Bareback

Sleepy

ztoical wrote: »

Can some of the guys on here clarify why they don't like wearing condoms...don't just quote the usual answers, why do you, from your own expirences, not like wearing them?

As a girl I honestly can't say I notice a difference and seeing as I had a boyfriend get off through his pants using only my foot the whole "it lessens the feeling" line I just don't buy.

ztoical - try asking your partner to give you oral sex through a dental dam and then try it without - there's a world of a difference in the sensation.

Speaking solely from my personal experience I've tended to be the more insistent on protection that the ladies I've been with. Maybe one third were insistent about wearing a condom, one third didn't protest at my inisistence and another third have been of the 'it's alright I'm on the pill / I hate those things' persuasion.

Sleepy

ztoical wrote: »

Also cheers for all the replies boys - sorry if I ofended with the whole why don't like condoms questions....just happy no one replied with "cus they are too hard to put on"

They are a bit of a passion killer but in fairness if ya can't put one on should you really be allowed have sex?

irishguy

ztoical wrote: »

As long as they were clear "they'd never heard of anyone getting pregnant" and not "no ones ever got pregnant while on the pill"

Ya they have never heard of anyone getting pregnant from it. I wouldn't expect they to say its not possible as they are leaving themselves open to a lawsuit

ztoical

Sleepy wrote: »

ztoical - try asking your partner to give you oral sex through a dental dam and then try it without - there's a world of a difference in the sensation.

how do you know I haven't already

Sleepy

Sleepy wrote: »

They are a bit of a passion killer but in fairness if ya can't put one on should you really be allowed have sex?

Thats not entirely fair. It should be up to both the man and the woman to know how to put on a condom. But I agree with you, its not really an excuse as the condoms always come with detailed instructions as to how to put them on.

ztoical

Sleepy wrote: »

They are a bit of a passion killer but in fairness if ya can't put one on should you really be allowed have sex?

Out of interest hands up how many peoples first time using a condom was when they were drunk, in the dark, under the covers and trying to kiss someone?

Just wondering if anyone got the banana/condom demo at school

irishguy

We got the banana/condom demo in school about 9 years ago (god i am getting old!!!!) and some bbc sex ed videos. We even got some in primary school (with your parents consent) I taught this would be standard in most schools??

irishguy

irishguy wrote: »

We got the banana/condom demo in school about 9 years ago (god i am getting old!!!!) and some bbc sex ed videos. We even got some in primary school (with your parents consent) I taught this would be standard in most schools??

Nope, but it should be standard. There's no way to stop underage sex (well, maybe if chastity belts came into fashion..) but they could at least ensure they know the safe way.

ztoical

irishguy wrote: »

We got the banana/condom demo in school about 9 years ago (god i am getting old!!!!) and some bbc sex ed videos. We even got some in primary school (with your parents consent) I taught this would be standard in most schools??

not in my seconday or primary school - I mentioned it earlier in the thread but all I got was two videos that were hosted by a nun. No mention of condoms or the pill or anything. Lucky I had a mum I could talk freely to but still didn't actually see/thouch a condom till first year in college

L1011

Sleepy wrote: »

Have to admit, I've never heard of anyone other than a prostitute using condoms for oral before...

Would be very curious to hear the medical reason for higher rates of transmission of HIV to uncircumcised men if anyone's aware of it?

Skin on circumcised mens glans has become, erm, keratinised or some similar term (I am NOT looking up the Wikipedia article on that in work!), meaning its less porous and less moist and less suitable for HIV to live on/get through; or at least thats what The Lancet or BMJ or whatever was lying around work article I read suggested...

LouOB

I like the saying 'neat dress essential'
you not dressed properly you not coming in - drunk or not. I repsect my health and partner health alot more than afew thrusts - lessor feeling or not.

What if you or your partner have something - dont know about it and pass it onto your children.> Is is being very irresponsible for your health at end of day. If you catch something no one to blame other than yourself.
To put it another way. You have to live with yourself for along time, coulld you live with something hanging over your head if there was something you could of done to prevent it.

