AvP:Requiem - Oh dear

Victor

I think they actually chopped a lot from the final film, either from the screen play, the cutting room floor or so they can do a better DVD. Specificly

There seems to be a kump in the plot from the swimming poll to the National Guard showing up. The National Guard don't bring .50 cals and Strykers for that type of scenario.

Asbad wrote: »

This is actually a very gorey film, in fact they have kind of pushed the envelope on this

There are scenes with young children brutally killed as well as a pregnant women

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Not gorey, menacing. They wanted they joke scene of the baby aliens crying like newborns.

lol @ "theres no such thing as monsters" - I didn't expect it to be so immediate

Creature

Decent film, certainly a lot better than the first one. The action and gore was good fun and easily what I'd expect from a film of this type. The script was awfully lazy as most of seemed to be ripped from previous Alien and Predator films (I mean the mother and daughter were pretty much Ripley and Newt). Also the characters were heavily clichéd. But c'mon who really cares about characterization and script when you walk into the cinema to watch a film called Alien vs Predator Requiem?

senordingdong

Well that wasn't the best.
It wasn't terrible either.
Infact, it was very entertaining.

I got exactly what I paid for and had a satisfactory cinema experience.

ryoishin

I thought it was decent enough, not fantastic but it was good. I did nt have a problem seeing the aliens as some have been saying.

I thought the start was very good got you straight into it. But it did nt show the chick in the first one freezing her ass off.

I thought the pred was kinda skinny.

Id discuss it further but i dont know how to do the spoiler thing.

CerebralCortex

Creature wrote: »

Decent film, certainly a lot better than the first one. The action and gore was good fun and easily what I'd expect from a film of this type. The script was awfully lazy as most of seemed to be ripped from previous Alien and Predator films (I mean the mother and daughter were pretty much Ripley and Newt). Also the characters were heavily clichéd. But c'mon who really cares about characterization and script when you walk into the cinema to watch a film called Alien vs Predator Requiem?

Watch Alien and then watch Predator. Theres your answer.

Fizman

Saw this last night. Painfully bad is the best I can describe it. Some cringeworthy acting and horrifically cheesy lines. Way too dark...confusing scenes where you can't make out who is who. Avoid this film if you have any respect for the original predator and alien movies. Watch this film only if you can think of nothing better to do with 9 euros and 90 mins of your life. Tripe.

Pugsley

I actually really enjoyed this, no intelligence at all, and anyone expecting it is a fool, this isa violence and gore flick involving 2 of the coolest meanies about with humans in the middle getting slaughtered. The predator was downright cool, and the aliens were truely dangerous, even the predator had a hard time with them by and large, the humans were simply out classed.

Loved Jessie's death, so sporadic, wrong place, wrong time, and a healthy dose of gore, very satisfying. My main gripes were that Ripley never had to reload in the last few scenes, the convict should have died, as should his brother. Despite the fact I can't remember most of the charecters names, it was still a fantastically entertaining film.

Creature

CerebralCortex wrote: »

Watch Alien and then watch Predator. Theres your answer.

Yeah but thats the thing, the Alien and Predator are completely different types of films. AVP2 is just a great big mash-up of two species of violent monsters. It was never going to have the finesse of those original films.

My name is Todd

I cannot believe what I'm reading here.
I went to see this last night expecting a dumb, gore-filled, action-packed and enjoyable film. What I got was a total mind-f*ck. This is easily one of the worst films ever made - the sheer volume of scenes shot in almost total darkness is unbelievable.

I was expecting plenty of decent battles between the Predator and the Aliens but I couldn't even make out what was happening on screen. Coincidentally, when I arrived home from the cinema the first AvP film was on telly - it's a goddam work of art compared to this piece of sh*t.
The vulgarity of the scene with the pregnant woman is horrendous.

Plot, acting, action, pacing and effects were all rubbish.
This film has made nearly $100 million worlwide - obviously the studios don't give a sh*t what's churned out if they're making that sort of money...I got a free ticket btw.

Marks out of 10 - 1 (just for the close up of blondie's ass at the swimming pool).

FrostyJack

I cannot believe what I'm reading here.

I can't believe what I'm reading, you were shocked by

The vulgarity of the scene with the pregnant woman is horrendous.

In a film where the main story is about alien bursting out of people chests and eating their heads?

Anyone who thought it was going to be oscar nominated should have their head exaimined, it is all about violence and gore. You check your brain at the door on the way in.

It was the worst fil i've ever seen. C'mon I expected action on par with Alien

Lol do you not remember Alien correctly? It was 2 hours of build up to action but about 5 mins of actual action (mainly running). Aliens had a lot more (not dissin these films, they were both great).

