The Bog Hotel

blue shimmering

Has anyone heard or had experience of this, it is supposed to be located around Frosses and a lot of young people go to it after the Limelight in Glenties? :eek:

Just was wondering what others thought about it - it was the talk of the town (Donegal) when I was out on Saturday night!:p

Best wishes,

blue shimmering

muffler

Im not sure what this all about but Im going to keep an eye on it. Just be careful with posts here people. If this is something in contravention of licensing laws or whatever there will be no debate allowed.

regob

blue shimmering wrote: »

Has anyone heard or had experience of this, it is supposed to be located around Frosses and a lot of young people go to it after the Limelight in Glenties? :eek:

Just was wondering what others thought about it - it was the talk of the town (Donegal) when I was out on Saturday night!:p

Best wishes,

blue shimmering

never heard of it kinda regretted this comment

blue shimmering

regob wrote: »

never heard of this sounds cool though

Its in the local news bulletins at the moment on Ocean FM, don't think it's that cool really because it seems to be old men (about 80 or something) who open a garage to parties! A young man who passed away at the weekend was at it for a time last weekend, so I was told but the owners of the place are denying that it exists at all!

To be honest if it is true I think these men need their head examined and a good kick somewhere else as well! The Gardai, Planning Office, Council Officials don't seem to be able to stop them, maybe now when it is becoming more public they will have to pack it in - about time too! I was told at the week end that anything goes at it - that includes brothel......

It was more the view of others that I wanted to get because I do think it is terrible that this is going on and no one seems to be able to do anything about it!

blue shimmering

Senna

blue shimmering wrote: »

A young man who passed away at the weekend was at it for a time last weekend, so I was told but the owners of the place are denying that it exists at all!

How did the young man die?


I never heard anything about this place, sounds dodgie as hell.

Mint Sauce

heard about it today, well, i asked a younger relative if he had heard of it

ednwireland

Senna wrote: »

How did the young man die?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0107/donegal.html?rss
http://www.examiner.ie/breaking/ireland/mheymheyauid/

nobody seems to be able to work it out its all a bit odd

blue shimmering

Just found this on Ocean FM:

http://www.oceanfm.ie/onair/donegalnews.php?articleid=000002291

There is more today on the morning programme and also on new items during the day! I think it is an absolute disgrace this is allowed to happen with young vulnerable people being exploited this way! :(:(

The toxicology report will not be out for a few weeks so I suppose nothing can be done until then!

muffler

There was an article (and an interview with the owner) in the Donegal Peoples Press today. The owner claimed that the young lad who sadly died only arrived at his place on the Sunday morning, wasnt well when he did arrive and did not consume drink there. According to that article the Gardai are supposed to have said that there was no connection between the young mans death and this "venue"

I think we can all pretty well guess what the toxicology report will show but it would be a case of where and when.

Now then (with mods hat on) while this story is in the public domain I would prefer if people wouldnt jump to any conclusions or post anything inflammatory.

blue shimmering

ednwireland wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0107/donegal.html?rss
http://www.examiner.ie/breaking/ireland/mheymheyauid/

nobody seems to be able to work it out its all a bit odd

Maybe it is a bit odd but very sad when a family have to bury their young son who went out health and arrived home either seriously ill or already passed away! Whether he consumed anything while there isn't really the point because this man denied earlier in the week that this was going on at his property at all! He said there had been no parties at his place for the last 9 months - so people have to come to their own conclusions and realise that one lie could lead.......

It is very worrying in this day and age that this is happening and I suppose this is not the only place - by the way this is only a local name that was put on his premises (Shebeen or The Bog Hotel) it is not call either of these at all!

Glenman

It's great the Paddy Brogan is reserrecting the Sheeben. We need a bit of culture. People bring their own drink, its great crack. Up the Bog Inn!!!

muffler

Glenman wrote: »

It's great the Paddy Brogan is reserrecting the Sheeben. We need a bit of culture. People bring their own drink, its great crack. Up the Bog Inn!!!

Have you been there?

Glenman

muffler wrote: »

Have you been there?

No, I havn't been there. I hear its good crack. People go after the limelight. Technically he dosn't sell drink but people give money anyway. There was a write-up about it in the Sunday World last Sunday, it looks well. Beautiful Polish girl works there

muffler

Glenman wrote: »

No, I havn't been there. I hear its good crack. People go after the limelight. Technically he dosn't sell drink but people give money anyway. There was a write-up about it in the Sunday World last Sunday, it looks well. Beautiful Polish girl works there

So why would a "beautiful Polish girl" be working if there is not a business activity involved?

