Who do you want to win the American election?

SteveS

moe_sizlak wrote: »

now that ive just heard that joe lieberman is supporting john mc cain
my whole view of him has come into serious question
liberman is a bigger war hawk than anyone in the white house right now apart from john bolton who is no longer in the cabinet

John Bolton was ambassador to the UN, which is not a Cabinet level position.

Beer is Life

moe_sizlak wrote: »

now that ive just heard that joe lieberman is supporting john mc cain
my whole view of him has come into serious question
liberman is a bigger war hawk than anyone in the white house right now apart from john bolton who is no longer in the cabinet

Maybe thats because he wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk

BurnsCarpenter

Akrasia wrote: »

Why are there only 3 democrats on the poll, 5 republicans, and a green who hasn't even announced candidacy yet?

The only person I would like to see in the white house is the democrat candidate, Dennis Kucinich. He out Ron Pauls ron paul in the foreign policy stakes (he was totally against the Iraq war, and voted consistently against funding the war) and he believes America should totally revise its foreign policy, but he is in favour of supporting the U.N. rather than pulling out of it (as ron paul would like to do) You know the U.N. right? That international institution formed after the end of WW2 to provide a diplomatic alternative to global war.


Kucinich is also the only candidate on either side that is in favour of universal free healthcare. Something that Clinton, Obama or Edwards wouldn't dream of implementing.

Out of all the candidates, he is the only one who comes across as being sincere.

Anyone with even a smidgeon of sympathy for socialist ideals should prefer him above any of the leading candidates, and certainly ahead of that free market libertarian wingnut, Ron Paul.

+1 for Kucinich.
It's a pity he's not taken seriously. Here are his policies as listed on Wikipedia:

Creating a single-payer system of universal health care that provides full coverage for all Americans by passage of the United States National Health Insurance Act.
The immediate, phased withdrawal of all U.S. forces from Iraq; replacing them with an international security force.
Guaranteed quality education for all; including free pre-kindergarten and college for all who want it.
Immediate withdrawal from the World Trade Organization (WTO) and North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).
Repealing the USA PATRIOT Act.
Fostering a world of international cooperation.
Abolishing the death penalty.
Environmental renewal and clean energy.
Preventing the privatization of social security.
Providing full social security benefits at age 65.
Creating a cabinet-level "Department of Peace"
Ratifying the ABM Treaty and the Kyoto Protocol.
Introducing reforms to bring about instant-runoff voting.
Protecting a woman's right to choose while decreasing the number of abortions performed in the U.S.
Ending the War on Drugs.
Legalizing same-sex marriage.
Creating a balance between workers and corporations.
Ending the H-1B and L-1 visa Programs
Restoring rural communities and family farms.
Strengthening gun control.
Legalizing Medicinal Marijuana and decriminalizing non-medical possession.

I'd have to agree with most of those.
As far as I'm concerned there's nothing even vaguely left wing about Clinton or Obama. I'd support Edwards at a stretch.

moe_sizlak

SteveS wrote: »

John Bolton was ambassador to the UN, which is not a Cabinet level position.

you know what i mean

okshea

Id be thinking this election is their for the democrats taking,though if hildog and osama...sorry obama!!!!(doh) continue their fairly virulent bickering it can only be to the republicans advantage.I think the dream ticket for the dems is a hilary/obama ticket and if they can tone down the rhetoric it might just happen,with obama as vp being groomed for a run nxt time. As who do i want to win id reckon mayor quimby would do a sterling job!!!Behind him prob obama:D

AngelofFire

Ideally Kucinich, but since thats not going to happen i'd settle for Obama.

