambonney wrote: »
    You have hit the nail, as they say, right on the head. The vast majority of Irish people want Irish people to be white.Now of course I cannot absolutely prove this,

    You can't prove it at all.

    Its quiet sad, and a bit laughable the way you cherry picked my statement.


  • #243
    OPENROAD
    Registered Users Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    williambonney wrote: »
    OPENROAD wrote: »

    Its quiet sad, and a bit laughable the way you cherry picked my statement.

    But you can't prove it.

    And still waiting for an answer.


    Again to qualify my own position, we can't do anything about EU immigration as regards non-eu, well I feel this should be restricted and based on a points system with a limit per year. All non eu applicants should be treated equally irrespective of where they are from.


  • #244
    williambonney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭williambonney


    OPENROAD wrote: »
    It seems to be that you are against immigration, please feel free to correct me.

    With this in mind would you be in favour of the Irish being prevented from emmigrating to other countries.

    I couldn’t care less where Irish people emigrate to. And if say the USA is silly enough to allow illegal Irish to stay there that’s their problem. If it were up to me I would deport the lot of them.
    As regards immigration, I have no problem with people from the EU coming to live here, the more the merrier. But I do have a problem with us being overrun by Africans, I don’t want them here, sorry if that offends you, but that’s me, and that’s my opinion. And as I have said before I think the majority of Irish people think the same.


  • #245
    OPENROAD
    Registered Users Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    williambonney wrote: »
    I have no problem with people from the EU coming to live here, the more the merrier.


    What about black Europeans?


  • #246
    williambonney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭williambonney


    OPENROAD wrote: »
    williambonney wrote: »
    I have no problem with people from the EU coming to live here, the more the merrier.


    What about black Europeans?

    If they are EU citizens we cannot stop them from coming here, but I don’t envisage a huge influx of black Europeans.


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  • #247
    OPENROAD
    Registered Users Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    williambonney wrote: »
    OPENROAD wrote: »

    If they are EU citizens we cannot stop them from coming here, but I don’t envisage a huge influx of black Europeans.


    But do you have a problem with it.


  • #248
    williambonney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭williambonney


    OPENROAD wrote: »
    williambonney wrote: »


    But do you have a problem with it.

    Not really, because like I said, I really don’t envisage a huge influx of black Europeans.


  • #249
    OPENROAD
    Registered Users Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    williambonney wrote: »
    OPENROAD wrote: »

    Not really, because like I said, I really don’t envisage a huge influx of black Europeans.


    But you wouldn't have a if their was a large influx. As you said earlier the more the merrier.


  • #250
    williambonney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭williambonney


    OPENROAD wrote: »
    williambonney wrote: »


    But you wouldn't have a problem if large influx of black Europeans moved into your street. As you said earlier the more the merrier.

    I have finished discussing this subject, you know my feelings. Now I am going to get my dinner and hopefully see Man. City beat Liverpool. Have a nice day.


  • #251
    jdivision
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,260 ✭✭✭jdivision


    williambonney wrote: »
    But I do have a problem with us being overrun by Africans.

    What utter rubbish. Christ grow up


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