Doesn't sound like the type of place I would want my family to go to.

blue shimmering

muffler wrote: »

So why would a "beautiful Polish girl" be working if there is not a business activity involved?

Doesn't sound like the type of place I would want my family to go to.

Your absolutely right about that, it is terrible that a man in his 80's would be so stupid as to be involved in this! It may seem like crack to young people but <SNIP>

People - young naive people - have seemly gone here and <SNIP> . shall I go on? Don't think so but I do know this is a very serious situation and I do hope these young people realise <SNIP> nothing else, without having the responsibility if things go wrong!

<SNIP>

By the way the "beautiful Polish girl" is supposed to be his wife - right! <SNIP>


Mod edit: blue shimmering, I was tempted to delete the entire post and consider a card of some type but given the importance of the issue I will leave the main content of your post. Please refrain from making speculative comment.

Senna

I'd be careful with whats said here. The whole story will come out and this rather foolish gentleman (from his interviews anyway) will be held responsible if or when wrong doings are proved.
I'm sure its closed down by now and will remain that way.

Carrigart Exile

Senna wrote: »

I'd be careful with whats said here. The whole story will come out and this rather foolish gentleman (from his interviews anyway) will be held responsible if or when wrong doings are proved.
I'm sure its closed down by now and will remain that way.

at which point in your life do you think the nanny state is allowed to interfere. If a group of consenting adults all want to gather together to talk, laugh, dance, drink booze they brought themselves and even have sex so what?? Why should teh state tell people where they can and cannot enjoy themselves.

I am trully sorry for the death of the young man and i hope the post mortem can offer his family some solace.

blue shimmering

You are right to a certain extent but young people do need guidance! They are young, have not got the experience to know how much is too much etc.... Some adults don't even know this and get into all sorts of trouble - just look at the town and city streets at weekends with unprovoked attacks on innocent people by mostly others who have had too much to drink!

At the same time, being very drunk is no excuse when in front of a Judge for whatever you have done - maybe ruining these peoples lives forever! I will not even go into the consenting adults.....we all know about being responsible whether we are male/female, when the drink is in the wit goes out the window! Why do young people feel they have to drink to have a good time anyway? I enjoy a drink but not to get drunk - there has to be regulation but to be honest I think this limit of 18 is a challenge to young people and they do feel great when they are able to get a pint etc... that is nearly the size of themselves!

Not long ago I was asked to purchase a drink for a young person who was clearly underage and refused - he walked past 5 minutes later with his pint of .....! He felt about a foot taller but to me he just looked foolish! There are no places in Donegal for young people to go and I do think this is the root of a lot of the problems, they are turned away from public houses, hotels etc.. but are not given an alternative place to congregate - leaving them walking the streets of the towns with nothing to do only get into trouble! I am not saying that all get into trouble but really when you have a lot of frustrated young people what can you really expect?

The problem is NO WHERE ELSE FOR THESE YOUNGSTERS TO GO, the 'Nanny State' would need to do something about this!

muffler

Carrigart Exile wrote: »

Why should teh state tell people where they can and cannot enjoy themselves.

And where and when have they done this? Can you elaborate on this or provide a link please. There are licensing laws you know.

Carrigart Exile wrote: »

I am trully sorry for the death of the young man and i hope the post mortem can offer his family some solace.

Oh you hope it will provide solace to the family - that will be a first if that happens.

Senna

Carrigart Exile wrote: »

at which point in your life do you think the nanny state is allowed to interfere. If a group of consenting adults all want to gather together to talk, laugh, dance, drink booze they brought themselves and even have sex so what?? Why should teh state tell people where they can and cannot enjoy themselves.

I am trully sorry for the death of the young man and i hope the post mortem can offer his family some solace.

There is no shortage of pubs in this and every other county, and there's no shortage of house parties, so in my opinion, there is no need to open premises to circumvent licensing laws. These laws may not be perfect, but they are there to protect the young and old alike.
A premises like this will leave vulnerable people open to abuse, be it alcohol, drug or sex related.

Carrigart Exile

muffler wrote: »

And where and when have they done this? Can you elaborate on this or provide a link please. There are licensing laws you know.


Oh you hope it will provide solace to the family - that will be a first if that happens.

Yes there are licensing laws, but we are talking about an activity that is outside the licensing law yet contributors to this thread want the guarda to shut it down. My point was to them, why do you constantly see the need for a nanny state.

Yes I do hope it provides solace if they find out the reason for their sons death. You state that will be a first, that's a bit of a wild generalisation.