Chakar

Mr Barack Obama.

spank_inferno

+1 for Obama

Before I would have sided with Clinton, but lately she has left a sour taste. I think bringing race into the election (though very subtly) will backfire on the clintons, and I hope it does.
Ms Clinton plays on experience however despite being older she hasnt got that much more senate experience than Obama.
(being 1st lady doesnt count for much experience in running the country)

Obama is trying to build a coalition on the democrats side
The clintons want him to be seen as just another black guy.

is_that_so

Thought this would be appropriate here. John Edwards looks to be out. Although this is not surprising considering how far behind the two front runners he was.

gurramok

Thank god for TV program 24, the Americans have been conditioned now for a black president due to their addiction of that program.:D
Obama has a few heavyweights behind him plus he's new blood with experience of the Senate.

banquo

Obama is closing on Hillary, no 2 ways about it. Still, I'd be suprised if he got the nomination. He needs to pull off not only california, tennessee and arizona where he's polling closely behind hillary, but also places where he's doomed like NY, NJ and georgia.

if he pulls off NY I'll eat my hat. But he won't.

moe_sizlak

if it were not for the endorsement of the awful joe lieberman , i would like to see john mc cain president , i really think hes a decent man
not all republicans are neo cons or evil , mc cain has never been popular with the bush admin as shown by fox news hatred of mc cain
ann coulter and the even more right wing michelle malkin have astoundedly said they would vote for hillary ahead of mc cain
if ann coulter and michelle ( born in the philipines ) malkin are against you , you know your ok

Boggles

The Democrats are up against, not only are they trying to get the Whitehouse back, they are trying to make history. The Question is, will America vote a woman or even an African American into the whitehouse.

Plus the next term will not be easy, the destruction left by Bush will have to be addressed. Saw him on a 1-1 with fox news the other day, he was comparing himself to Lincoln. The man is hilarious, not as funny as Fox news thou.

banquo

I think we make too much of the 'is america ready' question. Amongst people under 40 there seems to be no issue with it at all, and to people under 25 it seems like a bizzare question, like "Should somebody with brown hair be allowed to be president?" But it's an easy story for the media so it gets thrown around a lot.

moe_sizlak

as long as mc cain is the gop nomination , the next president will be a marked improovement regardless of which party wins

hillary is just as right wing as mc cain

moe_sizlak

as long as mc cain is the gop nomination , the next president will be a marked improovement regardless of which party wins

hillary is just as right wing as mc cain and obviously both are much more moderate than the present admin

GA361

McCain

banquo

Latest polling [source: Rasmussenroports.com, polled 02/02]

Alabama — Tie Between McCain and Huck: The most recent poll, conducted before Florida, made it an even 27%-27% race, with Romney at 15%. Huckabee's strength among evangelicals could help him win in the Deep South, or McCain's overall momentum will clinch this one. It could go either way. Total Delegates: 45, By district.

Alaska — Unknown: There has been no recent poll in this state, so it's hard to know exactly what the situation is. Huckabee has the support of longtime Congressman Don Young — but given Young's ethical problems as of late, that might not be such a great help. We'll see what happens on Tuesday. Total Delegates: 26, Proportional.

Arizona — McCain Way Ahead: McCain will easily win his home state's winner-take-all primary. Total Delegates: 50, WTA.

Arkansas — Huckabee Favored: There has been no recent polling here, but you have to figure Mike Huckabee will run well in the state where he was governor for over ten years. Total Delegates: 31, by district.

California — McCain Ahead: Recent poll has given McCain leads of around ten points, though the most recent one shows the race against MItt Romney to be a bit tighter. However, McCain should get a huge boost from the support of Arnold Schwarzenegger as well as Rudy Giuliani, who himself had been previously running strong here. Total Delegates: 170, by district.

Colorado — Romney Way Ahead: The most recent poll shows Romney ahead of McCain by 19 points. This makes sense in the context of right-wing opposition to McCain on immigration — after all, this state is the land of Tancredo. Total Delegates: 43, proportional.

Connecticut — McCain Way Ahead: Mitt Romney might have Massachusetts in his corner, but it looks like the rest of New England is McCain country. McCain most notable Connecticut endorsement is none other than Joe Lieberman, and he's also supported by Gov. Jodi Rell. Total Delegates: 27, WTA.

