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Who Errs Sins .....THE ' Lost ' SAS
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Anyone who writes of the Brits is being very naieve indeed, MI5 and MI6 still get up to a wide variety of activities here in Ireland as well as in the rest of the world eg Africa. They are still large players on the world scence, such to the point they even invaded Iraq. Albeit they were battered out of Basra.
" MI5 and MI6 still get up to a wide variety of activities here in Ireland as well as in the rest of the world eg Africa ". Totally agree, in this country often with the full conivence of our ' independent ' government of our so called republic that the 26 counties is often claimed to be.
" They are still large players on the world scence, such to the point they even invaded Iraq ". Don't agree, they joined the USA in the invasion of Iraq as a puppet force, without USA backing or approval their nobody's. To be honest, could you see them going in on their own ?? Mind you that would give McArm something to chuckle about
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McArmalite wrote: »A Belfast wit once described an SAS member as " As a man who can speak 6 languages while disguised as a bottle of Guinness ".
Talk about smuggling butter - that takes me back. I'm from a border town and well I remember smuggling butter across in my fathers car with school bags, sports bags etc been used to conceal the goods back in the 70's 
. To be honest, I don't think the Customs or the Guards really cared about a bit of petty smuggling by families etc, everyone done it along the border. If they stopped us, normally they just took a quick look under the seats and the boot and waived us on. I also was in the 'sandbaggers' (FCA/Reserve) as the regulars affectionately called us :rolleyes:. Done a few camps in Fort Dunree and Finner in my time, good old buzz.
The fella who was believed to have crossed the border to a house a stone's throw from the North and abducted an unarmed Republican at gunpoint was SAS Capt Tony Ball. This 'hero' was also named in Tim Pat Coogan's The IRA P606 as one of those responsible along with Capt Nairac for directing and supplying the bombs used in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings in 1974. The Provos have been unusually adamant down the years that they later shot Ball in the North while the brits claim he was killed in a car accident abroad. Draw your own conclusions.
BTW, Nairac was gay, not something you'd associate with the super hard, macho men the SAS are supposed to be.
Bob Nairac was not a badged SAS member, he was a member of 14Int.
Tony Ball was killed in Oman in car crash crash whilst serving a Colonel in chief of the Sultan of Omans special forces, after he had left the army.
The PIRA claim they killed him is a lie.
The claim RN was gay is simply a rumour.0 -
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McArmalite wrote: »I actually did "bother to check" with google, yahoo several times under Captain Tony Ball, Tony Ball death/sas etc a long time ago to see if I could find more info on him but nothing found. If you have the link could you post it ?? As for sending a hit team out to Oman. Well since they were well able to track down informers living on the continent, America etc almost wiping out the british govt at Brighton and dropping mortars into the back of Downing St etc, I think organising a hit team to whack one individual in Oman wouldn't have been their most difficult operation by any means if they got the chance. But as I clearly said, they claimed they shot him in the occupied counties, not Oman.
.....................Maybe you should have tried searching under his real name...Capt Julian Ball, but then being such a font of knowledge I presumed you knew that
I very much doubt a PIRA ASU went out to Oman and killed a senior staff officer in the Sultan of Oman's armed forces.0 -
Pathfinder wrote: ».....................Maybe you should have tried searching under his real name...Capt Julian Ball, but then being such a font of knowledge I presumed you knew that
I very much doubt a PIRA ASU went out to Oman and killed a senior staff officer in the Sultan of Oman's armed forces.
Well thank you for putting my correct on the british terrorists first name, from memory I think Tim Pat Coogan had him listed as Tony Ball *, but then I'm only a thick Paddy and not a super smart Anglo Saxon like yourself.
But then for such a super smart Anglo Saxon he goes on again about the possibility of the Provos killing him in Oman again. :rolleyes: Maybe if I put it in bold the boy might understand this time. But as I clearly said, they claimed they shot him in the occupied counties, not Oman.
BTW, did you find Nairac yet ??
*Also even Liam Clarke of the Sunday Times referred to him as 'Tony Ball'.
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that's the second time in a week we've agreed on somethingMcArmalite wrote: »but then I'm only a thick Paddy
:DMcArmalite wrote: »BTW, did you find Nairac yet ??[/B]
ooh, is this a game? are we getting warmer?
Oh I give up, where is he?0 -
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I agree, it's not like the PIRA were honest. The IRA claimed they assasinated The General Martin Cahill too, but who knows who really did it.
Anyway it's a very intereting read but tbh i don't think Rep Ireland would have succeeded in their goal to take N Ireland. In those days the Army was in tathers, no offence to anyone who served back then, but it would have been a bloody mess.
Correct the Army was in tatters, but the RUC/B Specials was even worse !!!!!! Their arnaments consisted of revolvers, old Lee Enfeild .303's, and their state of the art hardware was - the Sten gun !!!! Oh yeah, and a handful of old WW2 armoured cars. ( Recently watching a programm on the IRA arms raids in the 50's, I think it was Gough barracks, all that the brits had guarding the entire barracks was one sentry at the entrance with a Sten gun and in true british army efficentcy he didn't have any ammo !!! So basically, when a lorry load of IRA men pulled up, one IRA man with a revovler was able to capture the entire barracks ) 0 -
McArmalite wrote: »Correct the Army was in tatters, but the RUC/B Specials was even worse !!!!!! Their arnaments consisted of revolvers, old Lee Enfeild .303's, and their state of the art hardware was - the Sten gun !!!! Oh yeah, and a handful of old WW2 armoured cars. ( Recently watching a programm on the IRA arms raids in the 50's, I think it was Gough barracks, all that the brits had guarding the entire barracks was one sentry at the entrance with a Sten gun and in true british army efficentcy he didn't have any ammo !!! So basically, when a lorry load of IRA men pulled up, one IRA man with a revovler was able to capture the entire barracks )
I think Sean South and his mates might beg to differ, that RUC Sgt was on cracking form with that Bren.:)0 -
Fratton Fred wrote: »that's the second time in a week we've agreed on something:D
ooh, is this a game? are we getting warmer?
