Query

Hivemind187

If you have a number of PM's from a specific moderator whom you believe to be acting out of personal motivations rather than in the spirit of charters/boards.ie etc is it totally out of order to publish them for all to see just how daft said mod is being or just direct them to the Admins?

feylya

Send them to a smod or admin. Making private messages public is very frowned upon.

Ruu_Old

Get permission from said mod if you wish to post them publically or contact Cat Mod, S-mod or Admin.

biko

Get touch with a SuperMod. One of them should be along soon.

Boston

Well you can publish, but once you do so you kinda loose the right to go to the admins. Best place for this is in the helpdesk forum, or via pm.

Karoma

Send them on to the CMod. I think I can guess which one it'll be judging from a quick glance at your history. The CMod for that section is quite active and reasonable. I'd recommend that as the best way forward.
Unless it's me and my PM's. (a) I stand by my name-calling, (b) I really did do yore ma.

Hivemind187

Karoma wrote: »

Send them on to the CMod. I think I can guess which one it'll be judging from a quick glance at your history. The CMod for that section is quite active and reasonable. I'd recommend that as the best way forward.
Unless it's me and my PM's. (a) I stand by my name-calling, (b) I really did do yore ma.

Thats alright Karoma ... at least you're consistant

I've sent them on to the relevant Cmod. Cheers.

Boston

Karoma wrote: »

Send them on to the CMod. I think I can guess which one it'll be judging from a quick glance at your history. The CMod for that section is quite active and reasonable. I'd recommend that as the best way forward.
Unless it's me and my PM's. (a) I stand by my name-calling, (b) I really did do yore ma.

I don't think its the section you're thinking of.

stevenmu

Should a moderators PMs really be private ? I know moderators are users too and send normal PMs just like anyone else and these should be private, but should users not be free to post up PMs received in a moderating capacity ?

6th

stevenmu wrote: »

Should a moderators PMs really be private ? I know moderators are users too and send normal PMs just like anyone else and these should be private, but should users not be free to post up PMs received in a moderating capacity ?

Sounds fair enough to me.

Silverfish

stevenmu wrote: »

Should a moderators PMs really be private ? I know moderators are users too and send normal PMs just like anyone else and these should be private, but should users not be free to post up PMs received in a moderating capacity ?

Interesting idea. I like it.

Shiminay

Transparancy in the system eh? Sounds like democracy to me and this ain't no democracy

muffler

stevenmu wrote: »

Should a moderators PMs really be private ? I know moderators are users too and send normal PMs just like anyone else and these should be private, but should users not be free to post up PMs received in a moderating capacity ?

No I dont agree with that all. Private means private and thats the way it should stay. Why not just call them MMs so - mod messages.

There are times when it is necessary for others (Cmod, Smod admin etc) to see the contents of PMs but that content should never be put in the public domain unless both parties were in full agreement to it.

Hobart

No real hard and fast rule tbh. I don't remember any PM's being made public being frowned upon (but I am open to correction) publish and be damned tbh.

Hobart

muffler wrote: »

No I dont agree with that all. Private means private and thats the way it should stay. Why not just call them MMs so - mod messages.

There are times when it is necessary for others (Cmod, Smod admin etc) to see the contents of PMs but that content should never be put in the public domain unless both parties were in full agreement to it.

Bit of a contradiction tbh. If it's private, it's private (not semi-private).

I remember quite a few PM's being published here without apparent consent of both parties.

Asiaprod

Hivemind187 wrote: »

I've sent them on to the relevant Cmod. Cheers.

If this is what I think its about, you have NOT sent them on to the relevant Cmod, who is well aware of the situation. If its a different issue, I would think that the PMs should not be aired in public without the Mod in question's consent

tbh

I dunno, I think when a mod sends a mod-style PM, they are really acting on behalf of boards and not themselves. A mod should be able to stand over any mod-type messages sent via PM. I agree that it's totally different when someone who happens to be a mod sends a private message, they should be kept private, but any pm's I send in relation to the forum I mod are not necessarily private and I'd have no problem with them being published. It gives rise to the scenario that a mod can act the dick over pm, knowing that they can't be published.

Terry

I've often seen admins telling us not to send anything via PM that we wouldn't want to see published.

I've never really had a problem with PM's I've sent in a mod capacity being published, because I've never put anything in them that would be classed as insulting or anything similar.

I don't see a problem with the standard 'you are banned for...' or 'please stop pissing people off' type PM being made public. Anything else should really remain private though.