Delaware — Unknown: There has been no recent polling Delaware so we honestly don't know what's happening. Mitt Romney's pitch might work with state businesses, but you have to think McCain has the overall momentum. Total Delegates: 15, WTA.

Georgia — Close Race: Polling from as recently as a week ago gave Mike Huckabee a double-digit lead, but the latest polls have McCain or Romney narrowly ahead. McCain has picked up the support of both the state's Senators, while Romney has a few members of Congress and Huckabee is relying on the evangelic vote. Total Delegates: 69, by district.

Illinois — McCain Narrowly Ahead: John McCain has taken a single-digit lead in recent polls here, aided by a combination of his momentum and the support of such prominent Illinois politicians as former Gov. Jim Edgar. Former Speaker Dennis Hastert, a longtime McCain antagonist, is aggressively backing Romney. One variable: The special election primary in Hastert's district may cause higher turnout relative to the rest of the state. Total Delegates: 67, by district.

Massachusetts — Romney Way Ahead: — Mitt Romney should have no trouble winning a strong majority in his home state. But there's one problem for Mitt: The primary here is proportional, not winner-take-all. Thus John McCain will get some delegates in Massachusetts, while Romney won't get any from Arizona to balance it out. Total Delegates: 40, proportional.

Minnesota — McCain Ahead: A recent poll put McCain ahead by 2-1 against his closest competitor, Mike Huckabee. McCain has long had the backing of Gov. Tim Pawlenty, who may well end up on McCain's short list for vice president. Previous polling had put Rudy Giuliani ahead, but McCain rose as Rudy fell. Total Delegates: 38, by district.

Missouri — McCain Ahead: Recent polling has given John McCain the lead by four points over Romney and six points against Mike Huckabee. Romney made a good effort to court social conservatives, winning the endorsements of Gov. Matt Blunt and former Sen. Jim Talent, while Mike Huckabee is courting his usual base of working-class evangelicals. McCain's shot to the top is a very recent delopment.Total Delegates: 55, WTA.

Montana — Unknown: There has been no recent polling for the Montana caucus, but one can plausibly see any of the three candidates having some appeal here. If it comes down to just general awareness of the national race, McCain should win. If there's considerable doubt about him on illegal immigration, Romney or Huckabee could draw some votes. Total Delegates: 22, WTA.

New Jersey — McCain Way Ahead: Much of the state party establishment had been backing Giuliani, but with him gone they're all lining up for McCain. The latest poll puts him ahead 48%-25% here, where the state GOP is based around moderate suburban voters and not social conservatives. Total Delegates: 49, WTA.

New York — McCain Way Ahead: McCain was ahead of Romney 2-1 even before Rudy Giuliani dropped out, and Rudy's support has boosted him to a lead of nearly 35 points. The state Republican committee has also come in line, switching its endorsement from Rudy to McCain. Total Delegates: 98, WTA.

North Dakota — Unknown: There has been no recent polling —nor much attention by the candidates — in this small state. It might just come down to the national trend, favoring McCain. Total Delegates: 23, WTA.

Oklahoma — McCain Ahead: Mike Huckabee originally led in this Bible-Belt state, but the latest poll put John McCain ahead by nearly ten points. This was perhaps due in part to the endorsement of McCain by Sen. Tom Coburn, a champion of the religious right and a fellow anti-pork crusader. Total Delegates: 38, by district.

Tennessee — Close Race Between McCain And Huck: Native son Fred Thompson was originally running ahead here, but a recent poll put Mike Huckabee ahead, and another gave John McCain the lead. Another poll calls it as a statistical dead heat. This race may just come down to McCain as the national Republican candidate, versus Huckabee as the Southern Republican candidate. Total Delegates: 52, proportional and by district — WTA if one candidate gets over 50%.