Carrigart Exile

Senna wrote: »

There is no shortage of pubs in this and every other county, and there's no shortage of house parties, so in my opinion, there is no need to open premises to circumvent licensing laws. These laws may not be perfect, but they are there to protect the young and old alike.
A premises like this will leave vulnerable people open to abuse, be it alcohol, drug or sex related.

I see you point, but th epopularity of this place clearly shows there is a need that people are voting with their feet for.

muffler

Carrigart Exile wrote: »

Yes there are licensing laws, but we are talking about an activity that is outside the licensing law yet contributors to this thread want the guarda to shut it down. My point was to them, why do you constantly see the need for a nanny state.

If the alleged activity is in breach of any part of the statutes of this country then it should be investigated and closed down and the owner /occupier prosecuted. The Gardai are the people charged with upholding law and order so people are damn well entitled to ask for this. Now if you want to start a thread about a "nanny state" then perhaps you would do so in another forum as we are not discussing that here. Please stay on topic.

Carrigart Exile wrote: »

Yes I do hope it provides solace if they find out the reason for their sons death. You state that will be a first, that's a bit of a wild generalisation.

A post mortem may well show the medical cause of death but it will be no consolation to the family until they discover the circumstances surrounding the tragic death. That can only be determined by an inquest and then and only then would any family find some form of closure in these circumstances.

Now just a reminder. We are all sailing a bit close to the wind on this subject so just be warned there will be no speculation allowed here.

Carrigart Exile

muffler wrote: »

If the alleged activity is in breach of any part of the statutes of this country then it should be investigated and closed down and the owner /occupier prosecuted. The Gardai are the people charged with upholding law and order so people are damn well entitled to ask for this. Now if you want to start a thread about a "nanny state" then perhaps you would do so in another forum as we are not discussing that here. Please stay on topic.



A post mortem may well show the medical cause of death but it will be no consolation to the family until they discover the circumstances surrounding the tragic death. That can only be determined by an inquest and then and only then would any family find some form of closure in these circumstances.

Now just a reminder. We are all sailing a bit close to the wind on this subject so just be warned there will be no speculation allowed here.

Just giving you an outsiders perspective.

muffler

Carrigart Exile wrote: »

Just giving you an outsiders perspective.

Yes and I and other regular users here appreciate others opinions which can then be debated if necessary. Of course we are all entitled to our opinions and I have an opinion as an individual but as a moderator I have to ensure that the posts here stay on topic etc. So by all means share your thoughts and try to keep them relevant to the topic. Its not easy to stay on topic all of the time so I have to state the obvious when that happens.


On a general note Im a little worried about this topic and I have already edited a substantial part of a previous post. The problem here is that this matter is sub judicy and accordingly we cant allow ourselves to speculate given the sensetive nature of the topic . It is very important that we remember this.

blue shimmering

muffler wrote: »

Yes and I and other regular users here appreciate others opinions which can then be debated if necessary. Of course we are all entitled to our opinions and I have an opinion as an individual but as a moderator I have to ensure that the posts here stay on topic etc. So by all means share your thoughts and try to keep them relevant to the topic. Its not easy to stay on topic all of the time so I have to state the obvious when that happens.


On a general note Im a little worried about this topic and I have already edited a substantial part of a previous post. The problem here is that this matter is sub judicy and accordingly we cant allow ourselves to speculate given the sensetive nature of the topic . It is very important that we remember this.

Absolutely correct, could not agree more! Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to get different points of view on how young people should socialise is very important, all parents, adults would like their children - young adult to have a good time but to be safe also! We cannot get away from the fact that it is illegal for young people to drink under the age of 18 and also to be sold this alcohol under age but I am not naive enough to think this doesn't happen because we just have to look at our streets at 3 - 4 on a Saturday, Sunday or Monday morning! Why can something not be done to change this and allow young people enjoy themselves in a safe environment that could be monitored instead of having them out on the streets with drink they have either purchased in an off license or got someone else to purchase for them in bars?

Goodluck2me

It seems to be another example of how the state has continually failed to provide the youth in ruralised communities with somewhere to go, albeit not in the twilight hours, but if people had somewhere to go, some direction in life, they might have reasons to be up early the following morning and avoid it.

blue shimmering

goodluck2me wrote: »

It seems to be another example of how the state has continually failed to provide the youth in ruralised communities with somewhere to go, albeit not in the twilight hours, but if people had somewhere to go, some direction in life, they might have reasons to be up early the following morning and avoid it.

Don't really agree with this because I know a lot of young people who have jobs, school....and still want to go out and get extremely drunk! I do think there is a challenge there that is hard to resist and that is 'it is against the law to drink/sell alcohol to under 18 year olds'! So they are constantly trying to do what is not allowed just because it is taboo!

