Players outside the Top 4

PHB

Outside of the top 4 teams (United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool) which players do you think could make it into the top 4 squad, and preferably which squad?

Personally players I think these guys could make it at top 4 clubs would be
Ashley Young
Berbatov
Robbie Keane
Aaron Lennon
Anelka

I think Dean Ashton would be fantastic for Liverpool.

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Hunty, Doyler and Long.

Mr Alan

Des man, you are in love! every thread i go into! its all "hunty,doyler and long!"?!?!?!?

let it go!

Unearthly

I think Shay Given would make the Arsenal team, and could be a replacement for VDS at United

Richard Dunne as a backup for any of them.

Petrov looks good to

PHB

I was thinking about including Hunt and Doyle, but Long, love is truly blind Anyone who scores against Sunderland would be a good bet for you too DesF

Peyton Manning

Arteta is the best player outside the top 4.

Mr Alan

i hate Sunderland as much as the next man, But you crossed a line today Des, Cheering for the mancs against them! the dark side . . . . . how could you?!

Mr Alan

Anelka,Cahill,Arteta,Berbatov,keane,Elano,Petrov,Richards,shorey,Dunne,Ashton . . . . i'm sure there is more too.

Doyle,hunt and long can go and ask my bollox

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Mr Alan wrote: »

let it go!

Nope

PHB wrote: »

I was thinking about including Hunt and Doyle

Well, in reality, I reckon Hunt could do a job with potentially Liverpool.

Very direct winger, and I love his attitude to playing. He just relishes being on the pitch, it's great to see.

PHB wrote: »

Anyone who scores against Sunderland would be a good bet for you too DesF

lol

Mr Alan wrote: »

i hate Sunderland as much as the next man, But you crossed a line today Des, Cheering for the mancs against them! the dark side . . . . . how could you?!

They're better than Liverpool

PHB

Who would Arteta replace to be honest?

DSB

Young is by far the best player outside the top 4. Better than every other winger in the league except obviously Ronaldo too.

A Dub in Glasgo

Messi
Ronaldinho
Ronaldo
KaKa

A lot of the players in La Liga and Serie A as well, too numerous to mention

DSB

Tommy Tiernan posts here?

A Dub in Glasgo

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/member.php?u=103760

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PHB wrote: »

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Personally players I think these guys could make it at top 4 clubs would be
Ashley Young
Berbatov
Robbie Keane
Aaron Lennon
Anelka

I think Dean Ashton would be fantastic for Liverpool.

Not sure about Yong, Keane, Lennon.

Agree with Anelka, only a matter of time before he moves from Bolton.

Peyton Manning

PHB wrote: »

Who would Arteta replace to be honest?

Well, you said which players could make it into the squad, so I think he'd easily replace:

O'Shea
Fletcher
Diaby
Sidwell
Diarra
Denilson
Sissoko
Makelele
Alonso

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Unearthly wrote: »

I think Shay Given would make the Arsenal team, and could be a replacement for VDS at United


Not sure about that, Almunia has impressed me this season, has had a lot to put up with and risen to the challenge.

Necronomicon

I agree with Archimedes about Arteta, he is a class act.

Are you talking first 11s PHB? Because in terms of squad places there are dozens that could replace squad players in the top 4 teams.

PHB

Well I mean in general really, not first 11, but first team players. By that I don't mean Johnny Evans, but I mean Pique. I mean Saha but I don't mean Dong.

I can't see Arteta being better than Scholes/Anderson/Carrick/Hargreaves or Lampard/Essien/Ballack/Makelele or Gerrard/Alonson/Mascherano or Fabregas/Flamini/Denilson

Pepe LeFrits

PHB wrote: »

Who would Arteta replace to be honest?

I'd swap him for Rosicky in a heartbeat. Great player.

Necronomicon

PHB wrote: »

I can't see Arteta being better than Scholes/Anderson/Carrick/Hargreaves or Lampard/Essien/Ballack/Makelele or Gerrard/Alonson/Mascherano or Fabregas/Flamini/Denilson

Comparing the wrong players. Arteta plays on the right for Everton. I think he'd easily replace Benayoun at Liverpool, far superior player IMO.

Bubs101

There's a hoard of keeper's outside the top 4 who'd waltz into the N.1 position at Arsenal. Given, Gordon,James,Robinson.

Aside form that I'd say that Downing and Petrov would walk into LM for Liverpool and Anelka would get into all of the teams' starting 11 if they were playing 4-4-2

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Bubs101 wrote: »

There's a hoard of keeper's outside the top 4 who'd waltz into the N.1 position at Arsenal. Given, Gordon,James,Robinson.