Utah — Monolithically Mitt: Mitt Romney will win Utah, with its Mormon population, by an extraordinary margin. WTA Total Delegates: 33, WTA.

West Virginia — Unknown: There has been no polling here, with the delegates selected at a state convention rather than a primary or caucuses. But one might think Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee would have a big opening her, as McCain's positions on global warming wouldn't go over too well in a coal state. Total Delegates: 27, WTA

banquo

And same for Democrats [polled jan 31]

Alabama — Hillary Ahead, But Unclear: Recent polls have shown Hillary ahead by over ten points in a state that hasn't gotten much attention, but we'll find out soon enough whether Obama's big win in South Carolina gives him any boost with the state's African-American voters. There hasn't been very much data to go on, and previous polls put Obama ahead. Total Delegates: 52

Alaska — Unknown: There hasn't been any polling here, but on paper it looks like a decent state for Obama. It's a largely Republican state where Bill Clinton was rarely all that popular even with Democrats — the state's last Democratic governor, Tony Knowles would boast in ads for his 2004 Senate campaign that he sued the Clinton Administration over land-use issues. For his part, Knowles supports Obama. Total Delegates: 13

Arizona — Hillary Has Medium Lead: Recent polling has shown Hillary Clinton ahead here by about ten points, but she's under the 40% mark and with fairly high undecideds. Obama is supported by the state's popular governor Janet Napolitano, and Congressman Raul Grijalva just recently switched his support from Edwards to Obama. Total Delegates: 56

Arkansas — Hillary Has Wide Lead: There is no recent polling here, but it would seem to be a given that Hillary Clinton will handily win her former home state. Obama might be able to get a decent share in Little Rock, though, through African-American support. Total Delegates: 35

California — Hillary Ahead, But Tightening: Expect the country's largest state to also be the most heated contest on Super Tuesday. Hillary Clinton has the support of Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, while Obama's newfound support from the Kennedy family could give him a leg up with Latinos and older voters. After having been ahead before by around 25 points, Hillary Clinton currently leads by only about ten points in most polls, and by only three in the most recent one. Hillary will probably take a good majority among Hispanic voters, while Obama is hoping to forge a coalition of black and white voters to take the day. Make no mistake: This will be the race to watch on Tuesday night. Total Delegates: 370

Colorado — Obama Has Small Lead: A recent poll put Barack Obama ahead by only two points in this caucus. Obama also just benefitted from the endorsement of former Denver Mayor Federico Peña, a supporter who might be able to help him break through among Hispanic voters. Total Delegates: 55

Connecticut — Race Has Narrowed To A Tie In One Poll: The big test here is whether the clout of the Kennedy family extends beyond Massachusetts and into other New England states. The campaigns stayed out of her throughout 2007, out of respect to native son Chris Dodd, meaning there was not any sort of intense campaign either for or against Hillary Clinton. Thus Hillary previously had a large lead here, but the new Rasmussen poll shows it to be a tied race. Total Delegates: 48

Delaware — Unknown: Term-limited Gov. Ruth Ann Minner supports Hillary, while both of the Democratic candidates in the primary to succeed her are for Obama. There hasn't been any recent polling, given the lack of interest in the state's very few delegates, so your guess is as good as ours. Total Delegates: 15

Georgia — Obama Has Small Lead: Recent polls have put Barack Obama ahead by about five points, up from deficits of around ten ponts over the Fall, due to heavy African-American support. He will likely dominate in Atlanta and college towns like Athens, while Hillary should run stronger in rural and suburban areas. Total Delegates: 87

Idaho — Unknown: There has been no major polling here, but Obama should probably run well in Boise, the closest thing this deep-red state has to a Democratic stronghold. Total Delegates: 18

Illinois — Obama Has Wide lead: Obama will probably rack up a huge majority in his home state — polls have shown him winning by more than two to one, carrying all three major racial demogrpahics — Whites, blacks and Hispanics — by strong margins. The Illinois legislature moved this primary up to Super Tuesday specifically to help the favorite son candidate, and it looks as if that will pay off. Total Delegates: 153