And what is all this crap about it being too "dark", if it was a porno I could see your point, but as the genre goes it was fine, well I must of have watched it in Predator vision. Did you want it set at midday and the aliens to attack on an open plain so you could see them.

On a negative note the acting and lines were so bad they weren't even funny, "the government wouldn't lie to us" is one I can unfortunitly remember.

Kur4mA

I also really enjoyed this. Those implying that most of the film was so dark that they could not make out what was going on... I suggest you get your eyes tested. And those saying this that already wear prescription glasses or contact lenses, I suggest you get stronger ones. At no point during this film did I struggle to understand what I was seeing or what was going on.

If anyone went into this expecting 1. a decent plot and 2. anything other than a fair amount of action, gore and a lot of cheesy lines then to be honest you deserved to be let down. I went in expecting it to be better than the first, some gore and action with lashings of Predator kicking ass. Also, some semi-decent popcorn. That's exactly what I got and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

My favourite scene:

BY FAR was when the hot blonde chick got completely pwned and pinned to the wall when she ran in front of a spinning blade the Predator had intended to hit an Alien. Man how I lolled.

I think one thing this movie also did well was to cross some boundaries where other movies of this type just follow the rules that have been set in stone over the past few years. For example:

Young boy watching his father getting pwned by a facehugger, then getting pwned by one himself. Young boy waking up to see alien burst from his fathers chest then one bursting from his own. Old weak homeless men and women getting pwned by facehuggers and the alien-pred hybrid. Women in labour about to have her baby then getting face ****ed by the alien-pred hybrid. Then my favourite as above... the token hot blonde bimbo getting pinned to a wall.

I think this film did very well to cross quite a few boundaries as I spoilered above. Tbh, these reasons more than any made me love this film.

My name is Todd

FrostyJack wrote: »

Anyone who thought it was going to be oscar nominated should have their head exaimined, it is all about violence and gore.

And what is all this crap about it being too "dark"...

I left my brain at the door and I was still disgusted by this film.

All of the action scenes were shot in incomprehensible darkness - there's no way a human being could make sense of what was going on in those scenes.
What did you mean acceptable for the genre? The sci-fi genre? If so, it's unacceptable that you found it acceptable.

I watched AvP straight after this one and all of the aliens get good decent well-lit screen time.

FrostyJack

I watched AvP straight after this one and all of the aliens get good decent well-lit screen time.

Ah I see now why you didn't like it, I'd feel the same if my girlfriend wasn't getting equal screen time......

I think one thing this movie also did well was to cross some boundaries where other movies of this type just follow the rules that have been set in stone over the past few years

2nd that, one of the reasons I liked it.

What did you mean acceptable for the genre? The sci-fi genre?

Monster/alien genre i.e. jumping out from the dark

GrumPy

Least the first movie had a decent plot. Neither movies are a patch on aliens though.

One thing that REALLY pisses me off

What was the point showing the very end of the first movie, if it was entirely out of context?
For some reason, the dead predator from the first movie is now on what appears to be a tiny scout ship, with ONe predator working in the lab? End if first movie a ****ing mothership shows up, the dead predator is carried on by 2 or 3 of em', and there's about 30 predators looking on from outside the ship. Cut to scene where hybrid bursts free, movie ends.



This movie, as I have already mentioned starts with that exact scene, except where the **** is the massive ship, and the **** load of predators gone?!

Click the pic. Note the ARMY of predators, and the gigantic mega titanic ship

CerebralCortex

FrostyJack wrote: »

.....And what is all this crap about it being too "dark", if it was a porno I could see your point, but as the genre goes it was fine......

What genre is that then the "franchise destroying pointless movie genre"?
If I remember correctly Aliens was involved in the Oscar nominations. I could be wrong. I'm not even slightly inclined to see this movie. AVP is a farce and really does the work of Ridley Scott(who I may add has been quoted as having said he would like to be involved), James Cameron and John McTiernan an injustice.

My name is Todd

FrostyJack wrote: »

2nd that, one of the reasons I liked it.



Monster/alien genre i.e. jumping out from the dark

^^
I was amazed that this movie made $100 million around the world.
I'm not amazed any more.
The Fountain made $15 million worldwide. It's so sad when things are compared like that - it's films like AvP that stop gems like The Fountain being made.

FrostyJack

It is the same ship at the start, I think were are to assume they all die in the crash or leave just before,remember there were 2 preds in the lab, though the ship looks tiny on earth, which is a fub up

Ridley Scott(who I may add has been quoted as having said he would like to be involved), James Cameron

Don't get me wrong I would have way prefered these to be involved, but as a choice of the films never being made at all or not being perfect, I'll take the latter, though I'm sure you wouldn't. Scott was supposed to be involved Alien 5 but was shelved for AVP.