Robinson :D,


Maybe James would be the only one imo.

Mikeyt086

Mr Alan wrote: »

Anelka,Cahill,Arteta,Berbatov,keane,Elano,Petrov,Richards,shorey,Dunne,Ashton . . . . i'm sure there is more too.

Doyle,hunt and long can go and ask my bollox

Agree with your players 100%. With the addition of Given and Ash Young.

But why would Doyle, Hunt and Long ask your bollox if they can play for the top 4?

Mr Alan

cause my bollox knows everything

tdv

Micah Richards would get ahead of a few of the big 4's right backs.

MrJoeSoap

DSB wrote: »

Young is by far the best player outside the top 4.

Not a hope buddy.

Cahill, Arteta, Richards, Given, Berbatov... and of course Gareth Bale.

Guy:Incognito

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

Agree with your players 100%. With the addition of Given and Ash Young.

But why would Doyle, Hunt and Long ask your bollox if they can play for the top 4?

Whatever about Doyle and Hunt (I'm not convinced of eithers ability to be first choice at a top cass side atm) but what has Long done to suggest he could take a spot in a top side? and which side / player would he be in for?

Helix

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

Not a hope buddy.

Cahill, Arteta, Richards, Given, Berbatov... and of course Gareth Bale.

id have young ahead of every single one of those bar cahill

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Stekelly wrote: »

but what has Long done to suggest he could take a spot in a top side? and which side / player would he be in for?

Are you insane?

Shane Long will clearly, CLEARLY, be world class in the next eighteen months or so.

Insane and blind.

Ah, no. Seriously.

millersangel was just saying that he, in his infinite wisdom, doesn't think the three lads would make it in any of the "top 4" teams.

Smegball

Titus Bramble

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Jaskaleinen is a good shout for this I think.

mayordenis

just want a little answer here not trying to annoy and honestly the idea is quite scary, what about arteta in for scholes i would think he'd do damage better tackler to.

PHB

I don't think you realise that most United fans consider Scholes still one of, if not the, best player in the team. He was our 2nd best player last year in a team that won the league. He is utterly class and imo better than any other attacking midfielder in the league last year, and this year, I think he's the 2nd best after Fabregas.
Arteta is nowhere near Scholes now, and nowhere near Scholes at the height of his game. Also Anderson I think has already shown he's got more in his game than Arteta does, even if its not totally there yet.

Timans

I would say Berbatov would get into any of the top 4. And, he'd be amazing with Rooney I think.

Also, Arteta would definitely get into the squads but not the starting 11's.

mayordenis

i'd have to disagree especially about anderson he doesn't have half the nuances and subtleties in his game that arteta has, and yea i realise ye worship people who're past their prime.

Prowetod

Young would probably start with chelsea, pool and arsenal but I cant see him making the utd team.

I would say Gordon would have good chance of making the first team in one of the top 4. Petrov for Man City is another player who could make it.

Off Topic but is Adebayor going to be playing in the African Nations Cup?

Unearthly

mayordenis wrote: »

i'd have to disagree especially about anderson he doesn't have half the nuances and subtleties in his game that arteta has, and yea i realise ye worship people who're past their prime.

Scholes has been written off before and come back just as good.

Just look at him before he got that eye injury, he was probably the worst player at the club. Then he came back last year and was excellent.

His form this season didn't match last years but only a fool/Liverpool fan would write him off not turning in more great consistent performances.

Unearthly

eoccork wrote: »

Off Topic but is Adebayor going to be playing in the African Nations Cup?

Nope, his country didn't qualify

homerjay2005

hmm, the key thing here is, are there players there that would IMPROVE the top 4. im not sure if there are many players that would walk into a fully fit top 4 side, but -

given could defo be one at arsenal. united have been interested in him before, maybe a replacement for van der sar, but foster is the number 1 option atm.

berbatov, could fit into united, but would he displace rooney/tevez at the moment? would be a good option though. anelka already has had his stints with arsenal and liverpool.

micah richards would probably be a good option for all 4 clubs, but maybe he is over rated?

liverpool need to improve in a few positions, but not sure if the type of players they need are there. defo on the winger front anyway.....hunt? thing is Des, how could you adore him if he wore a liverpool jersey?!!seriously like.

liverpool also need another striker, but im struggling to see who.

other players who i rate, but not necessarily think would improve the top 4 -

arteta and cahill, benny mccarthy(though off form this year), friedel, shorey, elano, defoe.