Kansas — Obama Is The Favorite: Although there has been no polling, Obama is considered the frontrunner here, as he has the backing of Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, the undisputed leader of this state's relatively small Democratic Party. Obama also recently made a high-profile stop here, to the former hometown of his maternal grandparents. Total Delegates: 32

Massachusetts — Hillary's Lead Is Slipping: Hillary Clinton had enormous leads in this state for quite a while, but the Kennedy family's political adoption of Barack Obama may well have changed things. The newest poll only put Hillary ahead by by six points, with clear momentum for Obama as Ted Kennedy campaigns more and more for him, and Edwards supporters go looking for a new candidate. Before the endorsement, other polls had shown Hillary ahead by as much as 37 points. If Obama wins this or even cuts it close, it will be a testament to the power of Ted Kennedy. Total Delegates: 93

Minnesota — Hillary Has Medium Lead: Obama is expected to run well in the Twin Cities, while Hillary should play nicely in the suburbs. The question then becomes where liberal voters from the Iron Range and the rural areas, who might have supported Edwards, end up going. Total Delegates: 72

Missouri — Hillary Has Medium Lead: Recent polling has put Hillary ahead but under 50%. Hillary is supported by Congressman Emanuel Cleaver, a former mayor of Kansas City, while Obama has the backing of Sen. Claire McCaskill — giving us the interesting situation of Obama being supported by the state's most prominent female politician, and Hillary being endorsed by one of the state's major black officials. Total Delegates: 72

New Jersey — Hillary Has Wide Lead: Hillary Clinton led by over 15 points in the most recent poll — but that was down from earlier leads of 30 points or more. The Democratic establishment in this state has lined up almost entirely behind Hillary Clinton, led by Gov. Jon Corzine and Sen. Bob Menendez. Barack Obama has the support of Newark Mayor Cory Booker, plus popular former Governor (and former Edwards supporter) Dick Codey. New Jersey is split between the New York and Philadelphia media markets, so advertising here is very expensive and fraught with risks for a Midwest candidate taking a crack at Hillary Clinton — thus she has consistently led in the polls by healthy margins. The cities should probably go to Obama and the suburbs to Hillary, giving her an overall win. Total Delegates: 107

New Mexico — Unknown: There has been no recent polling here. Both sides are heavily courting Bill Richardson for his endorsement. If Richardson does choose to endorse, the lucky recipient will have a strong leg up here. Total Delegates: 26

New York — Hillary Has Wide Lead: Hillary Clinton is hoping to mine her home state for a large majority of delegates, and polling has shown her well ahead. However, polling has turned out to be very erratic — Hillary is either ahead by as much as 30 points or as little as 12. Furthermore, the internals of some polls (notably Marist and Zogby) have shown Hillary with only a narrow lead in New York City. If Obama were to carry the city, he would get a lot of delegates for an out-of-state candidate. Hillary win overall, with landslide majorities in the suburbs and Upstate — the question is how many delegates her challenger will be able to poach. Total Delegates: 232

North Dakota — Obama Is The Frontrunner: There has been no recent polling here. However, North Dakota is a heavily Republican state with a handful of high-ranking Democratic officeholders, led by Sen. Kent Conrad — and he backs Obama. The Clintons were never especially popular here, either, so Obama is probably the favorite. Total Delegates: 13

Oklahoma — Hillary Has Wide Lead: Before John Edwards dropped out, he was running second here behind Hillary and ahead of Obama, who was at a distant third. The state will probably go to Hillary in a two-way race, given the state's overall demographics and tendency towards more conservative Democrats. Total Delegates: 38

Tennessee — Hillary Has Moderate Lead: A recent poll have put Hillary ahead here by 11 points, consistent with past polls. There's not much data to go on, but if this race becomes like other Southern primaries, with Obama doing poorly among whites and Hillary doing badly with blacks, then Hillary should probably win it in the end, given this particular state's overall demographics. Total Delegates: 68

