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Who Errs Sins .....THE ' Lost ' SAS
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McArmalite wrote: »I'm just highlighting how when you scratch the surface of a brit, you get a vain, conceited mouth underneath. The Orish - thick, the French - frogs, Italians - dirty eyeties, Spainish - greasy dagos, Aussies - uncouth ( unlike you English 'gentlemen'
) Germans- brutish krauts etc, etc. But it all goes back to the days not that long ago the brits of all classes used to mouth off that their was only two races in the world, the british and the rest.
More abuse eh? you are really starting to get desperate. I've never heard the one about there being only to races before. I'll have to use that one in future, thanks.
We have several diferent names for people from different countries, We call the French Frogs, they cal us Roast beef. Kraut is actually an American term for Germans, but it is used in Britain, like it is here. I haven't heard anyone from Spain called a greasy dago for decades and as for the Aussies being uncouth, most of them are pretty well house trained now from what I hear:p.
Tell me, you are live in Dublin but you are from Ulster, are you a muck savage, a culchie, a dirty Dub, a Jackean or a nordie? oops, sorry, the irish would never resort to name calling would they:rolleyes:0 -
Ideally that should not matter to the discussion. Knowing where someone is from allows you to form an opinion of them solely based on where they are from.
Obviously Mc is not the type of guy to immediately jump to conclusions and brand someone with labels............
I'm from the Monaghan/Armagh border. I have lived on both sides of the border and have immediate family in Emyvale,Blayney,Armagh,Cross and Cullaville. I beleive that my interest in military history was developed by regular exposure to miltary check points as a kid.
And i'll think you'll find that yes the SAS were not as successful as the (their)media portray them but then again neither were the volunteers of the IRA. However the Loughall incident did help the British force to prevent the emergence in Fermangh/East Tyrone of a similar 'no-go' area as had been cultivated in South Armagh.
P.S. The SAS were not given pivotal roles in Gulf War 2 (as you call it) as the US forces suffered from a somewhat mistaken belief in their own abilities. This belief hindered them in Tora Bora when the SAS could have got Bin Laden but the US wanted to do it themselves.
Fair enough Bramble, fair enough. ( From the border meself, not your part though
.) Totally argee with your view regarding the success of the SAS/UVF and the IRA. I posted before, and it's a long time since I read it, but in Raymond Murrays book The SAS in Ireland, which is an honest and clincial attempt to report on the subject and not the endless Biggles type tribe that's normally claimed by the SAS/UVF members, the encounters that happened between them generally happened by accident than design. But still, considering the resources, backup, endless hours to train and practise, the Provos did more than just put it up to the 'Super soldiers' of the " best fighting force in the world " claptrap. Shades of Tom Barry and Kilmicheal 
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I have no doubt if the position was reversed and the SAS/UVF had to work fulltime jobs as brickies, postmen etc and take on a fulltime Provo unit with their resources, no guessing what the resullt would have been.
As for the SAS/UVF not been given a greater role in Gulf War 2, I thought it was due in part tot the fiasco of the Bravo Two Zero escapade ? Back in 1991 when the issue of destroying the scuds was raised, the british wanted some mission to glorify their supermen. The yanks said ( sensibly I would have thought ), what's the point of going to all that trouble dropping in a covert team of foot soldiers whan a few F 16's can take them out quicker with a fraction of the fuss. But still the british wanted some daring-do mission to mouth off endlessly about and insisted on SAS doing it. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's what I seen several years on a documentary.
Again correct me if I'm wrong, but the SAS nearly catching Bin Laden.......the usual Biggles stories I'd say. Thank God the Americans caught Saddam though, if the brits caught him we'd never have heard the end of it for all time :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Sound Bramble.0 -
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Pathfinder wrote: »Actually you baffoon it was the SBS (Royal Marines version) who nearly caught Bin Laden.
The Yanks own special Forces, the Delta Force is based on 22 SAS and was set up by the SAS.
In Gulf War 1, the Yank general in charge praised the SAS for ambushing and destroying Iraqi missiles convoys by covertly waiting for them pass.
Its only armchair republicans who slag off their capabilties as a unit, because as you know they destroyed the PIRAs moral to keep fighting, be that by ambushes, collusion or whatever.
It was Bramble who stated " in Tora Bora when the SAS could have got Bin Laden but the US wanted to do it themselves. " not me ya buffoon.
But it's back to " The SAS officially killed around 50 terrorists, ........ and lost two men in SAS operations, " time :rolleyes: As for the SBS nearly catching him, was he paddling down a river in a canoe or something ?
So the " The Yanks own special Forces " the Delta Force, Green Berets, US Navy Seals, are " based on 22 SAS and was set up by the SAS. ". God what you learn on the interweb. I suppose the French Foreign Legion * was set up by the SAS/UVF also ? But since I heard once that the SAS/UVF were supposed to be based on the Ninja ( sneaking around the place, assainations, the black clothes all that mallarky ), surely it's our 16th century Japanese friends whom should get the praise ?
Republicans change of tatctics has all to do with the inevitable nationalist majority due to the papes high birth rate than anything the SAS/UVF or SBS or dad's army or whatever did.
* ( NOW we're talking about the most deadly and elite fighting force in the world. They'd go thru the SAS/UVF like a knife thru buttter. )0 -
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Fratton Fred wrote: »I think it was was stormin Norman who mentioned asking British intelligence to find out about the Scud guidance system prior to desert storm starting. British intelligence asked the SAS to help, so the SAS went into Kuwait and brought back a scud guidance system, along with the missile, the launcher and the 12 man crew that went with it.