JC 2K3

Piste wrote: »

Hmm I have a question if any of you biology nerds know anything about it!

So basically progestogen stops the egg stickimng to th lining of the womb blah di blah di blah, so if you got pregnant on the pill could you just keep taking in and it would....detatch? I've wondered about this for some time!

What do you think the morning after pill is?

You could take a megadose of the pill and it'd probably have the same effect.*

*Not necessarily true, since there are loads of different types of pills, and definitely not recommended.

Thaedydal wrote: »

Yes we need proper health based sex education in this country.
Thing is who is going to provide it ?

The internet!

Sleepy

ztoical wrote: »

how do you know I haven't already

If that's the case, was there not a major difference? I'd be very surprised to hear that female genitalia was less sensitive to a difference in sensation than male genitalia when using/not using barrier contraception!

Deleted User wrote: »

Thats not entirely fair. It should be up to both the man and the woman to know how to put on a condom. But I agree with you, its not really an excuse as the condoms always come with detailed instructions as to how to put them on.

Who said I was only refering to men? Your post does stand to show the very bias you're questioning however - you automatically assumed I meant that only men shouldn't be allowed to have sex if they can't put a condom on. IMHO, it's definitely something both partners should be able to do - the female putting it on is one great way of working past the 'passion killer' part: especially if she does so with her mouth

ztoical wrote: »

Out of interest hands up how many peoples first time using a condom was when they were drunk, in the dark, under the covers and trying to kiss someone?

Just wondering if anyone got the banana/condom demo at school

Erm, I'm sure I wasn't the only bloke to have a 'dry run' the first time I bought a box...

MYOB wrote: »

Skin on circumcised mens glans has become, erm, keratinised or some similar term (I am NOT looking up the Wikipedia article on that in work!), meaning its less porous and less moist and less suitable for HIV to live on/get through; or at least thats what The Lancet or BMJ or whatever was lying around work article I read suggested...

Cheers MYOB So it turns out the jewish were right (albeit a few thousand years before the virus existed). Now starting to wonder if perhaps AIDS or something similar may have existed thousands of years ago and circumcision was the primitive preventative 'cure'... interesting.

L1011

Sleepy wrote: »

Cheers MYOB So it turns out the jewish were right (albeit a few thousand years before the virus existed). Now starting to wonder if perhaps AIDS or something similar may have existed thousands of years ago and circumcision was the primitive preventative 'cure'... interesting.

The same process is believed to reduce sensation somewhat significantly, though. And its apparently VERY painful to get it done as an adult. You're choice

ztoical

Sleepy wrote: »

If that's the case, was there not a major difference? I'd be very surprised to hear that female genitalia was less sensitive to a difference in sensation than male genitalia when using/not using barrier contraception!

With that person the difference wasn't so great that I had issue with but I will be honest and say I think that came down to the person, their skill and the over all enjoyment of the night.

it might just be the difference between men and women and this may start a totaly different debate but I want sex to be alot more then just "insert penis" All this talk about sensation and feeling has me wondering what kinda of foreplay people are having.

pclancy

eep.

Toto Wolfcastle

MYOB wrote: »

The same process is believed to reduce sensation somewhat significantly, though.

Yup, a guy I know says he barely feels anything.

RubyXI

my bf still uses extra safe condoms, even tho i'm on the pill. He really mustn't feel much. id rather he used something lighter

Sleepy

MYOB wrote: »

The same process is believed to reduce sensation somewhat significantly, though. And its apparently VERY painful to get it done as an adult. You're choice

That's no choice whatsoever. I was curious as I've always argued that it's a barbaric practice which shouldn't be tolerated on religious or 'hygienic' grounds.

ztoical wrote: »

With that person the difference wasn't so great that I had issue with but I will be honest and say I think that came down to the person, their skill and the over all enjoyment of the night.

it might just be the difference between men and women and this may start a totaly different debate but I want sex to be alot more then just "insert penis" All this talk about sensation and feeling has me wondering what kinda of foreplay people are having.

Thinking you're missing out?

