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    #182
    robtri
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    freewheeler wrote: »
    Looks like something at least started today...saw a JCB (just one mind you!) beginning to demolish some of the old sheds..heres hoping!!!

    One??? lol...... thats just funny


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    #183
    danjo-xx
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    freewheeler wrote: »
    Looks like something at least started today...saw a JCB (just one mind you!) beginning to demolish some of the old sheds..heres hoping!!!

    The JCB will be gone once the GE is over:(


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    #184
    thomasm
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    Huge cherry picker there today with lads inspecting the roof


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    #185
    Max Powers
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    great to see some progress here


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    #186
    longshanks
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    Max Powers wrote: »
    great to see some progress here

    On this thread or on the quays?


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    #187
    Sully
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    Surprised this hasn't been updated but demolition work has begun with buildings already being demolished.


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    #188
    Jambo
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    Sully wrote: »
    Surprised this hasn't been updated but demolition work has begun with buildings already being demolished.

    Its been ongoing the past two weeks, crews are busy clearing the larger buildings internally and an old substation house was demolished the week before last, the asbestos panels were removed from the bestocks building last week and earlier this week, and now that building has be raised to the ground.


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    #189
    Harry Palmr
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    Any pix of this floating about?


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    #190
    Gadgie
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    What's staying, and what's going? From the council's press release last year, sounds like only one building is being retained. I've marked which one I think it is in red - see attached image. Is that correct?


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    #191
    BBM77
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    Sully wrote: »
    Surprised this hasn't been updated but demolition work has begun with buildings already being demolished.
    Nothing to complain about now :)


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    #192
    BBM77
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    Gadgie wrote: »
    What's staying, and what's going? From the council's press release last year, sounds like only one building is being retained. I've marked which one I think it is in red - see attached image. Is that correct?

    That is correct.


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    #193
    thomasm
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    Some difference in view already from Ferrybank side


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    #194
    Max Powers
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    thomasm wrote: »
    Some difference in view already from Ferrybank side

    That's great,I can see from the Southside a roof being dismantled, hopefully this is the first step on much more.


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    #195
    cgcsb
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    The new bridge across to the north quays is the most important aspect of the project and I hope that once it's built the council get rid of the god awful car park on the quays. Whoever in the history of bureaucratic nonsense thought that a tarmaced car park was a good use for the city's waterfront needs to be taken out and shot.


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    #196
    bullpost
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    Where is the new bridge to be located?
    cgcsb wrote: »
    The new bridge across to the north quays is the most important aspect of the project and I hope that once it's built the council get rid of the god awful car park on the quays. Whoever in the history of bureaucratic nonsense thought that a tarmaced car park was a good use for the city's waterfront needs to be taken out and shot.


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    #197
    cgcsb
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    it appears to be directly continuous with barronstrand st.

    http://www.ferrybank.ie/images/WaterfordNorthQuays-UrbanDesignFrameworkPlan.pdf


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    #198
    Max Powers
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    bullpost wrote: »
    Where is the new bridge to be located?

    Ye are prob getting ahead of yourselves there with bridge, there has been computer generated images before but probably a bit away yet.when they are knocked and if some development starts then the bridge will fall into place hopefully.we would need govt support for it...guess about twenty million.


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    #199
    Dunmoreroader
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    Max Powers wrote: »
    Ye are prob getting ahead of yourselves there with bridge, there has been computer generated images before but probably a bit away yet.when they are knocked and if some development starts then the bridge will fall into place hopefully.we would need govt support for it...guess about twenty million.

    Max, is that the estimated cost or the year you expect any government to fund a 3rd bridge for Waterford?:)


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    #200
    O Riain
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    I think this 'connection' of the city and ferrybank has massive potential. Can anyone from ferrybank tell me how often they'd wander into town walking? It's not far but having to walk all the way to the Bridge and then all the way bank into the centre of town makes it a lot longer than it should be.


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    #201
    looksee
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    I actively avoid walking across the bridge as it is so cold and windy, it would have to be a really fine summers day to tempt me to walk across a footbridge.


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    #202
    cgcsb
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    looksee wrote: »
    I actively avoid walking across the bridge as it is so cold and windy, it would have to be a really fine summers day to tempt me to walk across a footbridge.

    Seriously? It's not the arctic it's the sunny south east try living in Galway or crossing the peace bridge in Derry in a howling gale. Do you go outside at all on non-fine summers days?


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    #203
    looksee
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    Seriously? It's not the arctic it's the sunny south east try living in Galway or crossing the peace bridge in Derry in a howling gale. Do you go outside at all on non-fine summers days?

    I hear what you are saying, and yes, I go out for walks in all most weathers. However I have a notion that the idea of the footbridge would be as much recreational as practical, and if I were going for a walk anywhere I would not consider it a pleasure unless the weather was good. It is not summer all year round!