Years ago we had hedge schools because we were not allowed attend school or to speak Irish - what happened? People, adults and children arranged places to teach and learn - now what is happening, these same adults and children are told to go to school and it is compulsory to take Irish up to Leaving Certificate! I know this is slightly off topic but my point is that it doesn't matter what we are not allowed to do - we want to do what is not allowed whether we are adults or young adults!

Private parties have become fairly common and also have attracted a fair share of tragedy - look at young people who have been shot because someone has been refused access! There is a niche there for someone to exploit to give young people a place they can enjoy but at the same time to be in a safe environment - young people themselves need to give feedback into exactly what they want compared to what they have at the moment which I think is not good enough and that is:

Roaming the streets unsupervised.
Boredum.
to name a few ....

I would love to hear what would interest them - especially between the age of 15 to 18, were they are not really catered for at all at the moment! This is in cities, towns, villages and also in the rural communities - where as well as everything else there is no public transport, no trains the odd taxi at 2 - 4am (not), no cinema in Donegal Town, absolutely terrible!

Decadent

Just a point for the mods - the way this thread has progressed from talking about a sheebeen and then onto a lad dying and then on to 15 to 18 year-old drinking is a little dodgy.

Gardai visited the premises and brought no charges or found anything that required the premises closure.

blue shimmering

Decadent wrote: »

Just a point for the mods - the way this thread has progressed from talking about a sheebeen and then onto a lad dying and then on to 15 to 18 year-old drinking is a little dodgy.

Gardai visited the premises and brought no charges or found anything that required the premises closure.

Why do you think this is dodgy? I think we need to bring these things out in the open so that parents in particular are aware of what is going on! The boy has passed away and as yet there is no results from his post-mortum, I would say only the family will be made aware of the findings until the inquest - and rightly so!

My take on all of this is that young people are not aware of the dangers of going to private parties, I heard of this place and was wondering if others had heard of it or had been in it!

kc66

This is hilarious I think. From http://www.independent.ie/national-news/battle-lines-drawn-at-bog-bar-1321193.html

By ANITA GUIDERA
Wednesday March 19 2008

A LOCAL authority has taken action to shut down an alleged shebeen, deep in the hills of Donegal.
The infamous 'bog hotel', situated in the Bluestack mountains near Frosses, in the south west of the county, has been labelled as an unauthorised development by Donegal County Council.
The council has threatened owner Patsy Brogan with court proceedings that could end in fines of up to €12m and two years in jail if he refuses to comply with an order to remove a bar and lounge from a shed on his property.
It also demands that he remove old cars, caravan wrecks and lorry parts which the council says add up to the operation of an illegal scrap yard.
Mr Brogan, who has insisted that he is not running a commercial bar and it is not a shebeen, said he won't be removing it.
He describes it as a private facility he shares with friends and he has denied claims that he charges for drink, although some visitors are known to have left "donations" in a large jar.
"I'm not doing anything illegal. They will have to shoot me to get rid of the bar," he said.
Mr Brogan added that he is trying to clean up the yard and that council officials have conceded he had made progress.
Wrecks
He said one of the wrecks he has been ordered to move is an uninhabitable caravan that is the council's own property. It was provided as a temporary home.
The council notice instructs him to return the shed bar to its original state. But Mr Brogan insists he built it as a playroom for his children and, when they reached their teens, added a disco facility.
He says the bar that he built in the same shed as the disco, although up to pub standard, is no different to private bars in other homes.
He has not been prosecuted because gardai say they cannot produce evidence that drink is being sold.
There is a "barmaid" -- a 28-year-old Polish woman, Daria Weiske -- whom the 70-year-old Mr Brogan says is his girlfriend, although she laughs off the claim.
The council notice was pinned to the door of Mr Brogan's home on January 29. When officials called him a couple of weeks later he claimed he had not seen the notice, so a copy was sent to him along with a photocopy of a photograph of a garda standing beside it on the date of the original delivery.
The notice is served under the same law that provides for the prosecution of large corporations for breaches of planning regulations. Conviction could result in a maximum penalty of €1,904.61 and six months jail. If a prosecution is conducted in a higher court, the maximum penalty could be €12.69m and two years in jail.
The "bog hotel" earned its nickname from its remote location and its owner's readiness to serve drink to callers, no matter what the time.
It earned widespread public attention when it was discovered to be the last place visited by a young man who died later the same day in January after a night of partying.
Gardai have ruled out any link between his death and his visit to the 'bog hotel'.
- ANITA GUIDERA