GrumPy

FrostyJack wrote: »

It is the same ship at the start, I think were are to assume they all die in the crash or leave just before

That's just plain ridiculous. It seem pretty clear to me the director/directors are just complete morons.

FrostyJack

Your right, but if you were to focus on plot holes in it, your head would explode. So Just focus on the decapitations and inpalements instead

CerebralCortex

FrostyJack wrote: »

It is the same ship at the start, I think were are to assume they all die in the crash or leave just before,remember there were 2 preds in the lab, though the ship looks tiny on earth, which is a fub up

Don't get me wrong I would have way prefered these to be involved, but as a choice of the films never being made at all or not being perfect, I'll take the latter, though I'm sure you wouldn't. Scott was supposed to be involved Alien 5 but was shelved for AVP.

I don't know that sounds pretty shallow. The potential for those franchises as quality movies has been ruined completely. But I guess that started with Alien Resurrection and Predator 2.

BlitzKrieg

If I remember correctly Aliens was involved in the Oscar nominations

forget nominations IT WON!

Aliens was nominated for seven Academy Awards and won two (Sound Effects Editing and Visual Effects). Sigourney Weaver received her first Academy Award nomination (Best Actress) for this film. Although Weaver did not actually win, it was considered a landmark for a nomination for Best Actress to even be made for a science fiction / horror film, a genre usually given little recognition by the Academy.

FrostyJack

I was thinking more along the lines of Best Film Oscar not best costumes, best kiss, best hair cut ones

CerebralCortex

FrostyJack wrote: »

I was thinking more along the lines of Best Film Oscar not best costumes, best kiss, best hair cut ones

<rolls eye>.

Burga Galti

Went to see this with my girlfriend at the weekend and we both came out with the same feeling. That is, it was entertaining but it just felt like it could have been so much more.

Also, the human characters were all a bit weak in the coward sense - especially the women which is strange for an Alien or Predator film.

There were a lot of good new ideas in the film, especially for the pred, but the main problem with it was it was just too short. 90min is just not long enough to do justice to either franchise let alone both.

I actually enjoyed all the films in both series, and the first AvP once I got over the whole modern day Antarctic setting. I imagine I'll grow to love this as well.

I'll be buying it on DVD when it comes out.

the_syco

GAH! Bits missing, like

the marine shooting from the humvee in the ad? never saw that in the movie!

. Hope an unedited DVD comes out.

Also, if you KNOW your graphics is sh|te, you hide the sh|te bits in the dark, or in the rain. Most of the film was dark and rainy.

johnny_adidas

went to see it last evening and must say i enjoyed it, much better than the first AVP with the loving caring predator.
The original predator and 'aliens' are my 2 favourite movies. I was a lot younger when i saw those movies and it was a case of never before seeing anything like that, perhaps thats the reason i love them so much. however i left that at the door, didnt try to compare this movie to those masterpieces and gave this a clean slate.
I thought the deaths etc in the movie were excellent, but i thought they shouldve shown less in the trailers as they lost some of the shock factor. The aforementioned pregnant women were a bit 'omg are they actually gona show this', but i thought cool [cool in the sense this is a movie about killer aliens attacking a present day town, obviously not cool in the sense of pregnant women being alien face loved]. same with the hunters, its about time someone skipped joining the pc brigade.
I did get the impression that some of the sequences later in the movie were modelled on those from aliens, i dont really wana go into it but if you've seen it you may get what im saying.

The syco - im almost certain i saw the part you mention

PWEI

Top Five,anyone?

This is how I rank them;

1:Alien
2:Aliens (Theatrical release) (Directors cut ruins all the tension by showing what has happened to the colony)
3: Predator
4: Alien 3 (Directors Cut)
5: Predator 2

The rest are a complete waste of time....

johnny_adidas

PWEI wrote: »

Top Five,anyone?

This is how I rank them;

1:Alien
2:Aliens (Theatrical release) (Directors cut ruins all the tension by showing what has happened to the colony)
3: Predator
4: Alien 3 (Directors Cut)
5: Predator 2

The rest are a complete waste of time....

IMO this is the exact problem some people are having, i dont feel the originals in the 2 series should be be compared with the combination movies because they set out to do different things

BlitzKrieg

I did get the impression that some of the sequences later in the movie were modelled on those from aliens,

alot of the alien attacks were modelled on attacks from the original films.

the first kill in the film on the predator skinning an alien skull is modelled on the attack in Alien 3 where you see a distorted reflection of the alien on a bowl just before the attack, you see a similar reflection just before the predalien attacks.