Oh I give up, where is he?
I'm just highlighting how when you scratch the surface of a brit, you get a vain, conceited mouth underneath. The Orish - thick, the French - frogs, Italians - dirty eyeties, Spainish - greasy dagos, Aussies - uncouth ( unlike you English 'gentlemen' ) Germans- brutish krauts etc, etc. But it all goes back to the days not that long ago the brits of all classes used to mouth off that their was only two races in the world, the british and the rest.
" The SAS officially killed around 50 terrorists, ........ and lost two men in SAS operations,"Pathfinder wrote: »The SAS officially killed around 50 terrorists, including virtually wiping East Tyrone brigade and lost two men in SAS operations, I don't see how thats a "less then satisfactory record".........Maybe they were just a bit too good.:D:D
Just stick to reading your Bravo Two Zero, Who Dares Who wins fictious nonsense that fellas like you swallow up on every word. Grow up and read a proper account like Raymond Murray The SAS in Ireland. It's written in a clinical, methodilogical style and you'll see the real truth about the self declared brillance of the SAS. ( They are that brillant that in the Gulf War 2, the American command ruled them out of any operations of importance - but doubtless you'll tell us about some ultra secrat SAS operation that really did win the Gulf War2 and not the USAF etc, etc ).
An example of how the SAS brillance was invented regarding Nairac as stated before - Biggles type hero of the SAS, e.g. how his cover was so good that the Provos thought he was a 'Stickie' * , and how it took 7/8 IRA thugs to abduct him while he managed to smash teeth, ribs and limbs due to his Super Karate skills that the Super SAS possess before he was dragged away etc, etc. when in actual fact it was one man, a local boxer, who overpowered him and disarmed him of his gun. - That's the REAL SAS for you.0 -
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Pathfinder wrote: »It has previously been pointed out to you RN was not a member of the SAS, yet still you persist with misrepresentations and lies, 22 SAS counter revoluntionary warfare wing decimated East Tyrone brigade and destroyed PIRA moral to continue the war, many more honest republicans even admit this.
Oh yes indeed, I forgot, he wasn't in your words a 'badged' SAS member. So, even though he maybe was trained, directed and participated with the SAS he wasn't a SAS memeber because he didn't offically get his little badge Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck - but it's not a duck.
It's interesting, because before the accusations from human rights groups etc, about the Dublin bombings, the Miami Showband massacre, the lovely 'Bob' was practically the poster boy Biggles type hero of the SAS. So now they want to deny he ever had anything to do with them. Talk about " misrepresentations and lies,".
But still, I suppose the brits with all their silly regimental 'traditions' and 'customs' would split hairs over whether he was 'badged' or not. Stop your lying and just admit, their washing their hands of him.
Loughall* was a huge blow to the IRA in Tyrone in 1987, but if you check out the facts, the IRA in Tyrone as well as the rest of the country continued to campaign for another 10 years, until 1997 cesaefire. So much for " destroyed PIRA moral to continue the war "
BTW - are you in the brits, where are you from ?
* Conviently you also forgot to mention that the 'badged' or 'unbadged' or whatever undercover unit also shot dead a completely innocent Catholic, several times wounded his brother and riddled a woman's car fortunately not wounding her but leaving her in severe shock. Ah yes, the super effiicent 14 Intl./SAS, 'badged' or 'unbadged' world's greatest or whatevr you want to call them.0 -
Pathfinder wrote: »I think Sean South and his mates might beg to differ, that RUC Sgt was on cracking form with that Bren.:)
And doubtless the IRA were often in more cracking form down the years with the hundreds of ridles, machine guns, bren guns and ammo supplied courtesy of british incompetance.
As I asked before, are you in the brits, where you from ?0 -
McArmalite wrote: »As I asked before, are you in the brits, where you from ?
Ideally that should not matter to the discussion. Knowing where someone is from allows you to form an opinion of them solely based on where they are from.
Obviously Mc is not the type of guy to immediately jump to conclusions and brand someone with labels............
I'm from the Monaghan/Armagh border. I have lived on both sides of the border and have immediate family in Emyvale,Blayney,Armagh,Cross and Cullaville. I beleive that my interest in military history was developed by regular exposure to miltary check points as a kid.
And i'll think you'll find that yes the SAS were not as successful as the (their)media portray them but then again neither were the volunteers of the IRA. However the Loughall incident did help the British force to prevent the emergence in Fermangh/East Tyrone of a similar 'no-go' area as had been cultivated in South Armagh.
P.S. The SAS were not given pivotal roles in Gulf War 2 (as you call it) as the US forces suffered from a somewhat mistaken belief in their own abilities. This belief hindered them in Tora Bora when the SAS could have got Bin Laden but the US wanted to do it themselves.0 -
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McArmalite wrote: »And doubtless the IRA were often in more cracking form down the years with the hundreds of ridles, machine guns, bren guns and ammo supplied courtesy of british incompetance.
As I asked before, are you in the brits, where you from ?
Put an s on the end of my user name, then do a google search, this may give you a clue 0
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