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homerjay2005 wrote: »

hunt? thing is Des, how could you adore him if he wore a liverpool jersey?!!seriously like.

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I never thought of that. What will I do??

homerjay2005 wrote: »

other players who i rate, but not necessarily think would improve the top 4 -

defoe.

Meh, I think Defoe hasn't fulfilled much of his early potential, he was quality with West Ham, but seems to have lost his way a little, and isn't going to get in ahead of Keane/Berbatov once the Festive Madness Fixture List is done with, unless one of them gets injured I suppose.

I think if Fergie had have wanted him, he would have taken him when he was leaving WHU. So Fergie obviously doesn't see him as good enough for United.

DSB

eoccork wrote: »

Young would probably start with chelsea, pool and arsenal but I cant see him making the utd team.

I would say Gordon would have good chance of making the first team in one of the top 4. Petrov for Man City is another player who could make it.

Off Topic but is Adebayor going to be playing in the African Nations Cup?

You don't rate Young higher than Giggs or Nani? Mad. And eh Gordon has been dropped from the Sunderland team like on occasion. He isn't that good.

Attractive Nun

Togo didn't qualify for the African Nations cup, so Adebayor won't be playing.

Edit: Whoops, answered already.

Helix

DSB wrote: »

Gordon has been dropped from the Sunderland team like on occasion. He isn't that good.

i said that when we were interested in him that he just wasnt that bloody good and i was ridiculed, i love it when im proven right

kryogen

i personally like tim cahill, think he has a great approach to the game.

Unearthly

I think Gareth Barry could be a good squad player for any of the top 4, but I reckon he'd stay with Villa

el dude

I'll just name a few players I'd like to see in the Liverpool side. Cause i really don't give a flying fcuk who would improve United, or give Chelsea more flair, or who would be English for Arsenal.

Dean Ashton - Would be the perfect foil for Torres. Big strong lad, very very intelligent player. Not the quickest, but wouldn't have to be playing alongside El Nino.

Anelka - Just a great player. Full stop. Shouldn't be wasting away at Bolton the way he is.

Berbatov - Crying out for a player of this ilk. Looks disinterested at times. But fcuk it. Holds the ball up so well and brings people into play.

Bale - Guys gonna be brilliant. We're crying out for a decent left back too. While i think Aurelio is as good as anyone when fit. The poor bsatard is made from glass.

Man City - Some great talent here. Sven has bought very very well. Elano, Petrov, Corluka would all improve Liverpool somewhat.

I'd probably throw our Robbie Keane in there too.

All in all i don't think there's too many outstanding players outside of the 'top 4'(hate that term). And the ones that are, will all be overpriced.

Mr.Nice Guy

I reckon the following...

Nicolas Anelka - Clinical
Dimitar Berbatov - Intelligent
Elano - Bags of quality. Great signing for City.
Shay Given - Remains one of the best goalies in the league
Micah Richards - Strong and powerful and still young
Roque Santa Cruz - Impressive player who brings a lot to the table.
Mikel Arteta - Crafty and cunning. A joy to watch.
Tim Cahill - Very underrated performer.
Robbie Keane - Quality on his day.
Ledley King - Solid defender, when fit of course
Michael Owen - Super striker, when fit of course
Richard Dunne - He'd fit in at Liverpool well I reckon
Obafemi Martins - I think he'd be awesome with regular service provided

pd101

I think Santa Cruz would get into a Top 4 team at the moment and from what Ive seen Nicky Butt could too with the form he has shown this season.

pickarooney

Petrov would improve any of the top four's left wings, IMO. I think he's been a more useful player than Elano all season for Man City. Roque Santa Cruz could easily display Saha, Voronin, Crouch or even Shevchenko, although it's debatable if these are first teamers and whether he's want to warm the bench at a big 4 club.
I think Arteta, for all his skill, is best suited in the smaller pond of Everton and wouldn't thrive so much at Manchester United or Arsenal.

Given is having a terrible season, maybe just a blip, but he wouldn't replace any of the top keepers at the moment (except maybe Cech, who's on a rich streak of turgidity).

I fail to see the appeal of Dean Ashton or why BBC commentators constantly fawn over him. Berbatov is not all that either. Ashley Young would improve Liverpool (or Liverpool would disimprove Young) if he replaced Benayoun or Pennant, or Kewell, though I think Babel has more potential.

eirebhoy

Robbie Keane is the premiership's top scorer for 2007. Must be in with a shout for one the awards along with Ronaldo and Fabregas.