Obama - chances he'll be assassinated?

Manic Moran · 04-01-2008 9:49pm

Welcome to American Media. Just like all the news stations and the vast majority of print media, they run 'Op-Ed' sections/segments where political favouritism is blatant. Though I was amused by the Sharpton snippet and the clip from Comedy Channel.

My local major newspaper, San Francisco Chronicle, is rather biased itself. I don't think I'd see "Bertie Death Watch: Countdown!" written by a columnist in the Irish Times. (Obviously SF's was "Bush"). I haven't seen an official endorsement yet, but given that they ran a front-page headline of "Is Obama really black?" last year, I'm inclined to think they support Clinton.

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Mr.Micro · 04-01-2008 10:13pm

If Bush can get 2 terms then any candidate with the cash and backing can make it. Reagan got in on what, his acting resume? Fox news is just scared that a black candidate might be president so it resorts to racism and xenophobia.

Manic Moran · 04-01-2008 10:31pm

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Reagan got in on what, his acting resume

Same route that Arnie took: He became a very popular governor of one of the largest and most influential states.

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SpAcEd OuT · 05-01-2008 2:28am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=559kCaH1Shw

Even worse.

Absolutely ridiculous

Jesus Wept · 05-01-2008 9:45am

Should much be read into this?

'However the nominating campaigns end up, some Republicans were already fretting over Iowa caucus returns that showed 239,000 Democrats turned out and only about 116,000 Republicans.'
Source

It's been reported a number of times.

It is likely just temporary and the Republicans will probably unite once they have their nominee.

DMC · 05-01-2008 10:06am

The-Rigger wrote: »

It is likely just temporary and the Republicans will probably unite once they have their nominee.

And if that happens, Mike Bloomberg sail in up the inside and overtake everyone as a third party candidate.

Jesus Wept · 05-01-2008 10:15am

DMC wrote: »

And if that happens, Mike Bloomberg sail in up the inside and overtake everyone as a third party candidate.

Mike has to decide if he is a Democrat or a Republican. :rolleyes::p

silvine · 05-01-2008 2:32pm

snyper wrote: »

this 9is not far from possability.. at all..

Personally, i think he hes likely to gey whacked for been a democrat alone.

If he done for because hes black, and the product of a mixed race.. it would be a real shame.

So it's grand if he gets whacked for being a Democrat??

Mike has to decide if he is a Democrat or a Republican

Mike has enough money to run for president without party support. He just might come unstuck when it comes to the electoral colleges voting.

Jesus Wept · 05-01-2008 4:49pm

Obama will be assassinated, politically, the same as any other democratic presidential nominee.

lostexpectation · 05-01-2008 6:26pm

jeez another thread on this, edwards is talking more left then obama, he talks about the working class and taking on corporate america, I think he's more like the kennedies then obama, will he be assasinated?

Manic Moran · 05-01-2008 7:34pm

The-Rigger wrote: »

Should much be read into this?

'However the nominating campaigns end up, some Republicans were already fretting over Iowa caucus returns that showed 239,000 Democrats turned out and only about 116,000 Republicans.'
Source

It's been reported a number of times.

It is likely just temporary and the Republicans will probably unite once they have their nominee.

Not necessarily. The Democratic Party attracted more independents (You can register for a party on the day in Iowa in order to vote in the primary) than the Republican party, indicating that as a group the selection of Democratic candidates appealed to more middle-of-the-road voters than the Republican selection.

This is not necessarily going to apply during the November elections, because no longer is a 'selection of candidates' on offer. You're down to one. For example, there is a particular Democratic candidate who I think is better than both all the other Ds and all of the Rs. I might prefer all the other R candidates over the rest of the D candidates though. (I don't, but it's an extreme for the example). I shall be voting for said D candidate in the Primary. However, should this candidate fail to receive the nomination, I may decide that the D Candidate who was selected is worse than the R nominee, and flip back over.

To put it more graphically, let's say my order of preference of all the candidates is "D1, R1, D2, R2, D3, R3, D4, R4, D5, R5 etc." I would vote in the D primary in the hope that D1 would secure the nomination. If it happened, then D1 would get my vote in the Presidential. However, if D3 actually won the nomination, and the R nominee is R1 or R2, well, I don't care if I voted D in the Primary, I'm crossing the line.

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ghostdancer · 05-01-2008 10:00pm

of course, the majority of those independants, and first-time caucus-goers in Iowa went for Obama. if he were to get the nod, it seems that he would be able to sway far more independants to his side, as well as an increased turn-out for the democrat candidate overall.
Iraq is obviously something that, while not a huge factor in the primaries, could sway alot of independants in the general.

Hillary on the other hand, I can't see holding many of the independants or first-time voters who voted Democrat in Iowa.

the polls in X Democrat vs. Y Republican seem to show this, Obama comes out on top in almost every single poll against any Republican (McCain the only one giving him a close run).

Hillary on the other hand was very close against some Republicans, and lost to Guiliani anyway, and i think McCain too.

i can't see independants and first-time voters swinging for Hillary in the general in the same numbers as they did for Obama in Iowa.....

fly_agaric · 06-01-2008 12:32am

daveirl wrote: »

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Is the current White House very "pragmatic" though?

But then I suppose unless you are high above the top quartile of earners or are running/own lots of stock in a war/security/"Iraqi reconstruction contractor" company gorging at the overflowing government trough the Bush Whitehouse has not been so successful either...:D

moe_sizlak · 06-01-2008 5:01pm

i think a lot of people are so excited at the prospect of america having its 1st black president that they have not really thought deeply about what exactly obama has to offer

having watched him this past yr or so , while he is charismatic and likable , i think hes pretty short on substance , a bit of an empty vessel

i hope hillary wins but if a republican does win , then i would like to see john mc cain win , i think mc cain is a decent man

Jack Sheehan · 06-01-2008 5:39pm

Could we please have a thread on general discussion of obama rather than the chances that someone is going to murder him. It does seem rather morbid.