Edit: OP, the following is a list of the Cmods and their categories:

• Arts - LoLth
• Films - Karl Hungus
• Television - basquille, Bond-007, Mr E,
• Biz - WhiteWashMan
• Edu - çrash_000
• Games - amp
• Consoles - amp
• Music - Lucutus, Karl Hungus
• Rec - WhiteWashMan ( AKA the big bollix) [Sub Forum - Travel - BuffyBot] [Sub Forum - Motors - kbannon, unkel,]
• Region - Dub13
• Sci - Simu
• Social - oscarBravo [Sub Forum - Religion & Spirituality - Asiaprod]
• Sports - RuggieBear
• Tech - MiCr0 [Sub forum Home entertainment - Spankeh, The Ritz] [Sub Forum - Cable / Digital TV - icdg, watty, byte,]

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I really think we need an infraction type PM for when we are banning tbh, or doing any other kind of modding.

The infraction system is brilliant, and I'd have no problem someone "publishing" the pm they received after getting one.

Terry

Just infract / warn someone when you ban them and put the ban message in the infraction PM.

_blank_

Terry, I'm hurt you left the Food&Drink Subforum out of the Rec Cat.

Truly I am.

Karl Hungus

stevenmu wrote: »

Should a moderators PMs really be private ? I know moderators are users too and send normal PMs just like anyone else and these should be private, but should users not be free to post up PMs received in a moderating capacity ?

I'd actually agree with that. That is, if messages are sent in a moderating capacity.

Hivemind187

Asiaprod wrote: »

If this is what I think its about, you have NOT sent them on to the relevant Cmod, who is well aware of the situation. If its a different issue, I would think that the PMs should not be aired in public without the Mod in question's consent

Considering the tone of that, if I were to send anything to you Asia how could I expect fair analysis?

Faith

Terry wrote: »

Edit: OP, the following is a list of the Cmods and their categories:

• Arts - LoLth
• Films - Karl Hungus
• Television - basquille, Bond-007, Mr E,
• Biz - WhiteWashMan
• Edu - çrash_000
• Games - amp
• Consoles - amp
• Music - Lucutus, Karl Hungus
• Rec - WhiteWashMan ( AKA the big bollix) B]Sub Forum - Food & Drink - Faith, DesF, Mr Magnolia[/B [Sub Forum - Travel - BuffyBot] [Sub Forum - Motors - kbannon, unkel,]
• Region - Dub13
• Sci - Simu
• Social - oscarBravo [Sub Forum - Religion & Spirituality - Asiaprod]
• Sports - RuggieBear
• Tech - MiCr0 [Sub forum Home entertainment - Spankeh, The Ritz] [Sub Forum - Cable / Digital TV - icdg, watty, byte,]

fyp

I have no problems with any PMs I send in a mod capacity being published either.

RoundyMooney

Faith wrote: »

Edit: OP, the following is a list of the Cmods and their categories:

• Arts - LoLth
• Films - Karl Hungus
• Television - basquille, Bond-007, Mr E,
• Biz - WhiteWashMan
• Edu - çrash_000
• Games - amp
• Consoles - amp
• Music - Karl Hungus
• Rec - WhiteWashMan ( AKA the latter day Antipodean)
• Region - Dub13
• Sci - Simu
• Social - oscarBravo [Sub Forum - Religion & Spirituality - Asiaprod]
• Sports - RuggieBear
• Tech - MiCr0 [Sub forum Home entertainment - Spankeh, ]

fyp

fyfyp.

Some of the quoted users above may mod multiple forums, but are not CMods.

Following that rationale, you might as well call me a CMod of South, and Adverts Support, since both have sub fora.

Faith wrote: »

I have no problems with any PMs I send in a mod capacity being published either.

Neither have I. However, it's easier to have a blanket rule on the republishing of PMs rather than have a grey area, where you have to moderate the actions of a friend, for example.

Two things come to mind.

1. Don't republish PMs
2. Whether you're a mod or not, don't write anything you can't stand over, in deference to the fact that (1) is not always followed, and also because it just makes sense, whether you're moderating or not.

Asiaprod

Hivemind187 wrote: »

Considering the tone of that, if I were to send anything to you Asia how could I expect fair analysis?

There is no tone just fact, and I would have (and did with yourself) give a fair analysis. You were dealt with in exactly the same manner that I have dealt with others. At one point I even asked to have your ban lifted for Christmas, the Mod of that forum explained very clearly your series of dialogues via PM and why he did not feel he should lift the ban at that time. You also raised this issue on another of this happy little group of Forums and were told that I mod fairly, even that I had over turned a ban by the same mod in the same forum and that Mod had even taken time out to come into the Forum to apologize for loosing his cool. And your reply, Meh? You appear to be trying to make this banning and subsequent PMs appear to be a personal issue. It is not. When you enter any Forum here you are expected to observe the Charter. You were out of order and got banned for it until you could convince the said mod that you understood the reason for the ban and that it would not happen again.
And that is all you need to do to have it lifted.

Hivemind187

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Posted in anger.

Asiaprod

Hivemind187 wrote: »

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Posted in anger.

Understood, leave it with me.

Boston

Have to say Hivemind you wont get a fairer shake on boards then you will from Asiaprod there.