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Connor Lenihan & Immigration
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This doesn't happen in reality, because no solicitor will take a "hopeless" case.
Wrong & this has already been covered in other threads - see 'under-employed solicitors rolling the dice'.
I thought he already clarified what he was saying himself no?I think what he is saying is that it would appear that applications are not being properly assessed by the first instance committee, judging by the large number of applicants who are granted refugee status on appeal.This is about citizenship, not immigration - he's already here, remember?!?
He does not have full legal residency which is a point I think you are aware of.Should his wife leave too?
I think she may be treated less fairly in the american system than this person is treated under the Irish system. Obviously it makes sense to check out the requirements before going - make the application and then when everything is in order at that point would it be ok to go.He already lives here.
When I said - he wants to live here - I referred to 'legally'. Pretty sure you knew what was meant there too.These institutions cost sovtek money too and they work in the interests of all Irish residents, not just Irish people.
They are there primarily to serve my interests as an Irish person - otherwise they would have an open door free for all. The point here was clear also.Again, this is about citizenship, not immigration as such. Would you not like to see a reduction in the time taken in the processing of these applications so as to reduce the cost to the taxpayer?
As I said there are legitimate concerns that the system is there to address and bogus immgirants and welfare tourism etc are serious enough that I can live with a waiting list stretching into years and years to be honest.
Ireland has taken in a record number of refugees? What sort of record?
What are you actually trying to say here ? Splitting hairs or have an actual point?As for the schools, that is another matter entirely, i.e. appalling planning.
No - schools are an indicator of the amount of immigrants coming to this country. This seems obvious to me - hence when I said 'put this country through an incredibly rapid change that we are still trying to get accustomed to. This is evident in the fact that our schools for example are simply not able to handle it."Actually, I went through US immigration in California recently with my wife and we had forgotten to fill in a section on a form. The immigration official was extremely polite and courteous and we had absolutely no hassle getting through what-so-ever.
Tourism and immigration as you know are 2 different things. No one is saying that the americans working in immigration are necessarily impolite - just that there rules are more strict. If you go there without paperwork in order you will be deported at your own expense.There have of course been other occasions when I have encountered utter assholes - it depends on who you get.
You can't really compare the Irish system with the American in particular, which is basically just a lottery as far as I can tell.
Yes you can of course compare the 2 different systems. How Irish people are treated when immigrating to the United states (or australia) and in this case how an american wanting to immigrate to Ireland is treated in our system - that is a valid comparison in my book.It's certainly not a system we should aspire to.
Why not ? You were just saying how delightful they are to deal with. I think there are elements of their system that would be useful in our context.0 -
I don't see what that has to do with anything?I think she may be treated less fairly in the american system than this person is treated under the Irish system.
I don't remember him saying he was here illegally? From what he has said, he appears to be doing his utmost not to invalidate his application for citizenship.When I said - he wants to live here - I referred to 'legally'.
No they are not. They are there to serve the interests of everyone living in Ireland, Irish or not.They are there primarily to serve my interests as an Irish person - otherwise they would have an open door free for all.
I'm not sure what a "bogus immigrant" is or how it applies to this situation. Besides, this is somewhat at odds with a post of yours earlier:As I said there are legitimate concerns that the system is there to address and bogus immgirants and welfare tourism etc are serious enough that I can live with a waiting list stretching into years and years to be honest.
"We are already paying to house feed and clothe every bogus asylum seeker in this country..."
So, based on this, you are more than happy to have huge waiting lists for citizenship applications, costing the taxpayer far more than they ought to, but you complain about the cost of asylum seekers, which is largely a result of the delay in processing their applications? Bit of a double-standard, no?
You said that Ireland has taken in a record number of immigrants/refugees. I asked, quite reasonably, with respect to refugees, what sort of record are we talking about? I am not aware of Ireland breaking any records with respect to refugee intake recently.What are you actually trying to say here ? Splitting hairs or have an actual point?No - schools are an indicator of the amount of immigrants coming to this country.
Schools in this country were bursting at the seams long before we had an influx of immigrants. I remember being in a school in west Dublin 10 years ago that had almost 1,000 students when it was only built for 750. The point is that there is a lack of school places in this country because of atrocious planning. If you build a large residential development and don't build any new schools nearby, then it doesn't matter who moves into the new houses, whether they are from Leitrim or Laos, there's still going to be a chronic shortage of school places at some point in the very near future.
And I am telling you from my own experience, this is not the case. I have travelled to the US several times (once to work there) and although I have encountered rather obnoxious immigration officials on more than one occasion, I have yet to be deported, or refused entry, or whatever way you want to put it.If you go there without paperwork in order you will be deported at your own expense.
So basically you're saying that just because an Irish person is likely to be treated badly by the US immigration system, then we should be spiteful and treat potential US immigrants poorly? Or are you saying that US immigrants to Ireland should be grateful that our country treats them better than their country would treat us under similar circumstances? Either way, it still does not justify having what looks like a very inefficient system.Yes you can of course compare the 2 different systems. How Irish people are treated when immigrating to the United states (or australia) and in this case how an american wanting to immigrate to Ireland is treated in our system - that is a valid comparison in my book.
I was obviously talking about one particular official, not the system as a whole.Why not ? You were just saying how delightful they are to deal with.
Such as?I think there are elements of their system that would be useful in our context.0 -
I don't see what that has to do with anything?
Comparing other countries immigration procedures and their system with our own.I don't remember him saying he was here illegally? From what he has said, he appears to be doing his utmost not to invalidate his application for citizenship.
Fingers crossed some day you invalidate yours I think you meant validate there - or to put it another less hair splitting kind of way to make legal and above board.No they are not. They are there to serve the interests of everyone living in Ireland, Irish or not.
Again with the hair splitting. My original post said that they were there primarily in my interests but also in the interests of potential immigrants. You could probably split hairs for Ireland. Aside from splitting hairs do you actually have a point ? Ever ?I'm not sure what a "bogus immigrant" is or how it applies to this situation..
Someone who has no intention of working or contributing to our economy.Besides, this is somewhat at odds with a post of yours earlier:
"We are already paying to house feed and clothe every bogus asylum seeker in this country..."
So, based on this, you are more than happy to have huge waiting lists for citizenship applications, costing the taxpayer far more than they ought to, but you complain about the cost of asylum seekers, which is largely a result of the delay in processing their applications? Bit of a double-standard, no?
Thats not a double standard though it does seem too complicated for you to understand. Properly assessed applications cut down on fraud - in the immediate short term this may mean longer waiting lists for applicants but in the long run it cuts down on years and years of fraud. If you still honestly dont understand that I suggest asking a grown up.Schools in this country were bursting at the seams long before we had an influx of immigrants
The massive intake of people into this country has contributed to the overcrowding problem in our schools system. You can make the point that better planning may have helped to alleviate it - but if you are trying to say there is no connection I would disagree.And I am telling you from my own experience, this is not the case. I have travelled to the US several times (once to work there) and although I have encountered rather obnoxious immigration officials on more than one occasion, I have yet to be deported, or refused entry, or whatever way you want to put it.
If you go there to live with your paper work in order - and you are discovered you will be deported.So basically you're saying that just because an Irish person is likely to be treated badly by the US immigration system, then we should be spiteful and treat potential US immigrants poorly?
The only person saying 'should be spiteful' in this thread is you. I dont recall saying that the americans were spiteful either.Or are you saying that US immigrants to Ireland should be grateful that our country treats them better than their country would treat us under similar circumstances?
Given a choice of that and the constant 'complain complain complain' - whining and bitching then yes they should be grateful.0 -
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