The scene with the national gaurd has two, one referencing Alien (the captain getting out of the apc and its a close up of the aliens face slowly opening, the framing is identical) though one can argue that the shot is a staple of the original series. The second is the marine getting jumped while looking into a car window and the alien comes up behind him, the way the alien unfolds and turns is identical to the alien that trys to jump vasquez in the hive attack and she blows it away and it kills Drake with acid.

The pregnant woman being attacked has another nod to alien 3 with the PredAlien coming through the bed curtain as a unidentifiable dark shape.

Its a shame that the film never delivers on any of them though.

Necronomicon

I think they modelled a lot of the scenes where an Alien killed a human from the originals too. I remember as a kid ****ting myself whenever you saw the close-up of the Alien leaning over face-to-face with its victim for a few seconds before killing it.

In Requiem, there's two scenes like that I can think of;

the waitress who gets killed in the restaurant kitchen, and the homeless woman in the sewer

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FrostyJack

alot of the alien attacks were modelled on attacks from the original films.....Its a shame that the film never delivers on any of them though.

Funny every cowboy film that had a gun fight is shot the same i.e the camera pans down to the holster then they draw, one guy falls over. They should never have made another one after the original, one cowboy move, one film with aliens, one WWII film etc, because all the rest are going to be copies. Original is best, we should all be driving Model T Fords.........:rolleyes:

red dave

johnny_adidas wrote: »

IMO this is the exact problem some people are having, i dont feel the originals in the 2 series should be be compared with the combination movies because they set out to do different things

Totally agree.

Requiem should be compared to the first AVP and not the sentimentalities to the originals of both series.

I really enjoyed this movie and thought it was a lot of fun. It was a hundred times better than the first one.

BlitzKrieg

Funny every cowboy film that had a gun fight is shot the same i.e the camera pans down to the holster then they draw, one guy falls over. They should never have made another one after the original,

Havnt watched alot of westerns have we

FrostyJack

Well I saw Back 2 the Future 3, surely that counts:p

constitutionus

well caught this today and enjoyed it immensly. this whole film is basically a predator clean up op and has a host of lovely little things thrown in to expand subtly on the mythos of the franchises, admitedly mostly the predators with a look at their homeworld and some more predator tech.

the human cast is pretty much fodder for the aliens/predalien who has some interesing inovations bestowed upon it from its predator heritage, mainly to do with reproduction, prehaps a nod to resurrection and what happened with the alien there but mainly its just fecking huge and the scrap with the agent sent to sanction it are suitably brutal.

ive read alot about how gory it is but to be honest in ireland its a 16s film and i didnt think it was that bad. certainly not in comparison to dawn of the dead or even 30 days of night. dont get me wrong theres pleanty of blood but youve seen it all before. the only difference is the targets. kids and pregnant women for instance so i guess its more grusome in places than hide behind your hands disgusting.

all in all its a fun film and a far superior sequel to its original which'll have ya chomping down the popcorn.

by the way i dont know how to do the spoiler things so i'll just ask this cryptically.

is that woman at the end who i THINK she is? if so thats a lovely tie in

BlitzKrieg

is that woman at the end who i THINK she is? if so thats a lovely tie in

As in Yutani of Weyland Yutani then yes, if she is also meant to represent a character from the predator franchise or the comic series then its gone over my head.

constitutionus

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

As in Yutani of Weyland Yutani then yes, if she is also meant to represent a character from the predator franchise or the comic series then its gone over my head.

looks like im wrong then, well i may as well say it then. i thougt it was the chick from the orignal arni predator film who was the only other survivor besides him.

johnny_adidas

ya, that one was cambodian or where ever predator one was set

Morlar

Just watched this after avoiding the reviews like a good thing. I thought it was surprisingly good and also dont think that it should be counted as part of the alien franchise but as part of the AVP franchise.

This blows the first avp out of the water. Surprisingly hard hitting compared to what I had expected what with

little timmy & pops at the beginning and the pregnant women & unborns being used like that. The way they killed off significant characters randomly was also refreshing to see in a big hollywod flick. I am actually looking forward to the next one - the resident evil franchise people could learned a thing or two from this movie imo.

jayteecork

This might have been ok save for the appalling acting, the awful editing, and the dire lighting.
It was welcome to see a return to the Brutality of the original Alien/Predator movies, but this one was all over the shop. It's easily known it was the Brothers Strauss' first movie.