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    #204
    The_Shotz
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    Closing date for submissions is the end of the month...


    http://www.waterfordcouncil.ie/en/Resident/Planning/North,Quays,Strategic,Development,Zone,SDZ/?platform=hootsuite&utm_content=buffer4e95f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

    "Notice is hereby given that Waterford City and County Council proposes to prepare a Planning Scheme for the North Quays Strategic Development Zone (SDZ)."


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    #205
    robtri
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    I wonder will they vote for a lot of retail space........ now that will be interesting


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    #206
    Jamie2k9
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    Can anybody submitting say they want buildings to go high, it's a big opportunity which Dublin has half arsed so we should do it right.


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    #207
    Deise Vu
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Can anybody submitting say they want buildings to go high, it's a big opportunity which Dublin has half arsed so we should do it right.

    Generally you can go as high as existing buildings in an area. I presume that will mean the beautiful (!!) building being retained will set the benchmark.

    Then watch as people who haven't had a view of the river for 100 years object to their new view being obstructed! This is Ireland after all.


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    #208
    O Riain
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    Deise Vu wrote: »
    Generally you can go as high as existing buildings in an area. I presume that will mean the beautiful (!!) building being retained will set the benchmark.

    Then watch as people who haven't had a view of the river for 100 years object to their new view being obstructed! This is Ireland after all.

    The thing it usually depends on is the price of the land. If it's not cost effective to build up rather than out then you won't go up!


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    #209
    Jamie2k9
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    As its designatd a special zone it easy to ensure high buildings are allowed


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    #210
    Deise Vu
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    Deise Vu wrote: »
    Generally you can go as high as existing buildings in an area. I presume that will mean the beautiful (!!) building being retained will set the benchmark.

    Then watch as people who haven't had a view of the river for 100 years object to their new view being obstructed! This is Ireland after all.

    I was only answering the question that was asked.

    I very much doubt we will see any development on this site for many years to come. We would all love to see some iconic buildings going up over there but what exactly would work economically?

    A hotel / conference centre to replace the late lamented Árd Rí would be great and a possible runner but after that we have a massive surplus of office space in town (take a peek around Railway Square if you doubt me) so a large scale office complex is unlikely. Irish people seem to have an innate fear of apartment living with it's service charges, noisy neighbours and lack of garden so I don't see any apartment complexes going there either. Finally there is shopping but considering the City Centre is dead who is going to risk the 9 figure sum necessary?

    The pedestrian bridge, which is central to this project to integrate the City Centre, will cost millions just on its own. That is a huge expanse of river to cross and people are going to have to feel safe using it while at the same time not restricting shipping. Would you want to be the developer taking that on or would you wait for others / the Council to build it first?

    I am just glad the ugly monstrosities are going. Hopefully there is an economic miracle around the corner that will actually make construction viable. The absolute last thing we need is to accept any old development just for the sake of it. There is plenty of land around for low rise housing, it would be ludicrous to allow it on the Quays.


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    #211
    Jamie2k9
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    Deise Vu wrote: »
    I was only answering the question that was asked.

    I very much doubt we will see any development on this site for many years to come. We would all love to see some iconic buildings going up over there but what exactly would work economically?

    A hotel / conference centre to replace the late lamented Árd Rí would be great and a possible runner but after that we have a massive surplus of office space in town (take a peek around Railway Square if you doubt me) so a large scale office complex is unlikely. Irish people seem to have an innate fear of apartment living with it's service charges, noisy neighbours and lack of garden so I don't see any apartment complexes going there either. Finally there is shopping but considering the City Centre is dead who is going to risk the 9 figure sum necessary?

    The pedestrian bridge, which is central to this project to integrate the City Centre, will cost millions just on its own. That is a huge expanse of river to cross and people are going to have to feel safe using it while at the same time not restricting shipping. Would you want to be the developer taking that on or would you wait for others / the Council to build it first?

    I am just glad the ugly monstrosities are going. Hopefully there is an economic miracle around the corner that will actually make construction viable. The absolute last thing we need is to accept any old development just for the sake of it. There is plenty of land around for low rise housing, it would be ludicrous to allow it on the Quays.

    I'm sure you have some good points but was railway sq not more retail?

    As for apartment living, I agree to an extend but if they are big enough they work. Nobody will likely live in one forever but if your young they are perfectly fine.

    Office Space size is a big issue and there is no real big space in Waterford to attract companies who may create like 200 jobs etc which you see announced in Dublin every few weeks.

    The real problem is lack of work from the IDA outside Cork/Galway/Dublin or the stroke politics which suddenly say hundreds of jobs going to Nenagh because Kelly was going to lose his seat. I don't for a second believe such a company would of set up there.


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