Moriarty · 06-01-2008 6:16pm

Feel free to create one Jack Sheehan.

sovtek · 09-01-2008 8:50pm

Ummm I hate to break it to you but Obama is hardly a political "outsider". He will never be assassinated as he's quite comfy with the political elite. He might not take money from lobbyists but he sure as hell says things they like to hear. He's quite pleasing to every powerful lobby in America...Israel, military.etc etc
John Edwards is also telling pleasing tales.
I'm sometimes very surprised how people over here don't seem to realize this. You have a fairly tenacious media over here, unlike America, yet seem to think status quo candidates are somehow going to revolutionize American foreign/domestic policy for the better.
The only people that are going to do that aren't mentioned often...IE Kucinich, Paul, Nader
It doesn't matter if Hillary/Obama/Edwards get in things in Iraq and Afghanistan are pretty much going to stay the same. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if Iran is still attacked with the Democrats running things (that's assuming they win, which still isn't written in stone).

moe_sizlak · 11-01-2008 6:13pm

sovtek wrote: »

Ummm I hate to break it to you but Obama is hardly a political "outsider". He will never be assassinated as he's quite comfy with the political elite. He might not take money from lobbyists but he sure as hell says things they like to hear. He's quite pleasing to every powerful lobby in America...Israel, military.etc etc
John Edwards is also telling pleasing tales.
I'm sometimes very surprised how people over here don't seem to realize this. You have a fairly tenacious media over here, unlike America, yet seem to think status quo candidates are somehow going to revolutionize American foreign/domestic policy for the better.
The only people that are going to do that aren't mentioned often...IE Kucinich, Paul, Nader
It doesn't matter if Hillary/Obama/Edwards get in things in Iraq and Afghanistan are pretty much going to stay the same. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if Iran is still attacked with the Democrats running things (that's assuming they win, which still isn't written in stone).

spot on

hillary is certainly no foreign policy dove

Ekancone · 12-01-2008 7:14pm

Obama reminds me of Bobby Kennedy a bit, and we all know what happened to him. So yeah, he will be assassinated.

moe_sizlak · 21-01-2008 5:48pm

daithifleming wrote: »

Obama reminds me of Bobby Kennedy a bit, and we all know what happened to him. So yeah, he will be assassinated.

obama is no bobby kennedy

hes a lightweight albeit a likeable one

Ekancone · 21-01-2008 7:47pm

moe_sizlak wrote: »

obama is no bobby kennedy

hes a lightweight albeit a likeable one

Agreed, but i did say a bit.

SteveS · 21-01-2008 8:25pm

sovtek wrote: »

Ummm I hate to break it to you but Obama is hardly a political "outsider". He will never be assassinated as he's quite comfy with the political elite. He might not take money from lobbyists but he sure as hell says things they like to hear. He's quite pleasing to every powerful lobby in America...Israel, military.etc etc

This is very true, though I would like to see proof that he hasn't met with lobbyists or has been as hands off as he wold like people to believe. Most candidates say they don't listen to lobbyists, but I think that is mostly BS. I have two friends that work as lobbyists and they are plenty busy.

Reagan got in on what, his acting resume?

I was only 10 when he got elected, but I recall that he may have gotten some boost from being governor of California from 1967 to 1975.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=559kCaH1Shw

Even worse.

Absolutely ridiculous

Yeah, that was bad, but that was a Fox affiliate, not Fox News. There is a big difference. Local affiliates are not run by national network.

davej · 29-01-2008 1:51pm

Ok now he has the Kennedy Clan behind him and is being compared to Robert and JFK.... :eek:

davej

Ekancone · 29-01-2008 3:18pm

Hate to say i told ya so!

speedboatchase · 03-02-2008 7:32pm

Whoever thought Edwards was actually going to win at the start of this thread should be assassinated

Manic Moran · 12-02-2008 6:40am

Is it just me, or would you ordinarily think that at an Obama campaign office, the picture of Obama should be bigger than the picture of Che Guevara?

The reporter doesn't comment on it, but look at the back wall about 15 seconds in.

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=5700252&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1

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Hobbes · 12-02-2008 8:28am

Once someone is running for president they are given full secret service protection. Assasination of a runner is taken very seriously. So I doubt it is possible.

Character assasination is fair game though: “I certainly don’t know what he believes in. The only foreign policy thing I remember he said was he’s going to attack Pakistan and embrace Ahmadinejad.” - George Bush.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/11/obama-slams-bush-after-bush-misstates-his-foreign-policy-positions/

Hobbes · 12-02-2008 8:38am

Manic Moran wrote: »

Is it just me, or would you ordinarily think that at an Obama campaign office, the picture of Obama should be bigger than the picture of Che Guevara?

As character slurs go that is pretty tame. I mean Fox news have already claimed his middle name is "Osama", that he went to a "Madrassa". Trying to tie him to Che (and then to Castro) is the next logical step, despite that not being his office.

Manic Moran · 12-02-2008 5:56pm

If you actually watch the link, it's a very neutral piece. Don't just go off the URL.

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Hobbes · 13-02-2008 7:55am

Manic Moran wrote: »

If you actually watch the link, it's a very neutral piece. Don't just go off the URL.

NTM

I watched it and agree. However I am sure other anti-(Obamas/democrats) are quoting the flag as proof that he likes to shag Castro.

Obama - chances he'll be assassinated?

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