Seriously though, I get where you're coming from but the extra sensation of natural sex helps add to the emotional intimacy of the act. Particularly from the point of just being able to progress to/from penetrative sex without the need to stop proceedings to 'suit up'.

AARRRGH

Sleepy wrote: »

the extra sensation of natural sex helps add to the emotional intimacy of the act.

I would agree with this. I would also say the intimacy of (sorry to go all technical) the penis touching the vagina, and the semen going into the vagina, is an important part of sex. After all, that is the purpose of sex. You are "not supposed" to be putting the semen in a rubber tube.

It's just unfortunate that STI's and unwanted pregnancies come with the territory.

MIN2511

speaktofrank wrote: »

For those of you who think the odd bareback session with someone you trust and think might be ok.......makes you think. A half an hour of pleasure and then.....

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055209822


Also those for you who said it's the girls job to sort contraception...cop yourselves on. What age are you?

This is such a ball breaker? Gonna post on that now, but it's reality hitting the nail on the head.
FOR THOSE MINUTES OF PLEASURE IT DEFINITELY ISN'T WORTH IT

MIN2511

dublindude wrote: »

I would agree with this. I would also say the intimacy of (sorry to go all technical) the penis touching the vagina, and the semen going into the vagina, is an important part of sex. After all, that is the purpose of sex. You are "not supposed" to be putting the semen in a rubber tube.

Bold reply... but all the same it is true..
Caveman in all of us isn't necessarily the smartest!

humbert

MIN2511 wrote: »

This is such a ball breaker? Gonna post on that now, but it's reality hitting the nail on the head.
FOR THOSE MINUTES OF PLEASURE IT DEFINITELY ISN'T WORTH IT

It's not just a few minutes of pleasure though, like catching that episode of buffy before heading into college, it's a significant part of any relationship. While people have caught HIV in what they were sure was a trusting monogamous relationship I'd imagine it's very rare.

There's very little pleasure in life without some element of risk attached. From sky diving to going for a walk, you might die. I'm not saying that people with a partner they trust shouldn't wear a condom, but I am saying that it's not an open and shut case.

Spyral

It's just unfortunate that STI's and unwanted pregnancies come with the territory.

its what its made for ... both things... babies and fun..

also where's the option for "johnny hats are against my religion" ?

Terry

Spyral wrote: »

its what its made for ... both things... babies and fun..

also where's the option for "johnny hats are against my religion" ?

You've been in the UK for too long.

The Catholic church are now the most evil thing to ever happen to Ireland.
They are to blame for all of societies ills. As such, all mentions of the religion formerly known as Catholicism are now to be stricken from all forms of media, for fear someone may be offended.
Any support of said religion will have you struck down any pissed on, because, you know, it's the stuff of scumbags, paedophiles, the poor and the insane. Any right (hah) thinking person knows that religion (especially Catholicism) is pure evil.

Piste

JC 2K3 wrote: »

What do you think the morning after pill is?

You could take a megadose of the pill and it'd probably have the same effect.*

that was going to be my next question


Seeing as the MAP is basically a smaller dose of the abortion pill (though a different compound i think) what's stopping people taking two (or more) doses of the MAP if they are really desperate?





If anyone's about to get freaked and worry "oh god what's that girl going to do to her body?! I'm sure daddy would pay for a "shopping trip" in London...:p

Victor

Messing about with pharmaceuticals on an ad-hoc basis is a fools game. Some medications are designed to have secosndary effects (like vomiting) to discourage abuse.

Taking the MAP more than something like once a year is considered dangerous.

Sleepy

Sleepy wrote: »

If that's the case, was there not a major difference? I'd be very surprised to hear that female genitalia was less sensitive to a difference in sensation than male genitalia when using/not using barrier contraception!

Lots of women use some kind of barrier to masturbate, like silk.
Condoms = More friction = More sensation for women.

dublindude

dublindude wrote: »

I would also say the intimacy of the semen going into the vagina, is an important part of sex. After all, that is the purpose of sex.

Schiesse! Would you feel more intimately connected if someone left you a massive goober from a kiss?
I think your view is odd.