Utah — Hillary Holds Large Lead: A poll from early January put Hillary Clinton well ahead of Obama. Unfortunately, there just isn't much information to work off of in this very heavily Republican state, but it will all come down to the vote in Salt Lake City, the state's Democratic stronghold. Obama has a trip scheduled there for this weekend. Total Delegates: 23

BurnsCarpenter

Boggles wrote: »

The Democrats are up against, not only are they trying to get the Whitehouse back, they are trying to make history. The Question is, will America vote a woman or even an African American into the whitehouse.

I think with regard to Obama, the amount of undecideds who would not vote for him on the basis of his race would be outnumbered by the undecideds who would be won over by his good looks, charisma, comparative youth, etc.

banquo

Apparantly there's a movement amongst white, republican alabamians who are caucusing for Obama because they hate hillary so much.

[source: CNN]

ghostdancer

Obama campaign memo from campaign manager David Plouffe:

Two weeks ago, a Clinton campaign adviser told CBS News that they believed they could “wrap up” the nomination on February 5th. As the “inevitable” national frontrunner, tomorrow should be the day when she sews up the nomination or builds a formidable delegate lead. But because of Obama’s growing momentum across the country, the Clinton campaign is now unlikely to reach their stated goals of wrapping up the nomination tomorrow.

Senator Clinton is certainly the favorite on February 5, given the huge leads she has held in many of these contests throughout the course of the campaign and the political, historical and geographic advantages she enjoys in many of these states.

For example, California, which Clinton led by 25 points in October and 12 points two weeks ago, was once seen as the Clinton campaign’s firewall and where they planned to run up an insurmountable lead in delegates. Former Governor Gray Davis, a Clinton supporter, said on MSNBC last week, “I am pleased to be for Hillary Clinton and I expect her to do very well in Super Tuesday. I expect her to win California by a sizable amount, at least double digits, do well in New York and New Jersey and Connecticut.”

Based on her huge head start, Hillary Clinton should still win California, but is unlikely to achieve her goal of getting a sizeable share of the delegates.

Our path to the nomination never factored in a big day for us on February 5. Rather, we always planned to stay close enough in the delegate count so that we could proceed to individually focus on the states in the next set of contests.

We fully expect Senator Clinton to earn more delegates on February 5th and also to win more states. If we were to be within 100 delegates on that day and win a number of states, we will have met our threshold for success and will be best positioned to win the nomination in the coming months.

A performance that exceeds those benchmarks, while unlikely, would put is in a surprisingly strong position heading into the rest of the February contests.

While the Clinton campaign is furiously trying to spin the expectations game, it is important to look at where they were in some of the key states just a few weeks ago.

ALABAMA

Less Than Two Weeks Before February 5th, Clinton Led Alabama By 15 Points. According to polling done by Rasmussen released on January 25, Clinton led Obama by 15 points, 43% to 28%. [Rasmussen, 1/25/08]

ARIZONA

Less Than Two Weeks Before February 5th, Clinton Led Arizona Obama By 21 Points. According to a poll done for the Arizona Republic that was released on January 23, Clinton led Obama 45% to 24%. [Arizona Republic, 1/23/08]

CONNECTICUT

Hartford Courant: Two Weeks Before February 5th, Clinton Led Connecticut By 14 Points. According to polling done for the Hartford Courant released on January 20, Clinton led Obama by 14 points, 41% to 27%. [Hartford Courant, 1/20/08]

DELAWARE

October 2007 Poll Found Clinton Leading Obama By 24 Points. According to polling done by Farleigh Dickinson that was released on October 10, Clinton led Obama by 24 points, 41% to 17%. [Fairleigh Dickinson, 10/10/07]

GEORGIA

In December 2007, Clinton Led Georgia By 7 Points. According to polling done by Strategic Vision released on December 12, Clinton led Obama by 7 points, 34% to 27%. [Strategic Vision, 1/22/07]