Do you live in a total FANTASY LAND pal. He must have obviously been reading too many SAS/UVF daring-do books and cannot now diffeniate between fiction and fact. The Americans didn't have ask the brits to find out about the Scuds, all they had to do was use their satellites to find them ya dummy.
" so the SAS went into Kuwait and brought back a scud guidance system, along with the missile, the launcher and the 12 man crew that went with it. " Just done a search under - scud missile picture - and the bloody things are ENORMOUS. What a sad little man. Did they carry the whole lot in their rucksacks ??Fratton Fred wrote: »Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the Russians designed the Scud missile and it's launcher, the possibility of attack by American aircraft was possibly considered. Aircraft are great at hitting targets that don't move around on a continuous basis, which is what the scud is designed to do.
Well since their transported on a lorry type vehicle and since the USAF had no problem taking out much smaller tanks and so on, and I think you'll agree that tanks do move around on a continual basis, I'd put me money on a few F 16's than on the SAS/UVF.0 -
the guidance system you dummy, I'm pretty sure they knew what the things looked likeMcArmalite wrote: »Do you live in a total FANTASY LAND pal. He must have obviously been reading too many SAS/UVF daring-do books and cannot now diffeniate between fiction and fact. The Americans didn't have ask the brits to find out about the Scuds, all they had to do was use their satellites to find them ya dummy.
you answered that one yourself, they drove the ****ing thing back over the border:rolleyes:McArmalite wrote: »" so the SAS went into Kuwait and brought back a scud guidance system, along with the missile, the launcher and the 12 man crew that went with it. " Just done a search under - scud missile picture - and the bloody things are ENORMOUS. What a sad little man. Did they carry the whole lot in their rucksacks ??McArmalite wrote: »Well since their transported on a lorry type vehicle and since the USAF had no problem taking out much smaller tanks and so on, and I think you'll agree that tanks do move around on a continual basis, I'd put me money on a few F 16's than on the SAS/UVF.
Except of course tanks come out into the open to fight. Scud launchers are hidden, moved on and hidden again, that was the whole point of them. Iraq is a big country and a scud isn't really that big, where the **** is your problem in understanding that. Maybe they should have sent in a Ninja from Dublin to do the job instead eh, O'Lep;)0 -
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Fratton Fred wrote: »I'll have a look. In the meantime you might like to look at this http://www.geocities.com/saspastandpresent/letter_commendation.htm Load of bollox mate, if you expect to believe that's authentic, absoulute load of bollox. " none of these ( Coalation) forces possessed the requisite skills and abilities required to conduct such a dangerous operation. The only force deemed qualified for this critical mission was the 22d Special Air Service (SAS) Regiment......... The area in which they were committed proved to contain far more numerous enemy forces than had been predicted .....the terrain was much more difficult than expected and the weather conditions were unseasonably brutal.....". Total load of bollox, but sure your the type of little schoolboys who eats up every scrap of 007 stuff that they put out about themselves. Sad, very sad.
Just like did paper ever refuse ink, did a web page every refuse html ???0 -
McArmalite wrote: » Load of bollox mate, if you expect to believe that's authentic, absoulute load of bollox. " none of these ( Coalation) forces possessed the requisite skills and abilities required to conduct such a dangerous operation. The only force deemed qualified for this critical mission was the 22d Special Air Service (SAS) Regiment......... The area in which they were committed proved to contain far more numerous enemy forces than had been predicted .....the terrain was much more difficult than expected and the weather conditions were unseasonably brutal.....". Total load of bollox, but sure your the type of little schoolboys who eats up every scrap of 007 stuff that they put out about themselves. Sad, very sad.
Just like did paper ever refuse ink, did a web page every refuse html ???
fine, you carry on living in your fantasy land then pal.0 -
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Fratton Fred, I'm sorry, but whatever about Pathfinder and McArmalite, you are starting to sound like a Walt.
The SAS involvement with Scuds was to destroy them and their infrastructure to prevent attacks on Israel and Saudi Arabia. Small unit tactics meant they could get closer and meant not sending a large force over a huge distance.
They had no use for a Scud guidance system - seeing as it was designed abount 1960
Which was is the missle or the guidance system?
Which border? the one with 1.5 millions soldiers along a 300km front? Thats 5 soldiers per metre of front, by the way. Easy to sneak by.
He's talking a load of bollox Victor, but the british boys always do when they mention the the Supersoldiers of the SAS :rolleyes:. Since their empire is thankfully dead and gone, they have to make a big hype about something militarily, hence the SAS Supermen fantasy stories. Their still endlessly going on about the Iranian Embassy seige in 1980, no daring-do SAS rescue attempt of the british naval people who were in Iranian waters last year though. No, an ar$e kissing, butt licking rescue was more like it. 0 -
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Would an SAS man have the balls to face me on his own is more like it Fred ?Fratton Fred wrote: »They are incredibly well trained, I don't think there is any doubt about that, but they are just human at the end of the day.
Of course, I guess their biggest crime is being part of the British military, no matter what they do you are going to critcise it. Obviously as a "Broken Down Colonial Empire" they are no match for your super Ninja skills, but I wonder would you have the balls to say any of this face to face with a member of the SAS? I doubt it somehow.:D 0 -
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