AckwelFoley

i akin bareback riding to drink driving.


Is convenient, it can be great craic and feels fine at the time, but you can ruin your life and the life of others by doing it... and you feel like a dick head the next morning.

AARRRGH

dublindude wrote:

I would also say the intimacy of the semen going into the vagina, is an important part of sex. After all, that is the purpose of sex.

Moonbaby wrote: »

Schiesse! Would you feel more intimately connected if someone left you a massive goober from a kiss?
I think your view is odd.

If the purpose of sex isn't to put semen into the vagina (and get the girl pregnant), what is the purpose of it?

How do you plan on having children?

cance

snyper wrote: »

i akin bareback riding to drink driving.


Is convenient, it can be great craic and feels fine at the time, but you can ruin your life and the life of others by doing it... and you feel like a dick head the next morning.

+1

L1011

dublindude wrote: »

If the purpose of sex isn't to put semen into the vagina (and get the girl pregnant), what is the purpose of it?

How do you plan on having children?

What if he doesn't plan on having children; or there isn't even have a vagina involved when having sex?

ztoical

dublindude wrote: »

If the purpose of sex isn't to put semen into the vagina (and get the girl pregnant), what is the purpose of it?

How do you plan on having children?

If your only going to have sex when your trying for a baby then a hell of alot of people of this thread would never be having sex. Humans are one of the few animals that have sex for enjoyment and not just for breeding. Sex isn't all about the big finish at the end, its about sharing intimacy with someone even if its just for those few moments. Your genitals aren't the only sensitive parts on your body and good sex with lots of foreplay and imagination can be just as full filling as two minutes of frantic trusting.

It just sounds like theres alot of vanilla sex going on here and people don't seem to think that sex is anything more lie down, insert, trust, repeat. I'm not saying everyone go out and develop a fetish or try something mad and kinky but try exploring different options. We are slowly getting better about sex in this country and you can buy a ton of sex help books in Easons now

prendy

i akin bareback riding to drink driving.


Is convenient, it can be great craic and feels fine at the time, but you can ruin your life and the life of others by doing it... and you feel like a dick head the next morning.

very good post!!

AckwelFoley

yes.

I put some thought into that one

BraziliaNZ

I really think people on boards and in PI are overly paranoid about STDs...
I've had unprotected sex quite a few times. I don't carry condoms because I only seem to get laid a couple of times a year unless I have a girlfriend. Recently I was banging a chick and was drunk off my ass each time she came back to mine, having not got ANY for 8 months I really didn't give a sh*t about condoms or any of that and she didn't mention it so I assumed she was on the pill or whatever. Seriously... I'd like to know what percentage of people have STDs? It's probably less than 1%... what are the odds? 8 months with no sex and you expect me to worry about a 1 in a 100 chance of getting an STD? No Siree!!!

AckwelFoley

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

I really think people on boards and in PI are overly paranoid about STDs...
I've had unprotected sex quite a few times. I don't carry condoms because I only seem to get laid a couple of times a year unless I have a girlfriend. Recently I was banging a chick and was drunk off my ass each time she came back to mine, having not got ANY for 8 months I really didn't give a sh*t about condoms or any of that and she didn't mention it so I assumed she was on the pill or whatever. Seriously... I'd like to know what percentage of people have STDs? It's probably less than 1%... what are the odds? 8 months with no sex and you expect me to worry about a 1 in a 100 chance of getting an STD? No Siree!!!

OH LOL!!

You my friend are in for a big suprise..

if you're lucky that suprise will only be in the form of a few warts on ur cock, but you are waaaaaayy off the mark. There are alot of STD's out there. I dont go bareback, perhaps only 3 or 4 different women, the rest id wrap him up nice and tight. I love him too much to make him ill..

We're rather close, me and him

ztoical

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Seriously... I'd like to know what percentage of people have STDs? It's probably less than 1%... what are the odds?

lol awwwwwwwwwwwww aren't you precious? 1%? man I've tears coming down I'm laughing so hard.

why not do some proper research? Get some responsible answers.

