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Government introduces Postcodes in Ireland..?
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Although I like the idea behind the PON system, I agree with the posters above who said that the use of both 5 and S, 1 and I, 0 and O etc could cause confusion, and I think it would have been better if, when using numeric codes, numbers that can look like letters, or vice versa, should not have been used. Because codes can be written by people with sloppy handwriting, or by computers and printing equipment with Sans Serif typefaces.
I s'pose its too late to change it now though.
Look on the bright side SeanW and see the market possibilities. have a look at the WEB S1TE that GAR YDBH mentioned - ww.ticode.ie - that gives out the unusual names. love some of them. My favourite is C0W PAT5 which is right in the middle of a field - very accurate! Why don't we have some of these? You could have some vanity/funny ones for sale - B1G DAWG, THE 5K1D, MRS R1CH, ALL FA1R, THE BE5T, CAS TLEG. The politicians would love it - HAW HEES, BER T1E1, G1L M0RE, SIN FE1N. Just put them over the right spot and you're LAU GHIN. You could make a FOR TUNE. Just don't sell or give out the ones that might cause 0FF ENCE.
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Look on the bright side SeanW and see the market possibilities. have a look at the WEB S1TE that GAR YDBH mentioned - ww.ticode.ie - that gives out the unusual names. love some of them. My favourite is C0W PAT5 which is right in the middle of a field - very accurate! Why don't we have some of these? You could have some vanity/funny ones for sale - B1G DAWG, THE 5K1D, MRS R1CH, ALL FA1R, THE BE5T, CAS TLEG. The politicians would love it - HAW HEES, BER T1E1, G1L M0RE, SIN FE1N. Just put them over the right spot and you're LAU GHIN. You could make a FOR TUNE. Just don't sell or give out the ones that might cause 0FF ENCE.
That's why I have been prepared to spend time on here answering questions about PON Codes as unlike what you are referring to above - they were thought through and are a serious offering;- already field tested on Garmin devices and ready for the next step!0 -
That's why I have been prepared to spend time on here answering questions about PON Codes as unlike what you are referring to above - they were thought through and are a serious offering;- already field tested on Garmin devices and ready for the next step!
Garydbh - you make it sound like having to post on here is some kind of imposition on you and that you've better things to be doing with your time. You know it's a voluntary discussion board so you don't have to answer any questions. people choose to come on here and get involved and promote their thoughts on postcodes - there's no obligation on you to respond.
I think the above is worth considering - it might be one way of marketing the idea of post codes to people. But just because of these word-codes you say the other system is not a serious offering - that seems a bit dismissive since they're attractive to some and relatively easy to fix or avoid if you don't want them, according to what you've said about your own code.
I think having a flexible code so that you can adapt it for different purposes - not just limit it for navigation/direction-finding - would be ideal. There are ways of doing this no doubt, but you'd have to start from scratch in working out how to create the code - but it's an interesting challenge.0 -
Garydbh - you make it sound like having to post on here is some kind of imposition on you and that you've better things to be doing with your time. You know it's a voluntary discussion board so you don't have to answer any questions. people choose to come on here and get involved and promote their thoughts on postcodes - there's no obligation on you to respond.
I think the above is worth considering - it might be one way of marketing the idea of post codes to people. But just because of these word-codes you say the other system is not a serious offering - that seems a bit dismissive since they're attractive to some and relatively easy to fix or avoid if you don't want them, according to what you've said about your own code.
I think having a flexible code so that you can adapt it for different purposes - not just limit it for navigation/direction-finding - would be ideal. There are ways of doing this no doubt, but you'd have to start from scratch in working out how to create the code - but it's an interesting challenge.
What?.......you are joking!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Garybabes - No prior knowledge? Background and expertise? In GPS? Absolutely none. Well I own a satnav if that counts.
However, I can read stuff and understand it. And arrive at a point of view. Or provide a summary of what I've read. Much of the information for that came from your good self that you posted on here, as well as other posters and their views. That's what this is - a discussion board. No one is claiming to be God and know everything. I'm certainly not.
Stating that the govt is going to make up its mind soon isnt that difficult a call to make since they have said so in media reports which you posted here on the discussion board. Or they mightn't. Waddya want - a soothsayer? I only do Delphic predictions.
Postcodes are not rocket science, so it's not difficult to understand what's been written on here. You take existing geographic information and you turn it into a code. You design that code so that it's fit for purpose. Eureka! - what's so difficult about that to understand or have expertise in?
Some people wanted to know more on here. What did you do? You posted up even more information to explain it to people here in glorious detail. Now everyone understands the issues, what's involved, what the challenges are, and even some of the solutions, and your opinions on them all. I now know more about postcodes than I ever thought I would in a lifetime thanks mainly to your posts on here.
Who am I offering counsel to on here? (I presume you meant counsel not council.) Hardly yourself, as you say, you're the expert and you've spent two years on this. Everyone else? That'd be an audience of two at the last count.
You think I'm offering insight? I'm flattered you would say so, thanks. [I'll come back to that.]
I didn't actually say that I was going to 'post research into the benefits of proposed systems'. So I've no arguments to support that. Nor need for them. I said I had "done a bit of research on both sites comparing what they can do from user's point of view." Not judgemental, simply reading and collating the information as presented on the websites about the two systems. It's other people who can make the judgement on what's there.
In advance of me doing that, can I can offer you some insight or advice?
Knowing wood from trees.
You're too burned into this spellings issue. Not sure what article you're referring to about moving addresses, but anyway the point is that it's a resolvable issue. You presumably identified the same issue in your system, and took steps to avoid it as you discovered them - the same thing can be done by restricting letters and numbers in particular places like you said you've done. If that's your only problem with it, fine - you've made your point.
What you fail to recognise is if a company is developing a project that is at Beta stage - as the ticode site says - then it's inevitable that you make changes as you go along as you get feedback.
You said that you've done the same thing yourself with your site. You've been told your form filling was tedious, so you say you're getting rid of it for the next stage of your website. No one is saying that your site is useless because there's a complex and time-consuming form to fill out.
Something else to think about related to the issue you've said about ticode code characters creating confusion about places.
What about the people who said you have included confusing characters like 1 and I or 5 and S in your code. Some people might think or say that the code is useless because of that and that it's not a 'serious offer'. Is that fair?
You maintain that it's not an issue because people will use capital letters when writing them. Except, those same people might counter that the numeral 1 and capital I look very similar when written. You then provided an example to perfectly illustrate the point people were making.
You said - in previous post - that K15 is in Co. Galway and K1S is in Co. Roscommon. You want people to remember this, all the time? You can't presume users are going to know, remember or even care about the rules of how the code is created.
Some people might argue that it's a substantial flaw in a code to include both as separate characters. If a user is going to tell this particular code to someone, they won't necessarily give the address - they mightn't even know it - and you end up sending them to Galway instead of Roscommon! Whatever you might think, that has huge potential for confusion amongst users.
Would it be fair of me to say the code is not a 'serious offer' whilst it remains like that?
Or if I am going to do comparisons between systems I would hope that you would accept that any proposal which determines a code based on one position and that code can be interpreted to mean somewhere else would not be acceptable. And there's no point in saying that you could change if it did not suit - otherwise why base it on position in the first place?
Or even imagine if someone said that on this thread there has already been much discussion on the merits of several proposals and I think they all have significant merits above a system with a Post Code that sends you to two different places in the Country depending on how you read it!
You know what? You might be right. I think I should charge for all this counsel and insight.
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