MASSACHUSETTS

Survey USA: Two Weeks Before February 5th, Clinton Led Massachusetts By 37 Points. According to polling done by Survey USA released on January 24, Clinton led Obama by 37 points, 59% to 22%. [Survey USA, 1/24/08]

MINNESOTA

October Poll Found Clinton Leading Obama By 25 Points In Minnesota. According to polling done by Mason Dixon released on October 2, Clinton led Obama 47%-33%. [Star Tribune, 10/2/07]

MISSOURI

Less Than Two Weeks Before February 5th, Clinton Led Missouri By 19 Points. According to polling done by Rasmussen released on January 25, Clinton led Obama by 19 points, 43% to 24%. [Rasmussen, 1/25/08]

NEW YORK

Before February 5th, Clinton Led New York By 28 Points. According to polling done by USA Today and Gallup released on January 28, Clinton led Obama by 28 points, 56% to 28%. [Gallup, 1/28/08]

NEW JERSEY

Less Than Two Weeks Before February 5th, Clinton Led New Jersey By 17 Points. According to polling done by Quinnipiac released on January 22, Clinton led Obama by 17 points, 49% to 32%. [Quinnipiac, 1/23/08]

OKLAHOMA

Three Weeks Before February 5th, Clinton Led Oklahoma By 20 Points. According to polling done by Survey USA released on January 14, Clinton led Obama by 20 points, 45% to 25%. [Survey USA, 1/14/08]

TENNESSEE

Less Than One Week Before February 5th, Clinton Led Tennessee By 33 Points. According to polling done by Insider Advantage in Tennessee on January 30th, Clinton led Obama by 33 points, 59% to 26%. [Insider Advantage, 1/30/08]

Black Swan

Clinton/Obama ticket

spank_inferno

I hope Obama does the business.
I would have liked to have seen John Edwards throw some support behind obama, as I would like to see an Obama/Edwards ticket in November

moe_sizlak

banquo wrote: »

Apparantly there's a movement amongst white, republican alabamians who are caucusing for Obama because they hate hillary so much.

[source: CNN]

the same people could very well campaign for obama in the national election should he get the nomination , such is there hate for mc cain

ps
i want mc cain to win in november
not all republicans are neo cons and mc cain has never been popular with the gop base or machine , he,s his own man , republicans dont like independant types

whatawaster

moe_sizlak wrote: »

the same people could very well campaign for obama in the national election should he get the nomination , such is there hate for mc cain

ps
i want mc cain to win in november
not all republicans are neo cons and mc cain has never been popular with the gop base or machine , he,s his own man , republicans dont like independant types

he's still evil.

Manic Moran

McCain? On what grounds?

NTM

User45701

http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/mheyqlojqlkf/

i said a while back he was going to win, ive been worried about him from for a while.

RonMexico

I like McCain except when he starts to talk about the War On Terror. Then he starts to sound like a senile old git.

is_that_so

At this stage the Dems must be wondering what to do. Ordinarily one would have expected a candidate to come out of the pack. Given that the GOP have pretty much determined their own man, the Dems will be faced with a big decision. While it is fun to trade punches over the suitability of either Obama or Clinton if it does go to August it will only leave them with 8 weeks to campaign properly.

Also with Obama's increased popularity one can't help but feel that he may have been let run to "make a contest " out of it and it would have been expected that he'd fight well but be comfortably beaten. They would then be able to line him up for 2016. Six months ago Clinton was the nominee.

So what can they do? Alienate all the black and other new voters that Obama seems to have brought in or risk upsetting any number of women, Floridians,ex Presidents and god knows how many of the party faithful?

Dean has suggested that they may have to look at some kind of a deal in April.

Perhaps there is scope for that dream ticket after all if only for the sake of the party. Without a clear cut candidate or even a plan, the election that is the Democrat's to win could end up being an embarrassing loss.