1 in 4 women and 1 in 5 men have genital herpes. Up to 80% of the population (depending on whose statistics you use) have coldsores which are oral herpes.

Up to 80% of the population (again - depending on who's statistics you use) will have at least one form of the HPV virus in their lifetime. Unless a man has a form of HPV that causes warts - there is no test to see whether or not he carries the cancer causing HPV's.

More women than men tend to have STD's - largely because women are more likely to catch one from a man than a man is from a woman - women are, unfortunately, physiologically more succeptible.

Commonly reported prevalences of STIs among sexually active adolescent girls both with and without lower genital tract symptoms include chlamydia trachomatis (10 to 25%), Neisseria gonorrhoeae (3 to 18%), syphilis (0 to 3%), Trichomonas vaginalis (8 to 16%), and herpes simplex virus (2 to 12%).Among adolescent boys with no symptoms of urethritis, isolation rates include C. trachomatis (9 to 11%) and N. gonorrhoeae (2 to 3%)

As early as 1996, WHO estimated that more than 1 million people were being infected daily. About 60% of these infections occur in young people <25 years of age, and of these 30% are <20 years. Between the ages of 14 and 19, STDs occur more frequently in girls than boys by a ratio of nearly 2:1; this equalizes by age 20. - thanks again wikipedia what would we do without you.

I won't bother giving you odds on getting a girl pregnant as its been covered earlier in the thread.



O and going back to a point made alot earlier in the thread bout not just practicing safe sex but also good hygiene what I meant by that was not all STD's are transmitted via fluids - herpes and crabes transfer via skin to skin contact so its always good to wash all your bits and clean your sheets and towels [and be careful if you get a dose of crabs not to share towels with anyone, for those living at home imagine how happy your parents would be if you gave everyone in the house a dose?]

Crabs just give me the creeps, imagine head lice but down below, crawling around, eek!

MIN2511

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

I really think people on boards and in PI are overly paranoid about STDs...
I've had unprotected sex quite a few times. I don't carry condoms because I only seem to get laid a couple of times a year unless I have a girlfriend. Recently I was banging a chick and was drunk off my ass each time she came back to mine, having not got ANY for 8 months I really didn't give a sh*t about condoms or any of that and she didn't mention it so I assumed she was on the pill or whatever. Seriously... I'd like to know what percentage of people have STDs? It's probably less than 1%... what are the odds? 8 months with no sex and you expect me to worry about a 1 in a 100 chance of getting an STD? No Siree!!!

You sir have something coming your way:eek: Your problem isn't ignorance... whether you get laid once a year or 5 times a year you need to protect your friend down there! And you assumed she was on the pill, jeez hopefully she doesn't come knocking on your door in a few weeks

The Dudette

I can't believe how some people don't seem to understand that STDs and unplanned pregnancy is a real thing that happens everyday, not some urban legend...

I think it was 4 or 5 times in total that myself and my partner didn't use a condom (and I wasn't on the pill either) and it's down to one of those times that will be giving us our first child in April. Thankfully as I say that was with my boyfriend (now my fiance) so we're delighted with the situation now, but it was still a shock in the beginning. People have to wake up from this "It won't happen to me" dream world that they're in and listen to the commercials It only takes one sperm...

king_of_inismac

Here's the answer:

USE CONDOMS AND THE PILL, EVEN IN A RELATIONSHIP, UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY WANT KIDS

Sex is fun, but at my age a kid is the last thing I'd want. Why risk it?
That way you're doubly protected because a condom will fail at some point.

It is a HUGE responsibility having kids. Don't have it thrust upon for sheer laziness. Just be responsible and have great sex!

CathyMoran

We go bareback, but then again we are happily married and are desparate for kids. I don't know if we can have any as I had chemo and it is tough. Having said that, before when we were using protection (condoms only) we had a happy "accident" but we lost it by miscarriage after just one month.

AARRRGH

snyper wrote: »

if you're lucky that suprise will only be in the form of a few warts on ur cock, but you are waaaaaayy off the mark. There are alot of STD's out there. I dont go bareback, perhaps only 3 or 4 different women, the rest id wrap him up nice and tight. I love him too much to make him ill..