Some scenes were utterly ridicolous, for example when the Predator "wolf" arrives first, his job being clean up the mess created by the Predalien. So he's going around carefully, vaporised the spacecraft, dissolving any bodies to remove any evidence. Then some hapless cop stumbles upon him. Of course he couldn't let the cop live, but rather then dispose of the body in the manner he was using, he skinned him alive and left him hanging upside down in a tree. I mean, WTF?

I agree with the poster above that the killing off of principal characters was good. Particularly when Jesse got on the wrong end of one of the Predator's "shuriken".

lostexpectation

it was okay, fun, but you could see alot of got cut. lets see the directors cut.

if you look for avp trading cars you'll see stuff they tried where the pred alien skins the preds he kills in the ship, but they have bright green blood it looks really stupid and they didn't end upusing it thank science

Sherifu

jayteecork wrote: »

Some scenes were utterly ridicolous, for example when the Predator "wolf" arrives first, his job being clean up the mess created by the Predalien. So he's going around carefully, vaporised the spacecraft, dissolving any bodies to remove any evidence. Then some hapless cop stumbles upon him. Of course he couldn't let the cop live, but rather then dispose of the body in the manner he was using, he skinned him alive and left him hanging upside down in a tree. I mean, WTF?

I was thinking the same thing while watching the movie. The only thing I came up with is that he got rid of all the evidence of the aliens and killed the cop in such a way as it could have been done by a person(s). It would have made more sense if he had of got rid of the body, I loved that blue ****. Reminded me of mr. freezes from my school days.

I enjoyed the movie, it wasn't hard to top AvP but they did it well even if it was silly at times. I liked the way they transformed the inside of the hospital to tie in with the original alien movies. At times it played more like a dodgy horror movie but I still enjoyed it. I was wondering who the woman was at the end too. Nice tie in.

I went to see it on opening night and enjoyed it for what it is. It's a mindless, action romp which is quite acceptable fare once you turn your brain off and just go with it. It felt like something that had been made in the late 80s and someone discovered it in a garage somewhere.

Pugsley

jayteecork wrote: »

Some scenes were utterly ridicolous, for example when the Predator "wolf" arrives first, his job being clean up the mess created by the Predalien. So he's going around carefully, vaporised the spacecraft, dissolving any bodies to remove any evidence. Then some hapless cop stumbles upon him. Of course he couldn't let the cop live, but rather then dispose of the body in the manner he was using, he skinned him alive and left him hanging upside down in a tree. I mean, WTF?

He never vaporised anything he killed if memory serves (with 1 obvious and rather amusing exception), think the cop was meant to be a sort of 'trophy'.

Morlar

I thought he was there on a clean up job - to wipe out the aliens and remove any trace of them.

The human was a bonus on the side killing of another 'top of the food chain' armed opponent and so the predator 1 (non-alien-connected) rules of gutting and display of the trophy kick in.

That out of the way its back to wiping out the aliens & removing any trace of them.

constitutionus

plus if i remember the publicity on this correctly i thought it was set after the two predator films so theyve already got a rep with the cops for leaving bodies like that around considering what they got up to in LA

but yeah it is a bit stupid as i was looking at the film as a mop up operation on the part of the preds too. this was meant to be a job, not a hunting trip like the other outings

Jack B. Badd

Just watched this and talk about a waste of my time. 90% of the film are scenes that are lifted partially or totally from either Aliens 1-4 or Predator 1 & 2. The film lacked any suspense (which was a key feature in most of the Alien films and both of the Predator films). It seemed to serve only as a backdrop for a load of not very interesting action scenes and some baby molestation. The only part of the film that actually made me sit up was the bit where

Blondie McBoob (sorry, I couldn't be bothered finding out her real name) gets killed

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I got the distinct impression that this film was trying desperately to be shocking;

way more gore and violence than the previous film or any of the originals, pregnant women and unborn babies being attacked along with the kid at the start (Alien and Predator films seem to steer clear of showing kids getting ripped apart afair)

but it failed dismally because the violence felt routine and apart from a few semi-decent effects (so overused they could hardly be called special) it had sod all else going for it.
On the other hand, I was aware that this was going to be crap so I can hardly complain all that much. Strangely, the trailer was a hell of a lot better than the film itself. I think it was selling a different product :rolleyes:

Beekay

Did anybody else notice the guy at the end re-using a line from Predator?

The guy shouting at his brother "get to the chopper"

Morlar

Beekay wrote: »

Did anybody else notice the guy at the end re-using a line from Predator?

The guy shouting at his brother "get to the chopper"

Unless he says it like 'Git to ze chappa' it could just be a coincidence.