Condoms don't protect you from warts.

AARRRGH

ztoical wrote: »

Humans are one of the few animals that have sex for enjoyment and not just for breeding.

You are looking at sex from a high level. I am looking at it from the basic, instinctual level. We can talk all we want about humans being clever and evolved etc., but nearly everything we do is motivated by some sort of basic instinct. There are loads of reading material on the web about this.

I'll give you a quick example - using your high level thinking, you don't want your partner to cheat because it's hurtful. On a basic level, it's because there's a risk he'll transfer his resources (emotional, protective, etc.) to another woman.

Your partner doesn't want you to cheat. On a high level it's because he will be hurt. On a basic level it's because he might have to raise someone else's baby.

So when it comes to sex, the basic reason we do it is to reproduce. That involves putting sperm in the vagina.

I really believe this is the reason so many people have unprotected sex.

Can you honestly say you don't care whether your partner ejaculates in a condom or ejaculates in you? There is no satisfaction difference?

toiletduck

snyper wrote: »

i akin bareback riding to drink driving.


Is convenient, it can be great craic and feels fine at the time, but you can ruin your life and the life of others by doing it... and you feel like a dick head the next morning.

Not really, if in a long term relationship and she's on the pill there's no big deal. it adds to the intimacy of the act. In that case it's more like eh regular driving!

AARRRGH

snyper wrote: »

i akin bareback riding to drink driving.


Is convenient, it can be great craic and feels fine at the time, but you can ruin your life and the life of others by doing it... and you feel like a dick head the next morning.

Bad analogy. Drink driving is EXTREMELY risky behaviour to yourself and innocent bystanders.

Unprotected sex is not particularly risky (hardly any Irish people catch HIV, nevermind from one instance of unsafe sex).

You only feel like a dickhead the next morning if you have an unrealistic view of how dangerous unsafe sex is. Or because you associate guilt with sex (a big problem in Ireland.)

daveirl

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ztoical

dublindude wrote: »

Bad analogy. Drink driving is EXTREMELY risky behaviour to yourself and innocent bystanders.

Unprotected sex is not particularly risky (hardly any Irish people catch HIV, nevermind from one instance of unsafe sex).

You only feel like a dickhead the next morning if you have an unrealistic view of how dangerous unsafe sex is. Or because you associate guilt with sex (a big problem in Ireland.)

I agree its not the best ananlogy but the attitude that hardly any Irish people catch HIV is a hugh issue in this county. HIV has been on the rise in this country, mainly due to high immigration from areas with higher risk levels and its has lead to this attitude in this country that [a] only non-irish people catch HIV or only gay people have HIV. Around 50% to 55% of HIV cases in this country came from africa that still leaves a good chunk that did not. The number of cases of HIV among gay men has dropped where as the number of cases among straight men and women has jumped. This is mainly down to the gay community taking action and pushing safe sex awareness. And its hard to judge some of the figure as Irish people still don't get tested as regularly as people from other countries do. Out of all my friends the only people I know who have been to get a full set of STDs test as my gay friends, all my straight friends take the head in sand it will never happen to me approach. [by friends I'm just counting my irish friends]

We really need to wake up and stop thinking the biggest risk from sex is pregnancy.

AARRRGH

ztoical wrote:

HIV... We really need to wake up and stop thinking the biggest risk from sex is pregnancy.

I don't have the figures on me, but I remember looking at the statistics for new HIV cases in Ireland for 2006. It worked out that something like 15 non-drug using heterosexual Irish males caught HIV, and 15 non-drug using heterosexual Irish females caught HIV. Considering how much unprotected sex is going on, this would make HIV a VERY LOW RISK (for heterosexual, non-drug using, Irish people.)

It is not known how many of the 15 males and 15 females were having sex with an African partner, or used to inject drugs, or were males who have sex with men but are "not gay".

I am not saying don't use condoms. I am just saying people should have a bit of perspective.